Original Wattley Turquoise strian? [Archive]

Poco

11-20-2012, 09:55 AM

Vern had some earlier this year do know if he sold them or was growing them out. You can send him an email. He closed his hatchery during the summer/fall.

http://archersdiscus.com/discus_for_sale_19.html?frm_data1=1&frm_data1_type=large#

MGKelly

11-20-2012, 01:05 PM

Vern doesn't have any available at this time, I'm not even sure he ships to the US.

thanks, J

FWC

11-20-2012, 02:13 PM

I have myself a wattley turq. Its a stunning fish. Good luck on your search !!

Poco

11-20-2012, 02:53 PM

Vern doesn't have any available at this time, I'm not even sure he ships to the US.

thanks, J

There are three people I know have pairs, Vern, Rick and Moon (Joe). You can check with Joe but I don't think he have any fry either.

Moon

11-20-2012, 05:46 PM

I have a pair that I got from Dale Jordan (Vern got some at the same time). They are a little stunted but real nice colours. Trying to spawn them. The fertility is very low (might try Viagra lol). They spawn intermitently but eat the fry when they hatch. I'll keep trying. Lots of patience needed.

nc0gnet0

11-20-2012, 06:00 PM

Altum Nut

11-20-2012, 06:02 PM

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I have a pair that I got from Dale Jordan (Vern got some at the same time). They are a little stunted but real nice colours. Trying to spawn them. The fertility is very low (might try Viagra lol). They spawn intermitently but eat the fry when they hatch. I'll keep trying. Lots of patience needed.

I have some fry growing out...but as Moon suggested they are not growing as we would like. i have some 3 inchers born back in March 2012. These will also not be of good size but have very nice color.
I think it's 18 or 19 plus years this line has been going????

By the way...welcome back Joe(Moon)

...Ralph

Moon

11-20-2012, 08:31 PM

Thanks Ralph. We had a good time at the OCA. Picked up some Stendker flachens to add to my blue collection.
Rick. I'll try to take some pics during the weekend.
Dale got the original Wattley strain from some guy in Japan. He did mention the name buy escapes me. He spent quite a while searching for this particular strain.

MGKelly

11-20-2012, 08:57 PM

Thanks for the quick replies and pics, hopefully some will become available soon!
I always loved the original Wattley turquoise strain.

CliffsDiscus

11-20-2012, 09:56 PM

Thanks for the quick replies and pics, hopefully some will become available soon!
I always loved the original Wattley turquoise strain.

I have the original Wattley but they have not spawn in a year, maybe its the end, time to retire. Dr.J also has the Wattley, he is in New York.

Cliff

nc0gnet0

11-20-2012, 10:10 PM

Dale got the original Wattley strain from some guy in Japan. He did mention the name buy escapes me. He spent quite a while searching for this particular strain

Wantanabe correct?

Rick

MGKelly

11-20-2012, 10:27 PM

Dr. J who's that? is that his full username? thanks, J

I have the original Wattley but they have not spawn in a year, maybe its the end, time to retire. Dr.J also has the Wattley, he is in New York.

Cliff

Moon

11-20-2012, 10:28 PM

Wantanabe correct?

Rick
I think so.

CliffsDiscus

11-20-2012, 11:59 PM

Dr. J who's that? is that his full username? thanks, J

Dr. J. is a client of Jack Wattley, he was selling his 17 generation Wattley.

Cliff

MGKelly

11-21-2012, 12:05 AM

OK thanks, how can i contact DR. J?

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QUOTE=CliffsDiscus;950138]Dr. J. is a client of Jack Wattley, he was selling his 17 generation Wattley.

Cliff[/QUOTE]

Trier20

11-21-2012, 12:08 AM

You could buy a couple raffle tickets too ;)

CliffsDiscus

11-21-2012, 12:13 AM

OK thanks, how can i contact DR. J?

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QUOTE=CliffsDiscus;950138]Dr. J. is a client of Jack Wattley, he was selling his 17 generation Wattley.

Cliff[/QUOTE]

Jack Wattley as I heard kept a client list, his business is now run by Gabe Posada, you might want to check with him.

Cliff

Poco

11-21-2012, 12:31 AM

Jack Wattley as I heard kept a client list, his business is now run by Gabe Posada, you might want to check with him.

Cliff

I believe they didn't continue with the original Wattley Turq.

MGKelly

11-21-2012, 12:43 AM

thanks Cliff, I started this post as a last resort, I've already been in contact with both Vern and Gabe.

Jack Wattley as I heard kept a client list, his business is now run by Gabe Posada, you might want to check with him.

Cliff[/QUOTE]

MGKelly

11-21-2012, 12:46 AM

buy a raffle for what?

You could buy a couple raffle tickets too ;)

Poco

11-21-2012, 12:48 AM

buy a raffle for what?

For this

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?101314-NADA-Fall-Raffle!-Discus-for-the-Holidays!

Trier20

11-21-2012, 12:48 AM

In the NADA thread they are doing a raffle of Wattely strain fish. Turqs and cobalt a I think. Hit the what's new button and scroll till you see the NADA raffle.

MGKelly

11-21-2012, 01:02 AM

I'll pass on the raffle, but thanks!

In the NADA thread they are doing a raffle of Wattely strain fish. Turqs and cobalt a I think. Hit the what's new button and scroll till you see the NADA raffle.

Alfredo Llecha

11-21-2012, 01:16 AM

I barely remember the Wattley original Cobalt had 4 or 5 bars, I think 4.

Eddie

11-21-2012, 11:54 PM

Watanabe has Wattley turqs and Schmidt Focke's line as well. Maybe Kraig will bring in another shipment from him in the future.

Moon

11-22-2012, 10:23 PM

I was talking to Deiter Untergasser during the NADA convention. He still has the Schmidt Focke line. However he does not ship but sells to LFS.

MGKelly

11-22-2012, 10:38 PM

Thanks, I’ll keep my eyes and ears open I’m sure something will turn up. I also sent a few e-mails waiting for response.

MGKelly

11-25-2012, 09:09 PM

Still looking, I'll keep the tank space open :) please let me know if some come available :) maybe just in time for Christmas:D
It's odd that no one in the US has maintained the stain, I guess it's out with the old and in with new.

thanks, Joe

Kingdom Come Discus

11-26-2012, 11:00 PM

Watanabe has Wattley turqs and Schmidt Focke's line as well. Maybe Kraig will bring in another shipment from him in the future.
I have one Wattley original from the Wantanabe shipment. The fish doesn't have the best shape but the color is awesome.

[QUOTE=nc0gnet0;950098]Wantanabe correct?

Rick[/QUOT E]
Rick, Dale Jordan told me last year his Wattley Strain did not come from Watanabe. He wouldn't tell me who in Japan they came from.

Alfredo Llecha

11-28-2012, 10:06 PM

It's odd that no one in the US has maintained the stain, I guess it's out with the old and in with new.

My experience, my first discus were Wattley cobalts and pandas, but I sold them all and bought new amazing strains from Thailand, from Kitti Panahiti. That´s life. lol

MGKelly

11-30-2012, 02:56 PM

My first discus were Wattley turquoise 25 years ago and remember the amazing discus from Hong Kong at about the same time. Also remember hormone treatment was common back then to enhance color, especially the reds. That's not the case today, but the Wattley were exceptional back then!

My experience, my first discus were Wattley cobalts and pandas, but I sold them all and bought new amazing strains from Thailand, from Kitti Panahiti. That´s life. lol

Alfredo Llecha

11-30-2012, 03:03 PM

My first discus were Wattley turquoise 25 years ago and remember the amazing discus from Hong Kong at about the same time. Also remember hormone treat was common back then to enhance color, especially the reds.

Especially the blues!!! With testosterone. There is not hormone for the reds, just carotenes.

Brokenrack

11-30-2012, 03:57 PM

Hormone treatment is the rule today still.

MGKelly

11-30-2012, 04:30 PM

I believe testosterone enhances all color, don't remember the blues except for Wattley's and Schmidt-Focke.
Then again all i had access to were a books and a few breeders.

Especially the blues!!! With testosterone. There is not hormone for the reds, just carotenes.

Moon

11-30-2012, 04:57 PM

I too got some turqs directly from Jack back in the early eighties.

MGKelly

11-30-2012, 05:05 PM

I'm jealous because it looks you Canadians have all the Wattley stock and won't give us any back, LOL

I too got some turqs directly from Jack back in the early eighties.

Moon

11-30-2012, 05:28 PM

You are welcome have some when my pair decide to raise their fry.

MGKelly

11-30-2012, 05:41 PM

That would be great Moon, do the fry hatch? I have a pair that are great parents. :)

You are welcome have some when my pair decide to raise their fry.

Moon

11-30-2012, 06:49 PM

The fertilization is poor. Only a few hatch and because of this the parents eat the wrigglers as soon as they hatch.

Brokenrack

11-30-2012, 09:56 PM

The fertilization is poor. Only a few hatch and because of this the parents eat the wrigglers as soon as they hatch.
Drop them in on another batch.

MGKelly

12-02-2012, 08:23 PM

I'm planning a trip to Ontario in February/March. Hopefully you guys will have some of your Wattley's available.

Moon

12-02-2012, 09:44 PM

Let's hope so.

Discus-Hans

12-02-2012, 10:29 PM

My first discus were Wattley turquoise 25 years ago and remember the amazing discus from Hong Kong at about the same time. Also remember hormone treatment was common back then to enhance color, especially the reds. That's not the case today, but the Wattley were exceptional back then!

25 years ago, than you almost had probably the last Discus bred by Mr. Jack. Think he stopped breeding more as 20 years ago.

Hans

MGKelly

12-02-2012, 10:51 PM

Hans, I ordered directly from Jack, who helped acclimate them when they arrived.
All good things eventually come to an end, BUT thank goodness we still have the Stenker Brilliant turquoise one of my favorites!

J

Chicago Discus

12-02-2012, 11:30 PM

IMO I think the Wattley turquoise look very similar to the Stendker colbalts........Josie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJIlbPUYh_0

MGKelly

12-02-2012, 11:37 PM

That an age old question, "which can first, the Wattley or the Stenker?"
I personally think the egg came first, but what do i know.

J

Chicago Discus

12-02-2012, 11:38 PM

That an age old question, "which can first, the Wattley or the Stenker?"
I personally think the egg came first, but what do i know.

J

+1 +1 im with ya LOL....josie

Cosgrovb

12-02-2012, 11:39 PM

Are those beauties Flachen or Cobalts?

Chicago Discus

12-02-2012, 11:49 PM

Are those beauties Flachen or Cobalts?

Colbalts........Josie

Cosgrovb

12-03-2012, 12:21 AM

For anyone asking themselves, What did Wattley's Turqs look like, here is my book report.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/03/6ysatera.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/03/upusuhe8.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/03/usasasa3.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/03/u9e2uteg.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/03/e9a7e4yj.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/03/ajume5az.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/03/muta9uny.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/03/ugusezar.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/03/py4u5use.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/03/8y7arada.jpg

Discus-Hans

12-03-2012, 03:35 AM

That an age old question, "which can first, the Wattley or the Stenker?"
I personally think the egg came first, but what do i know.

J

You know, that's a great question. You know, you never know, when I found Stendker I was already for a while into the Discus. Father Stendker was never a guy who wanted the spot lights, he did his thing, sold to stores and whole sale. Later (when I grew up lol lol) I started to put things together. Saw the "big shots" showing of their Discus and thought ....... wait a second......... those are Stendker's.

One time I asked one of the "Big Shots" in those days, hey tell me..... those look very much like the Stendkers............. reaction: uhhhu, but heyyy listen, I paid for them, they are in my tanks so they are now ..... XXXXXX Discus. That was the first time I thought: get out of here.....

And you know what, that happened a lot in those days, I paid for them, they are in my tanks so they are now XXXXX Discus. Let me make this even worse, it still happens lol lol lol

Hans

PS remember father Heinz Stendker started breeding almost 50 years ago.

TNT77

12-03-2012, 03:55 AM

You know, that's a great question. You know, you never know, when I found Stendker I was already for a while into the Discus. Father Stendker was never a guy who wanted the spot lights, he did his thing, sold to stores and whole sale. Later (when I grew up lol lol) I started to put things together. Saw the "big shots" showing of their Discus and thought ....... wait a second......... those are Stendker's.

One time I asked one of the "Big Shots" in those days, hey tell me..... those look very much like the Stendkers............. reaction: uhhhu, but heyyy listen, I paid for them, they are in my tanks so they are now ..... XXXXXX Discus. That was the first time I thought: get out of here.....

And you know what, that happened a lot in those days, I paid for them, they are in my tanks so they are now XXXXX Discus. Let me make this even worse, it still happens lol lol lol

Hans

PS remember father Heinz Stendker started breeding almost 50 years ago.
Sad that people do that. But some people will take credit for anything. And I had boss quite a few years ago that did that with horses. She ended up in jail lol.

Discus Origins

12-03-2012, 05:21 AM

25 years ago, than you almost had probably the last Discus bred by Mr. Jack. Think he stopped breeding more as 20 years ago.

Hans

Made me dig in my old storage box Hans...this is one of my most prized possessions. Thats me (with a lot more hair lol) and Jack in his garage back in 1994 when I picked up my fish. He just called the turquoise strain 'high fin', no fancy other names at that time. That's the envelope he put my certificate and stamped it with his chinese name for me. We chatted for about two hours about all his adventures and I visited him several times after just to shoot the breeze. Just a great guy who didn't mind sharing any of his 'secrets'.

http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb453/m3h3c3/1354526017.jpg

MGKelly

12-03-2012, 06:20 AM

Hans for a second I thought this was an autobiography. LOL

You know, that's a great question. You know, you never know, when I found Stendker I was already for a while into the Discus. Father Stendker was never a guy who wanted the spot lights, he did his thing, sold to stores and whole sale. Later (when I grew up lol lol) I started to put things together. Saw the "big shots" showing of their Discus and thought ....... wait a second......... those are Stendker's.

One time I asked one of the "Big Shots" in those days, hey tell me..... those look very much like the Stendkers............. reaction: uhhhu, but heyyy listen, I paid for them, they are in my tanks so they are now ..... XXXXXX Discus. That was the first time I thought: get out of here.....

And you know what, that happened a lot in those days, I paid for them, they are in my tanks so they are now XXXXX Discus. Let me make this even worse, it still happens lol lol lol

Hans

PS remember father Heinz Stendker started breeding almost 50 years ago.

Discus-Hans

12-03-2012, 06:22 AM

Made me dig in my old storage box Hans...this is one of my most prized possessions. Thats me (with a lot more hair lol) and Jack in his garage back in 1994 when I picked up my fish. He just called the turquoise strain 'high fin', no fancy other names at that time. That's the envelope he put my certificate and stamped it with his chinese name for me. We chatted for about two hours about all his adventures and I visited him several times after just to shoot the breeze. Just a great guy who didn't mind sharing any of his 'secrets'.

http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb453/m3h3c3/1354526017.jpg

Mr. Wattley was and always will be one of the nicest guys in the Discus World in my book.

Met him a few times at shows, but he probably doesn't even remember who I'm lol lol

Hans

MGKelly

12-03-2012, 06:23 AM

By today’s standard the original Wattley turquoise are lackluster, but they have sentimental value to me. It kind of brings me back to another time. This website is great and I’ve purchased fish from Kenny, Hans and Dan Espinosa. Someone on another thread mentioned there are better options with the currently selection of discus compared to the original Wattley strain and agree. Wattley’s fish attracted me to the hobby in the beginning and now only a few have kept the strain alive. Hopefully I can find some and keep it going another 5, 10 or 20 years. Then again by that time they’ll be a even greater selection of options.

J

Tommo

12-03-2012, 08:00 AM

Here is a poor picture I took of some of the youngers I'd kept back from a spawn for future breeding. The pic was taken in the early 1980s (I think) long before digital cameras - used a cheap 'instamatic' film camera and scanned it years later.

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There are 10 fish that were grown on in this 48" x 18" x 15" tank. Note I'm not one for wiping down all the glass on an aquarium, only the front and bottom. These fish received a maximum of 33% water change per day and were fed on a basic diet of beef heart and flake.

As far as I can remember the parents were from Germany. Don't you think that they look very similar to some of the pics above?

CliffsDiscus

12-03-2012, 12:30 PM

That an age old question, "which can first, the Wattley or the Stenker?"
I personally think the egg came first, but what do i know.e

J

You have to go back to the 70's, Jack Wattley, MacGrabel(powderblues), Lenny's(Albino). The original Wattley were already on the market back then, in the late
80's Jack came out with the Coerula(not the original but still from Jack). Aquarium Rio in Germany were selling Schmidt Focke Discus. In the early 90 there was
a export (Murisaki) that sent one thousand U.S.Discus each month to Japan.

Cliff

Moon

12-03-2012, 01:47 PM

MGKelly

12-03-2012, 02:36 PM

Moon, I really like them too!

http://www.terracreature.com/graphics/wattley_nice.jpg

I would not go as far to call them lackluster. They don't have the size and shape of the present day discus. But the colours are awsome. The red eyes against the turq body really sets them apart. Even compared to todays discus.

Jeff O

12-03-2012, 02:46 PM

Its a shame that they are so hard to come by now. The wattley Turquoise where some of the first that really caught my attention when I was book crazy. I spent a good while looking for them also and was never succesful. Beautiful original Strain.
-Jeff

Moon

12-04-2012, 07:54 PM

I am waiting to get a flash for my camera for Christmas. I will post pics of mine when I have a decent flash to take some pics.

MGKelly

12-04-2012, 08:04 PM

Can't wait to see them! wish we didn't have to wait till Christmas:)

I am waiting to get a flash for my camera for Christmas. I will post pics of mine when I have a decent flash to take some pics.

Jeff O

12-04-2012, 08:08 PM

Can't wait to see them! wish we didn't have to wait till Christmas:)

+1

Moon

12-04-2012, 08:18 PM

I do have some pics. They really don't show their colours well. Be patient guys. I want to post some good quality pics of my pets.

khanhquoc

12-05-2012, 11:33 AM

Can't wait to see them! wish we didn't have to wait till Christmas:)
Welcome You! I think you find fish in alibaba.com, in which lucky tropical fish, you will see the one you want to find.

Chicago Discus

12-05-2012, 11:59 AM

Welcome You! I think you find fish in alibaba.com, in which lucky tropical fish, you will see the one you want to find.

Lord have mercy..... What are you talking about?

Moon

12-05-2012, 12:56 PM

Lol. Noooo idea

Second Hand Pat

12-05-2012, 01:09 PM

Googled alibaba.com and appears to be a database of suppliers of various stuff. Nothing really for fish.

Jeff O

12-05-2012, 02:18 PM

http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/discus-fish.html
Here is the website hes talking about :)

MGKelly

12-05-2012, 03:37 PM

Unless I can see current photo's of specimens in stock and feel comfortable that's what I want, i wouldn't buy the fish.
There's a lot of counterfeit Wattley’s on the market! LOL!

Welcome You! I think you find fish in alibaba.com, in which lucky tropical fish, you will see the one you and want to find.

nc0gnet0

12-05-2012, 04:28 PM

So, do the old school Wantanabe turqs have wattely genetics or were they from the Schmidt Focke's line?

Poco

12-05-2012, 04:44 PM

Can't wait to see them! wish we didn't have to wait till Christmas:)

I am one of the lucky ones to have see all the three pairs here in Ontario in flesh and trust me they look great, a little towards the smaller size may be due to a lot if inbreeding. I think Vern did cross his back to a wild to introduce some fresh blood but not 100% sure.

khanhquoc

12-05-2012, 06:18 PM

You just right .. O Jeff, Thanks.
You like children Albino-Turquoise, so I want to take you to alibaba.com so that they introduce human Turquoise Lucky Tropical Fish based in New york

Chicago Discus

12-05-2012, 07:52 PM

You just right .. O Jeff, Thanks.
You like children Albino-Turquoise, so I want to take you to alibaba.com so that they introduce human Turquoise Lucky Tropical Fish based in New york

sometimes I read things a few times because I don't get.....it didn't work this time I'm lost :p..........Josie

Jeff O

12-05-2012, 07:57 PM

sometimes I read things a few times because I don't get.....it didn't work this time I'm lost :p..........Josie
+1

nc0gnet0

12-05-2012, 07:58 PM

I have always wanted one of these......Thanks!!!!

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/509806731/plastic_fish_green_Discus_fish.html

Kingdom Come Discus

12-05-2012, 08:10 PM

I can see if Alex will let some of those go for this next shipment Rick. The price may be out of your range though!!!!

I have always wanted one of these......Thanks!!!!

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/509806731/plastic_fish_green_Discus_fish.html

I had a true Wattley/Peruvian cross in the late 80's. I haven't seen color like it possessed since. The shape was better and it was huge and the color was similar to this.

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx287/thebisonman/DrEduardSchmidt-FockeColorVarietiesofDiscusTFHSept1982Issue319Page 17b.jpg

Eddie

12-07-2012, 09:02 AM

So, do the old school Wantanabe turqs have wattely genetics or were they from the Schmidt Focke's line?

He has both lines.;)

Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk

nc0gnet0

12-07-2012, 09:14 AM

He has both lines.

Yes I know this :) I was referring(implied)to the ones that were given away here on simply (which I won). I couldn't remember if they were Watley or Schmidt Fockes, or a combination of both. Recently I have had a pair form from the trio.

Rick

Eddie

12-07-2012, 09:15 AM

Kingdom Come Discus

12-11-2012, 08:52 PM

Yes I know this :) I was referring(implied)to the ones that were given away here on simply (which I won). I couldn't remember if they were Watley or Schmidt Fockes, or a combination of both. Recently I have had a pair form from the trio.

Rick
Not sure Rick if you are reffering to the Red Turqs you which came from me. These were not from Wattley or Focke stock. Watanabe's Red Turquoise Strains are breed by him using wild stock. I think he told me he doesn't go out further than F-4. After that he goes back to a wild caught fish!

nc0gnet0

12-11-2012, 09:16 PM

Ahh, I see! Weren't they called Old School something or other.....can't remember.

Rick

Kingdom Come Discus

12-11-2012, 11:47 PM

I went back a looked and yes Rick you are right they had the Old German label on them. So I went to my skype history. And found this from Watanabe.
I get RT from germany 6 years ago
[5/28/2012 10:30:24 AM] SHUICHI WATANABE: I have inbreeding that and cross wild
[5/28/2012 10:30:40 AM] SHUICHI WATANABE: I remake RT, cross wild.

He said the breeder from Germany was shlten. Not sure I understand who shlten is?

CliffsDiscus

12-26-2012, 06:43 PM

He said the breeder from Germany was shlten. Not sure I understand who shlten is?[/QUOTE]

Not sure of the spelling but it might be the reverend Discus breeder.

Cliff

Kingdom Come Discus

12-26-2012, 06:52 PM

I am sure the spelling is the problem here Cliff. May I ask who the reverend discus breeder is? I hope you have been doing well!!!

He said the breeder from Germany was shlten. Not sure I understand who shlten is?

Not sure of the spelling but it might be the reverend Discus breeder.

Cliff[/QUOTE]

Discus-Hans

12-26-2012, 08:08 PM

He said the breeder from Germany was shlten. Not sure I understand who shlten is?

Not sure of the spelling but it might be the reverend Discus breeder.

Cliff[/QUOTE]

Closest I can come with that is maybe Schlingmann, a breeder who did pretty will and all the sudden was selling his Discus VERY cheap, word was he got hit.
But this was about 30 years ago,

Hans

CliffsDiscus

12-27-2012, 03:57 PM

Ok, after looking around the name came up as Reverend Pfarrer Schulten, thought he stopped breeding Discus ages ago. Breeder of striated and solid Discus. They called
his Discus Schulten's Turquoise. Could it be that Watanabe left a couple of letters out?

Cliff

Eddie

12-27-2012, 08:34 PM

mee

08-15-2015, 02:49 AM

I think this thread deserves an update.
HFSB Watley - High Fin Solid Blue Watley.
History: Sadaki Hachiya procured original Watley Coerulea 25 years ago. He has worked with the strain ever since.
These are now 75-80% Coerulea and about 25% German cobalt. I did ask Mr Sadaki once where the Germans came
from but I forgot. I will be seeing him soon and update the information when available. His focus was clearly to keep
these Watley, but with a extremely nice shape. You can follow my thread on
these here http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?108715-Jack-Watley-Hi-Fin-Coerulea-X-German-Colbalt&highlight=watley
, or I am more than happy to discus them here.

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MGKelly

05-28-2017, 09:55 PM

I was lucky to get some of these Wattley Turq's from Vern Archer about a years ago. I bought them at quarter size and it 110242took me 2.5 hours to get them through customs. they are 5 inches now. pics were taken with my Ipad so forgive the quality.

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Filip

05-29-2017, 08:29 AM

Interesting strain and colours MgKelly .
They look smaller than 5 " on this photos and they are yet to colour up I guess ?

Moon

05-29-2017, 01:08 PM

Wow this thread is still going after all these years.
Glad you were able to get the fry from Vern. Hope they do well for you.
I'm out of discus and fish for that matter but still check in the odd times.

MGKelly

05-29-2017, 01:24 PM

I guess it depends how you measure, the largest is a little over 5" nose to end of tail. Vern's pair weren't large fish either and he was working to develop a larger strain.
I hope they color up also, these are offspring from Vern's pair which were fully colored.

Interesting strain and colours MgKelly .
They look smaller than 5 " on this photos and they are yet to colour up I guess ?

MGKelly

05-29-2017, 01:25 PM

Thanks Moon, I hope I can eventually generate some fry.

Wow this thread is still going after all these years.
Glad you were able to get the fry from Vern. Hope they do well for you.
I'm out of discus and fish for that matter but still check in the odd times.

Disgirl

05-29-2017, 02:05 PM

I think they are beautiful! My first discus, in about 1988, were Wattleys. And they were smaller than the huge discus we see now. But the colors were great. Hope they like my cone well enough to put lots of eggs on it!
Barb

MGKelly

05-29-2017, 02:19 PM

me to Barb, your cones have worked out great for me!

I think they are beautiful! My first discus, in about 1988, were Wattleys. And they were smaller than the huge discus we see now. But the colors were great. Hope they like my cone well enough to put lots of eggs on it!
Barb