WangNichols throwback F1's

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http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/***_zps17af940d.jpg

(Most of the small batch of fry are on the back side away from camera.)

[yim11]

Hell yeah

[John_Nicholson]

Oh crap.....

-john

[dadecountyalan]

what strain are u trying to get

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http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wtf6-23-2_zpsb49dc4cf.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wtf6-23-1_zpse67edb96.jpg

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http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wtf7-15_zpse35a73f6.jpg

[Eddie]

Nice fish!

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http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wtf8-11-3_zpsd748d14d.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wtf8-11-2_zps9a3d11ce.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wtf8-11_zpsdda967b5.jpg

[Vieira]

Looking good!


Richard

[Bilbo]

Fat fry

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http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wtf9-2-1_zps38090e89.jpg

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[tomas_ch1]

Rick, not only that I admire your breeding experiments, but also full bellies of Your fishes. Beautiful and healthy fry!

I am really looking forward to see the development and will be attentive student! Phenotype breakdown seems to me wider than one would expect, at least now. I can see signs of white with patterns, but also clear white type (was also second parent bearing white gene? – it does not seems to be the case from picture and no white homozygotes should occur, maybe they will develop some pattern earlier??) and also can see 9 bar fishes and surprisingly something like ghost type in some fry (1. Bar above eye and the last bar)...

Do you have insight in to the origin of these throwback parents? If you could describe the breakdown in details I would appreciate it, but anywayi like it and will watch as they grow out.

You are the treasure for curious guy like me. Thanks

[nc0gnet0]

Do you have insight in to the origin of these throwback parents? If you could describe the breakdown in details I would appreciate it, but anywayi like it and will watch as they grow out.

Male is ARSG x Mercury
Female is Albino San Marah x pb based Snow White

Goal is to Get some Red/White discus with blue coloring on the dorsal region and into the fins. The number of phenotypes is not unexpected, alot of different combinations possible with this second genration cross of two seperate F1's of mine. I am looking for one phenotype in particular, with the others being more of a curiousity than anything.

I dont think the ghost gene is doing much if anything here, and I am not sure either of the parents even carry it. Rather I think the 1/2 face eyebar and the tail bar are the combination of the barless san marah and snow white, almost, but not completely, removing all the bars on a few of the phenotpes (when the pb and SW gene is not present). My guess is these partially bared brown based fry will resemble something simular to a San Marah when grown, time will tell if the ARSG genes give these phenotypes any pattern.

You can also see some sheen on the dorsal region of a few of the white based fish. This should turn to blue as time goes by. Notice the lack of any melanin underneath, this is why I argued so adamatly with you on this issue in the genetics thread.

Rick

[Disgirl]

Rick, I really like them! I see they are still in with the parents. What size tank, how many babies in there? If you don't mind telling that is.
Barb

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Barb,

Its a small batch, maybe 20-25 after I culled some. They ae currently in a 45 cube, parents do not seem stressed in the least so I leave them be as long as I can maintain my 2x a day 90% water changes. When the WQ becomes an issue or the parents act the least bit stress, out they will come.

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http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wtf2_zps52101c8b.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wtf1_zps7fcaca1a.jpg

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http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wangnik2_zpse319d344.jpg
http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wangnik_zps04a2fe2a.jpg
http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wangnik3_zps090e8601.jpg

[pastry]

Always a fan of your creations, Rick. Can't wait to see how these turn out.

[DiscusLoverJeff]

Beautiful job Rick. Love that you think outside the box when you experiment with pairs. The juvies always come out looking good.

[Keith Perkins]

Very interesting creation you have there Rick, congrats. I'd say you achieved your goal quite nicely.

[Kal-El]

Very nice and these are going to be something special as they mature... Great achievement here...

[pastry]

My vote for Rick getting the Mad Scientist Award. Tons of great crazy crosses and always adds some great threads to follow.

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http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/100_2184_zps31548cf9.jpg

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http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wangnichols_zps642a8705.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wangnichols2_zps57178a0e.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/nc0gnet0/wangnichols3_zpsc343ef66.jpg

[zachrabbit15]

Looks to be a successful cross judging by those three shots. Was very curious what they were going to look like when you first posted this cross. Was there any other colors worth mentioning out of it?

[musicmarn1]

thats a really pretty fish, if that had more blue on it id be knocking down your door for some offspring !hehe but great to watch you raise these, no easy job im learning - well simple but not easy maybe? anyway really really love that fish!