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Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 02:14 PM
and getting my first Heckels. :D

ZX10R
02-27-2013, 02:15 PM
Mark got you hook line and sinker ;)

I love heckels can't wait to see some pics when you get them.

Trier20
02-27-2013, 02:15 PM
Mark?

DiscusBR
02-27-2013, 02:24 PM
How many? How big will the tank be? Breeding project?

Heckels, the last frontier left to Pat ...

John_Nicholson
02-27-2013, 02:27 PM
Cool.

-john

DiscusLoverJeff
02-27-2013, 02:29 PM
Good choice Pat. Hope you have great success!

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 02:32 PM
Mark got you hook line and sinker ;)

I love heckels can't wait to see some pics when you get them.

Sean, the heckels got me when I was at Mark's...but I will blame it on Mark.


Mark?

Brandon, Mark is Discus Origins, a sponsor here on simply

ZX10R
02-27-2013, 02:33 PM
Mark?

Mark at Discus Origins sponsor on here

Trier20
02-27-2013, 02:34 PM
Lol I was typing the same time Sean was. What I meant is: You're getting them from Mark?

ChicagoDiscus
02-27-2013, 02:45 PM
Cant wait to see what you get :)....josie

YSS
02-27-2013, 02:53 PM
Good luck, Pat. I have also been considering heckels recently. Do you know if they are more fragile or more robust than browns/blues?

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 02:55 PM
How many? How big will the tank be? Breeding project?

Heckels, the last frontier left to Pat ...

A 40 breeder at first Mauro and only four for now. They are the little guys, about 4 inches or so. Perhaps a future breeding project as these guys are small.


Cool.

-john

Thanks John :)


Good choice Pat. Hope you have great success!

Thanks Jeff

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 02:58 PM
Lol I was typing the same time Sean was. What I meant is: You're getting them from Mark?

Yes Brandon, we were chasing one of them around trying to set it up to have it's picture taken and I decided I liked him.


Cant wait to see what you get :)....josie

Thanks Josie :)

Skip
02-27-2013, 02:59 PM
Sweet!

chaoslite
02-27-2013, 03:04 PM
I am surprised to took you so long....lol Congrats Pat!!

Mishka

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 03:17 PM
Good luck, Pat. I have also been considering heckels recently. Do you know if they are more fragile or more robust than browns/blues?

Thanks Yun, no clue if they are more delicate, some places I have heard yes, other places no harder then other wilds. I will just have to experience this myself. So for now I will treat them like my other wilds vs my F1s, which are in full tap. My wilds are in a tap/RO mix.

Keith Perkins
02-27-2013, 03:20 PM
:) Congrats.

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 03:27 PM
Sweet!

Thanks Skip ;)


I am surprised to took you so long....lol Congrats Pat!!

Mishka

Mishka, lets say heckels for me were an acquired taste. I do not like them at first but they have been slowly growing on me. :)

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 03:28 PM
:) Congrats.

Thanks Keith :)

PAR23
02-27-2013, 03:45 PM
Love the heckles, always have. Can't wait to see the pics.

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 04:04 PM
Love the heckles, always have. Can't wait to see the pics.

Thanks Peter, when I was at Mark's I was in the fence at his place but preselected these two and left the other two up to Mark.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Marks%20Pictures/DSC_1764_zpsb73af76c.jpg

Same fish on the left in the above picture
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Marks%20Pictures/DSC_1765_zpsc0cdbd29.jpg

brewmaster15
02-27-2013, 04:08 PM
Pat,
Heckels are an awesome fish to work with !! You'll do well I am sure. I miss mine alot...If I didn't down size...I would still have them...someday again I will.

-al

PAR23
02-27-2013, 04:13 PM
They are really nice Pat.....Something about them that has always had my admiration.

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 05:58 PM
Pat,
Heckels are an awesome fish to work with !! You'll do well I am sure. I miss mine alot...If I didn't down size...I would still have them...someday again I will.

-al

Thanks Al, who knows. Maybe once these guys are grown (in like a year or two) I will throw them in the big tank with almost pure RO water and we shall see if any magic happens. :D I know....long, long shot but one can dream.

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 05:59 PM
They are really nice Pat.....Something about them that has always had my admiration.

Thanks Peter. Looking forward to working with them.

pcsb23
02-27-2013, 06:28 PM
Nice! :)

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 06:37 PM
Thanks Paul :o

Poco
02-27-2013, 06:37 PM
Awesome Pat! Heckels are my favorites from all the wilds. Good luck with them may be you will break the Heckel code in North America, I believe no one in NA has bred them but I could be wrong too.

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 06:47 PM
Thanks Babar, I do not know either. Either way another long term project. :)

vicdiscus
02-27-2013, 07:36 PM
Awesome Pat! Heckels are my favorites from all the wilds. Good luck with them may be you will break the Heckel code in North America, I believe no one in NA has bred them but I could be wrong too.

I think, In couple of years ago, Someone bred the heckel. He was here.

Bill63SG
02-27-2013, 07:45 PM
I vaugley reading about it.They were using like a 400 gal tank.Congrats,Pat.

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 07:55 PM
Thanks Bill, you think a 1700 gallon pool might help?

Bill63SG
02-27-2013, 07:59 PM
Hell,Ill breed for you in a 1700 pool.

Trier20
02-27-2013, 08:02 PM
Hell,Ill breed for you in a 1700 pool.

............................................... Lol

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 08:08 PM
That's ok Bill, I have already raised my kid. :D

chaoslite
02-27-2013, 08:14 PM
ROFLMAO. Those fish look really nice Pat.

Mishka

Keith Perkins
02-27-2013, 09:51 PM
Hell,Ill breed for you in a 1700 pool.

But not much smaller? :D

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 09:58 PM
But not much smaller? :D

So Bill does not do things in a small way ;)

Keith Perkins
02-27-2013, 10:05 PM
So Bill does not do things in a small way ;)

Think Sea World.

Bill63SG
02-27-2013, 10:14 PM
Small I am not.More like the round mound of sound.

Keith Perkins
02-27-2013, 10:18 PM
Ouch, I heard a Belly Flop.

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 10:56 PM
Ouch, I heard a Belly Flop.

Ouch...good one :D

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 11:01 PM
ROFLMAO. Those fish look really nice Pat.

Mishka

Thanks Mishka

TNT77
02-27-2013, 11:03 PM
Pat I have a huge male 6.5"+ (I believe male) that has been shimmying and pecking at a breeding slate that you are more than welcome to.

Second Hand Pat
02-27-2013, 11:06 PM
A wild male heckel Tara?

TNT77
02-27-2013, 11:17 PM
A wild male heckel Tara?
Yes Pat. :) Not even in ro water. Horney devil I guess. If you are interested I can get you a pic.

Keith Perkins
02-27-2013, 11:55 PM
Why am I picturing Pat recalculating necessary tank capacity for Heckle acquisitions?

Second Hand Pat
02-28-2013, 12:24 AM
Why am I picturing Pat recalculating necessary tank capacity for Heckle acquisitions?

:o

plecocicho
02-28-2013, 10:21 AM
Pat, i hope you succed in being the first american in recent history which has breed pure heckels. And as a women, you receive double points. As far as i have read in german articles, the recipe is this: soft, acid water (but not extrmes as first)+fresh water +live foods. I would recommend, that you first raise them to happy, fat adults and then transfer them to very soft and very acid water (almost pure ro) i a large aquarium. Did you consider making your own pond for contunious supply of live food?

Second Hand Pat
02-28-2013, 11:13 AM
plecocicho, I plan on just growing out the heckels for now and considering maintaining them in a ROP/tap vs a pure tap mix. When they are adults I will cross that bridge. The pond or pool will be a source for live foods naturally over time but I intend to provide the normal foods I feed now and monitor how it goes over time. When the fish are inside for cooler weather the pool will be put away. I do maintain red wiggler colonies for live food currently.

Second Hand Pat
03-02-2013, 07:57 PM
The heckels started eating today and exploring the tank. If I approach them want to go behind the sponge. They are not quite ready for pictures yet but I will take eating and looking good as a start. :)

Trier20
03-02-2013, 11:35 PM
The heckels started eating today and exploring the tank. If I approach them want to go behind the sponge. They are not quite ready for pictures yet but I will take eating and looking good as a start. :)

Glad to hear they are eating Pat! Those are gonna be some lookers for sure!

Ryan
03-03-2013, 10:17 AM
Heckels have always been my favorite wilds, with the reds a close second. Then I saw the Curipera with the heckel-like middle bar and decided those were my dream wilds.

One day when I have a proper fish room with a proper way to filter and store water, wild discus will be mine. Or maybe some F1s from Pat. :D

Second Hand Pat
03-03-2013, 10:34 AM
Ryan, happen to have both of those. I do have a nice Cuipeua with a very heckel like centerbar. If I can help in anyway I would be most happy to. :D

ChicagoDiscus
03-03-2013, 11:45 AM
Pat, your making me want Heckels Thanks :):):)....josie

Second Hand Pat
03-03-2013, 11:47 AM
Happy to help anytime Josie :D

Second Hand Pat
03-17-2013, 10:34 PM
Here are some pictures of the heckels. These are beautiful fish and they have really grown on me. I did lose one to a bacteria infection. Made me sad :( I asked Mark to save me one, well actually two giving me a group of five.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Blue%20Heckels/DSC_1901_zps7ca64029.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Blue%20Heckels/DSC_1875_zps33568326.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Blue%20Heckels/DSC_1878_zpse026c3e4.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Blue%20Heckels/DSC_1877_zps69df87c7.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Blue%20Heckels/DSC_1876_zps0978a832.jpg

neon
03-28-2013, 10:05 PM
I to like the blueface heckels. I had one before I sold my fish before I moved. It was no harder than any other wild.

Second Hand Pat
03-28-2013, 11:40 PM
I to like the blueface heckels. I had one before I sold my fish before I moved. It was no harder than any other wild.

Hi Neon, these are called Demini Blue Heckel so I do not believe they are considered a blueface heckel per say. So far we are getting along just fine :)

chaoslite
03-29-2013, 12:46 AM
I like them Pat. Sorry about the loss though.

Mishka