Pat's Wild Gallery

[Second Hand Pat]

I got this wild from Mark back in February and it has just blossomed. It is a Pacoval and is a Alenquer region fish like the Cuipeua. I suspect this is a young male based on striations and body shape. It is still growing and not mature yet.

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[Second Hand Pat]

I received this wild from Kraig and he says it is a Cuipeau. It is a mature male and is better then three years of age.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_4158_zpsa31fb523.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/DSC_4158_zpsa31fb523.jpg.html)

[Second Hand Pat]

This little red fish is a Curua, another Alenquer region fish and suspect it is a female based on color, size and shape.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_4162_zps27a4db3e.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/DSC_4162_zps27a4db3e.jpg.html)
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[Northwoods Discus]

Nice, really nice. My tank has no discus, only a few plecos. I miss the discus. I will be going wild when I finally make the move and get set back up. Pat it may be a year or more but when I'm ready I would love to get some fish from you.

[Second Hand Pat]

Bill, if I have some F1s consider it done. I still have to learn to ship but have plenty of mentors who will help. I bet you are missing those flat round fish. Best of luck with moving and getting set back up.
Pat

[Keith Perkins]

Beautiful pictures and subjects. Do you have an idea how old the suspected female is?

[Nick Klimkowski]

Pat they are gorgeous, every time I see your wilds it makes me want to get some.:D

[Allwin]

Stunning fishes/pictures as always.

[NAB]

Oh how I want ones like that.


Someday....

[dirtyplants]

Awesome pictures Pat.
Yes I am on the hunt for wilds, getting them seems to be harder then I imagined. I finally got a hold of John. I will probably choose by pictures so I need referrals.

[Second Hand Pat]

Beautiful pictures and subjects. Do you have an idea how old the suspected female is?

I do not really know Keith. It was mature when I received it.

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat they are gorgeous, every time I see your wilds it makes me want to get some.:D

Thanks Nick :)


Stunning fishes/pictures as always.

Thanks you too Alwin


Oh how I want ones like that.


Someday....

I'm sure you will Nigel :D

[Second Hand Pat]

Awesome pictures Pat.
Yes I am on the hunt for wilds, getting them seems to be harder then I imagined. I finally got a hold of John. I will probably choose by pictures so I need referrals.

Anything Coree, I am sure John can set you up.

[Kirbs]

Absolutely Beautiful! I have made the decision to go Wilds and hope to get there soon! When I do, I hope mine will be as stunning as yours!

[Rudustin]

Wilds are not my deal but you have beautiful fish Pat. Rufus

[rdiscus]

Nice wilds as always

[dirtyplants]

Again Beautiful Pat! I can honestly say that I have some very beautiful discus, and I love the colors and strains, but when I see a wild my body just sighs, something I can not explain.

[Keith Perkins]

...when I see a wild my body just sighs, something I can not explain.

Probably just the brats and beans you had for dinner. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Absolutely Beautiful! I have made the decision to go Wilds and hope to get there soon! When I do, I hope mine will be as stunning as yours!

Thanks Kribs, you might never go back :D


Wilds are not my deal but you have beautiful fish Pat. Rufus

Thanks Rufus, one day you might get the bug.

[dirtyplants]

LOL Kozy you really come up with some interesting images, but looking at my statement and your reply I could not stop laughing.

[Second Hand Pat]

Nice wilds as always

Thanks Ryan, hope your wild pair do something for you soon.


Again Beautiful Pat! I can honestly say that I have some very beautiful discus, and I love the colors and strains, but when I see a wild my body just sighs, something I can not explain.

Thanks Coree, your turn will come.

[Second Hand Pat]

Probably just the brats and beans you had for dinner. :)

Keith, you are ruining this for Coree :o

[Second Hand Pat]

and a few heckels

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I really like this one. Always shows a nice full bar.

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[nc0gnet0]

What are your plans with the heckles Pat? Planning on trying to breed a pair, or shooting for a male heckle x other wild cross?

-Rick

[Discusdude7]

Really really really nice. Especially like the curua

[Second Hand Pat]

Yes to both Rick. ATM I am growing the heckels out as they were sub-adults when I got them. They have grown quite a bit since I have them and are maturing nicely. I think a heckel to any Alenquer region wild (red based) will make a attraction natural cross and there are the three heckel crosses from Tara which could be a potential pairing.

I do realize the heckel to heckel is highly unlikely but hoping the magic Florida water will help...

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?43094-Heckel-Spawn!!

[Second Hand Pat]

The thread I linked in the above post...this is the water parameters under which his heckels spawned under. This is music to my ears as sounds like my situation :D


Hi guys,
First I want say thank you to everyone for the kind words. This event became very exciting for me and mi camera..LOL :D

I will keep posting pictures of them weekly.............

Some of you were asking about the water parameters , ok here they are:

The water parameters at the time of the spawning were pH 6.7, 84ºF and 22µS. Everything started after a 50% water change. My water comes from a well at 900µS, pH 8.5, hardness 12º

This water is processed by my RO system (900GPD) and the result is 22µS with a pH 6.5 and 0.5 Kh and Gh.

Regards,
Alberto

[Second Hand Pat]

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[Second Hand Pat]

Really really really nice. Especially like the curua

Thanks R :D

[Sandy Clay]

Wow Pat, I wanna be like you when I grow up!:bandana:

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow Pat, I wanna be like you when I grow up!:bandana:

Thanks Sandy, this is the way I play with the fish...so goals if you will and a way to see how far my fish will let me go. :)

[Sandy Clay]

Beautiful fish for sure!

[Keith Perkins]

Wow Pat, I wanna be like you when I grow up!:bandana:

Me too, retired.

[Darren's Discus]

Very nice.
Cheers

[vera]

such a beauty Pat !!

[Second Hand Pat]

Nat, talk about missing in action....miss you girl. Check in more often ok.
Pat

[vera]

awe , missed u too girl , happy new year to u and fishes !! love yr heckels , never came across overhere (

[Second Hand Pat]

Happy new year to you and your fishes. Ashame about the heckels. Hope all is well in your nick of the woods.

[Melissa]

Well my goodness, look at the trouble you've gotten into since I've been gone lady! Gorgeous fishes!!!! You've got a beautiful collection going. Really awesome :) :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Well my goodness, look at the trouble you've gotten into since I've been gone lady! Gorgeous fishes!!!! You've got a beautiful collection going. Really awesome :) :)

Thanks Melissa....you might say I have indeed gotten in deep. :D

[Second Hand Pat]

Nice centerbar Cuipeua with a broken hard ray. Still a handsome fish.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_4191_zps39d06d89.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/DSC_4191_zps39d06d89.jpg.html)

[Second Hand Pat]

Demini Heckel. He is mine largest one to date.

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[Second Hand Pat]

A semi royal Cuipeua, pretty sure a male despite the red.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_4195_zps3e2aa514.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/DSC_4195_zps3e2aa514.jpg.html)

[Nick Klimkowski]

Very nice Pat. I really like the heckel.

[israelillo81]

Amazing colours, congratulations. I'm gaining experience in keeping wilds. Prices
In Singapore of wild caught are around 320USD. I wonder what is the average price of such
Nice specimens


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[israelillo81]

prices In USA for Wild caught Alenquers and heckels


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[Second Hand Pat]

Very nice Pat. I really like the heckel.

Thanks Nick, this one is my favorite

[Second Hand Pat]

Amazing colours, congratulations. I'm gaining experience in keeping wilds. Prices
In Singapore of wild caught are around 320USD. I wonder what is the average price of such
Nice specimens


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Thanks

[ClayT101]

That first fish is spectacular!!!

[dirtyplants]

Pat you know! you do this to me every time you post a picture. I will get mine soon I hope, then I won't feel like I am on the out side looking in.

[Second Hand Pat]

That first fish is spectacular!!!

Thank Clay, I like him a lot too.

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat you know! you do this to me every time you post a picture. I will get mine soon I hope, then I won't feel like I am on the out side looking in.

Coree, you have not seen this thread? Soon you will be posting pictures too.

[dirtyplants]

Soon you will be posting pictures too.


I sure as ___ hope so, I am getting tired at looking at your beautiful fish, longing for a tank of my own with wilds. And yes I finally figured out how to post pictures. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

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I sure as ___ hope so, I am getting tired at looking at your beautiful fish, longing for a tank of my own with wilds. And yes I finally figured out how to post pictures. :)

Now that is great news.

[dirtyplants]

Now that is great news.
:)

[Pardal]

Nice centerbar Cuipeua with a broken hard ray. Still a handsome fish.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_4191_zps39d06d89.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/DSC_4191_zps39d06d89.jpg.html)

Indeed a beauty just like the others

Julian.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Julian, how is life treating you?

[israelillo81]

Pat, I have a couple of Paunini Blue heckels that look like yours. They are from distributor H&K in Brasil http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/23/aje4asu5.jpg


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[Second Hand Pat]

Pat, I have a couple of Paunini Blue heckels that look like yours. They are from distributor H&K in Brasil http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/23/aje4asu5.jpg


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Nice, I have Demini Heckels and one Uini (sp) Heckel.

[israelillo81]

They are wonderfull aren't they? They have something imnotizing, probably the center bar


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[Second Hand Pat]

Yes they are but then I love all my wilds.

[israelillo81]

Are you into only wilds or you share your love with tank breds as well. I started with tank bred discus but then i got poisoned with Alenquers . So much that im clearing the tank bred ones to have only wilds


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[Second Hand Pat]

Mostly wilds. I have a few heckel crosses and a small group of Altum Floras I am growing out.

[israelillo81]

I have never seen the Album Floras.


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[Second Hand Pat]

Check out this thread....http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?59599-Introducing-Altum-Flora

[israelillo81]

I see, very nice body and colour


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[Second Hand Pat]

Playing with pictures without flash

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[Nick Klimkowski]

The second pic came out great Pat.

[Discus-n00b]

Excellent Pat! Love wilds! Are all of these in the last photos Cuipeua?

[Second Hand Pat]

The second pic came out great Pat.

Thanks Nick

[Second Hand Pat]

Excellent Pat! Love wilds! Are all of these in the last photos Cuipeua?

Thanks Matt, the middle picture is a Cuipeua. If you note the dark tail etc she is so ready to breed. She is forming a pair with the Trombeta in the first picture. The last picture is a Pacoval on the left which is still a sub-adult and turning into a full royal and miss little red is a Curua from Bob and Rob.

[israelillo81]

What is the diet you give to your wilds


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[Second Hand Pat]

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[israelillo81]

Amazing collection Pat.


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[Discus-n00b]

That last one looks like a hog! Great shape to it!

Not sure how you keep track of them all Pat, such a vast collection haha.

[Nick Klimkowski]

They look great Pat, I love that heckle.

[Second Hand Pat]

Amazing collection Pat.

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Thanks Israel :)


That last one looks like a hog! Great shape to it!

Not sure how you keep track of them all Pat, such a vast collection haha.

That hog is the Trombeta from Mark from this past summer and it is paired up with one of the Cuipeua. He is a big boy and the largest wild I have.


They look great Pat, I love that heckle.

Thanks Nick :)

[dirtyplants]

How large is the largest?

[Second Hand Pat]

How large is the largest?

At least six inches Coree.

[dirtyplants]

Forgive my ignorance here, but how big do they usually get? Do different wilds have different size limits?

[Second Hand Pat]

Coree, this is my best guess. Some wild discus populations are known for their large size and many of the larger discus collected go to the people who consistently pay a premium for the larger, nicer discus.

[dirtyplants]

Discus can grow up to 15cm and, in captivity, can live for over 30 years. They can start breeding at the age of 12-15 months years and will form a mated pair to care for their young

Found this, wouldn't it be really nice if we could keep these guys for 30 years.

[Second Hand Pat]

It would Coree :)

[israelillo81]

I'm not sure about the 30 years life span. I have some fellow discus keepers that report having their fish tops 6-8 years until they really start looking elder


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[Second Hand Pat]

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[Kirbs]

Just one word Pat......WOW! Those are beautiful!

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Kribs, the royal is a Pacoval.

[dm.67]

I never really looked at the members section of the forum before, but I'm glad I have now. Great post Pat, I could look at photos of wilds all day long and there are some real nice fish on this post. Thanks for sharing.

[Second Hand Pat]

I never really looked at the members section of the forum before, but I'm glad I have now. Great post Pat, I could look at photos of wilds all day long and there are some real nice fish on this post. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks Dave, my homesteader is full of wild things, not just fish ;)