Angel Newbie - I'm in Love

[Second Hand Pat]

So a while back Larry sent me his remaining wild angels. Five total and two types. I will look up the type later. First I bought a 50 gallon Seaclear with the blue background and did this with it.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5181_zps93391932.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5181_zps93391932.jpg.html)

The blue in a wild angel tank seemed like a no no. You will note that the wood is floating as the tank was setup this afternoon.

[Second Hand Pat]

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5191_zpscee0277c.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5191_zpscee0277c.jpg.html)

Note the shoulder area on these guys

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5188_zps9b9e4a4e.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5188_zps9b9e4a4e.jpg.html)
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5192_zps2d171486.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5192_zps2d171486.jpg.html)

[Second Hand Pat]

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5186_zps8ab471d2.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5186_zps8ab471d2.jpg.html)

This is one of the smaller ones

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5185_zps9953e353.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5185_zps9953e353.jpg.html)

[Second Hand Pat]

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[Discus-n00b]

I loved my Wild Angels when I had them Pat. Yours look great.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Matt, wilds season is just around the corner.

[musicmarn1]

they are stunning!!!

[Second Hand Pat]

Oh Marnie, I am not doing them justice. I will need to practice on them to capture their true beauty. Those reflective surfaces are a bit tricky.

[Disgirl]

and a new angel hobbyist is born, welcome Pat! I enjoy my angels as much as my discus, you will too.
Barb

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Barb, thank you for that angel breeding surface. Larry tells me he thinks there is a possible pair in there. I will be adding that once they settle.

[Disgirl]

I call them Flat Cones. Let me know when they use it, they will.
Barb

[Second Hand Pat]

Will do Barb :)

[brewmaster15]

Love the red speckels on the shoulder Pat! Be advised... a pair of angels will definetly fill any empty containers you have with FRY!! But I do love them very much still! Enjoy!They are Discus with an attitude.:)

-al

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Al and I have heard that but willing to get it a try. The three larger ones were sold as red shoulder Manacapuru angels. Ryan think they are a cross due to the blue sheen in with the red spots.

[brewmaster15]

Ryan think they are a cross due to the blue sheen in with the red spots. I defer all things Angel to Ryan.:) He's who I ask angel fish questions to.LOL

-al

[DLFL]

Pat, You have some nice ones there! Angels were the first fish I fell in love with, both wilds and domestics. I was able to keep both together in a show tank in the hatchery I built. I had nine pair of domestics I was raising fry from at one time. I lost all my photos when HP stopped their photo site. I failed to get them downloaded before it was taken down.

[Scribbles]

They are just beautiful Pat. Best of luck with them. I am lookig forward to future pics of fry.

Chris

[blueluv]

Wow!! Is the first word that came to mind. They are so beautiful Pat, good luck with them. Hope to see large number of angel fry in your tank. :D

[Kirbs]

Nice looking Angels Pat. They are what got me into this hobby 32 years ago!

[Second Hand Pat]

I defer all things Angel to Ryan.:) He's who I ask angel fish questions to.LOL

-al

Sounds like a good idea Al :D


Pat, You have some nice ones there! Angels were the first fish I fell in love with, both wilds and domestics. I was able to keep both together in a show tank in the hatchery I built. I had nine pair of domestics I was raising fry from at one time. I lost all my photos when HP stopped their photo site. I failed to get them downloaded before it was taken down.

Thanks Dick, that is a shame about your pictures :( Don't tell anyone but I did not care for angelfish until Larry sent these guys to me even then it took a while. I have them in a low, dark tank and the angels were always shiddish and hiding. It was time to bring them into the light and I can only say WOW. :D


They are just beautiful Pat. Best of luck with them. I am lookig forward to future pics of fry.

Chris

Thank you Chris, they are settling in nice. Hopefully there is a pair in there somewhere. :)


Wow!! Is the first word that came to mind. They are so beautiful Pat, good luck with them. Hope to see large number of angel fry in your tank. :D

Thanks Chris, angel fry would keep me busy until the wild discus start breeding again.


Nice looking Angels Pat. They are what got me into this hobby 32 years ago!

Thanks Kirbs, angels seem to drawn a lot of folks into the hobby.

[Second Hand Pat]

For the angelfish purists the two smaller ones are Xingu scalare and the three larger ones were sold under Manacapuru red shoulder.

[charrr89]

Looove ur angelfish... My friend was a breeder and gave me some when I first set up my tank.... Beautiful fish

[eranio]

Very nice Pat!
Be prepare to replace them with Altums.....this what happen to anyone with angelfish....(;

[Second Hand Pat]

Looove ur angelfish... My friend was a breeder and gave me some when I first set up my tank.... Beautiful fish

Thanks charrr89 :)


Very nice Pat!
Be prepare to replace them with Altums.....this what happen to anyone with angelfish....(;

Thanks eranio, we shall see. I would need a much larger tank for Altums. ;)

[Second Hand Pat]

Here is a video of the tank today. The wood has been shedding and is making a mess on the sand bed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wQpDTTAX5c

[Second Hand Pat]

A few daylight pictures of the Xingu angels. These guys are pretty in their own right.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5202_zps6b6f56e8.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5202_zps6b6f56e8.jpg.html)

They are getting bullied by the red shouldered.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5211_zpsb260d0e0.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5211_zpsb260d0e0.jpg.html)

[rickztahone]

Those are simply gorgeous! I can only imagine the sheen they must display in real life. Where did you get these again? I may set up an angel tank down the line.

[Ryan]

There is a lot of confusion about Manacapurus. The first ones to appear years ago from that location were red shouldered (you can see it in the back of Heiko's first book, I think) and so the Manacapuru craze started. That led to more imports in the following years but those fish did not express the trait when grown out. It's said that the red shouldered ones are caught in Lake Manacapuru (which is the southern part of the river) and the non-red ones come from the river itself. It is a huge river system, so there could be any number of variations of angels in that river. From Wikipedia:


Manacapuru River is a river of Amazonas state in north-western Brazil. It flows into the Amazon River (Solimões section) at the city of Manacapuru, about 80 km (50 mi) upstream (west) from Manaus. Parts of the river are very broad, appearing as elongated lakes, with the uppermost known as Lago Grande de Manacapuru ("Large Manacapuru Lake") and the lowermost, near where it merges into the Amazon, as Lago Manacapuru ("Lake Manacapuru").

You'll definitely know the red-shouldered ones when you see them because the color starts to develop fairly early.

To add to the confusion, yours don't look anything like the non-red Manacapuru I've seen other breeders working with. LOL. But who knows, really.

Either way, I always find angels enjoyable in their own way. They are not discus but they come with their own set of quirks and behaviors that are interesting. Have fun with them. ;)

[Second Hand Pat]

Those are simply gorgeous! I can only imagine the sheen they must display in real life. Where did you get these again? I may set up an angel tank down the line.

Rick, the pictures I posted today are Xingu Scalare and are from one of Mark's (Discus Origins) shipments from last summer.

[Second Hand Pat]

There is a lot of confusion about Manacapurus. The first ones to appear years ago from that location were red shouldered (you can see it in the back of Heiko's first book, I think) and so the Manacapuru craze started. That led to more imports in the following years but those fish did not express the trait when grown out. It's said that the red shouldered ones are caught in Lake Manacapuru (which is the southern part of the river) and the non-red ones come from the river itself. It is a huge river system, so there could be any number of variations of angels in that river. From Wikipedia:



You'll definitely know the red-shouldered ones when you see them because the color starts to develop fairly early.

To add to the confusion, yours don't look anything like the non-red Manacapuru I've seen other breeders working with. LOL. But who knows, really.

Either way, I always find angels enjoyable in their own way. They are not discus but they come with their own set of quirks and behaviors that are interesting. Have fun with them. ;)

Thanks Ryan, I understand these were sold under the red shoulder label yet do not express the full red shoulder but instead the green/blue sheen. Either way they are gorgeous fish and very different from discus. So if I get lucky and mange to get some fry they may not show the interesting shoulder coloration of the parents?

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5200_zps40a291a2.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5200_zps40a291a2.jpg.html)

[Steve&Tammy]

Very Nice!!! Angel fish is how Steve and I got started - we currently have a 55Gal with angels:
http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o484/barbiewoman/AngelTank1_zpsc27080d7.jpg (http://s1144.photobucket.com/user/barbiewoman/media/AngelTank1_zpsc27080d7.jpg.html)
http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o484/barbiewoman/AngelTank2_zps45f565f2.jpg (http://s1144.photobucket.com/user/barbiewoman/media/AngelTank2_zps45f565f2.jpg.html)
http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o484/barbiewoman/AngelTank3_zps2a16ae99.jpg (http://s1144.photobucket.com/user/barbiewoman/media/AngelTank3_zps2a16ae99.jpg.html)
http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o484/barbiewoman/AngelTank4_zps29c51263.jpg (http://s1144.photobucket.com/user/barbiewoman/media/AngelTank4_zps29c51263.jpg.html)

[Second Hand Pat]

Nice Tammy, any wild angels in your bunch?

[DiscusLoverJeff]

Very nice looking angels Tammy. I love my new additions.

[Steve&Tammy]

Nice Tammy, any wild angels in your bunch?

Not sure really. Steve bought them at a local aquarium. (I think he got the blacks at Tropic Isle in Framingham, MA and the others at Patenaude's in New Bedford) I always liked angels and they are so much easier to care for than discus.

[Second Hand Pat]

I gave these guys their first dose of RO water.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5252_zps8b7b81d8.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5252_zps8b7b81d8.jpg.html)
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http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5258_zps91d9846e.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5258_zps91d9846e.jpg.html)
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5264_zpsc6355359.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5264_zpsc6355359.jpg.html)
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5268_zpse444a0e4.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5268_zpse444a0e4.jpg.html)

[Nathanp]

Those are fabulous !!! Love them! How did they like the first tastes of RO water?

[Second Hand Pat]

Those are fabulous !!! Love them! How did they like the first tastes of RO water?

Thanks Nathan, I didn't really see any difference in the fish. It wasn't a lot.
Pat

[rickztahone]

I love those red spots. I hope they breed for you. Do they require the same parameters as discus in order to breed?

[Second Hand Pat]

I would think so Rick but hopefully easier that wild discus. :)
Pat

[rickztahone]

I would think so Rick but hopefully easier that wild discus. :)
Pat

I'm pretty sure that is a fact, lol. Did you see the Altums that John had for sale recently? I really wanted to get some but have no experience with wilds anything. Alas, recent events will not allow me to purchase anything for a while :-(

[Second Hand Pat]

I did Rick and tempted, but have enough pots in the oven. Maybe next year. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

So TDS is at 126 and added one of Barb's flat breeding cones to the tank. No pairing is occurring that I can tell. I'm not even sure if you can tell gender on angels.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2moVSjEkqr4

[Ryan]

^ Not until they spawn and you see the tubes, just like discus.

[Second Hand Pat]

^ Not until they spawn and you see the tubes, just like discus.

Figures..thanks Ryan :D

[Second Hand Pat]

So have been dropping the TDS in the angelfish tank and finally observed a behavior other then just chasing. Two were facing each other and each fish was doing a quick repeating pulse of the entire body starting with the head. It was similar to the discus shimmy but a more violent, larger movement. Guessing it is a dominance behavior.

[rickztahone]

Pretty sweet. Did you get it on video? :D

[Second Hand Pat]

Pretty sweet. Did you get it on video? :D

I haven't. Damn fish will not cooperate. :(

[Second Hand Pat]

Pretty sweet. Did you get it on video? :D

I did Rick


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rF7WdNlKPU

[c_sir]

So TDS is at 126 and added one of Barb's flat breeding cones to the tank. No pairing is occurring that I can tell. I'm not even sure if you can tell gender on angels.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2moVSjEkqr4

Hey they're quite the size! Looked rather small on the first pics and much bigger on the vid. Although not wild, an albino dantum would look awesome in there (I just find them very interesting lol)

[Second Hand Pat]

Hey they're quite the size! Looked rather small on the first pics and much bigger on the vid. Although not wild, an albino dantum would look awesome in there (I just find them very interesting lol)

Thanks and yes, they are good sized but feel that the tank is a bit small for these guys even thru it is a 50 gallon tank.

[Disgirl]

Real beauties Pat! Hope they like my flat cone, if they use it be sure to let us know?
Barb

[Second Hand Pat]

Real beauties Pat! Hope they like my flat cone, if they use it be sure to let us know?
Barb

Well do Barb, with pictures and videos :D. I may need to move the cone to one side or the other depending on who the third fish decides to hang with.

[c_sir]

Thanks and yes, they are good sized but feel that the tank is a bit small for these guys even thru it is a 50 gallon tank.

Yeah, Ive read here and there that wild angels grow considerably fast; Of course with good food and everything. If thats true you'll soon have to move them lol
I love the shimmer, glitter-like that shows on the body. I don't have wilds but my angel sometimes reflects blue, greens, hazel and even a red hues.

[decoy50]

Good looking wilds - its tough to get them with intact/unbent dorsals. I've found them way more territorial than domestics. 5 in a 55gal did not work out well for me. I bought F1 Brazilians from Bill @ Inland Empire a couple months ago and they are really turning out nicely. I have 7 growing out in a 90gal currently.

[Second Hand Pat]

Good looking wilds - its tough to get them with intact/unbent dorsals. I've found them way more territorial than domestics. 5 in a 55gal did not work out well for me. I bought F1 Brazilians from Bill @ Inland Empire a couple months ago and they are really turning out nicely. I have 7 growing out in a 90gal currently.

You have any pictures? Would love to see some.

[Second Hand Pat]

So may have a pair. Two of them are hanging around together staring at wood, background etc.

[Second Hand Pat]

Still waiting to see if these guys will do something. TDS is down to 76.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyn3R6Ssa80

[musicmarn1]

Looking superb! I love my blue ghost and cobalt blue angels, they really can be stunning fish, I would love to try albums after a year with wild my discus :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Looking superb! I love my blue ghost and cobalt blue angels, they really can be stunning fish, I would love to try albums after a year with wild my discus :)

Thanks Marnie, funny thing, it you watch the video the largest angel has a tube showing. Tonight two of them have a little tube showing.

[rickztahone]

Looking superb! I love my blue ghost and cobalt blue angels, they really can be stunning fish, I would love to try albums after a year with wild my discus :)

Marnie, you want to try albums? Like in old school Long play albums to set the mood? :p

Pat, great going. Keep us posted.

[discuspaul]

Your Angels are beautiful, Pat.
Angels are a very close second to Discus as my favorite fish.
In fact, one of the first egg-laying species that spawned for me was Angels - in a 40 gal tank about 40 or so years ago.
I was so uptight about doing it 'right', that once the eggs were laid, I covered the tank completely all around with towels for the first few days, so as not to startle them so they wouldn't eat the eggs. I was really afraid that's what they would do as a means of trying to 'protect' them ! LOL
But hey, I learned as I went, and even managed to raise a few fry from that spawning.
You've convinced me - I'm going to do another Angel tank next - I haven't kept Angels for over 15 years.

[Second Hand Pat]

Your Angels are beautiful, Pat.
Angels are a very close second to Discus as my favorite fish.
In fact, one of the first egg-laying species that spawned for me was Angels - in a 40 gal tank about 40 or so years ago.
I was so uptight about doing it 'right', that once the eggs were laid, I covered the tank completely all around with towels for the first few days, so as not to startle them so they wouldn't eat the eggs. I was really afraid that's what they would do as a means of trying to 'protect' them ! LOL
But hey, I learned as I went, and even managed to raise a few fry from that spawning.
You've convinced me - I'm going to do another Angel tank next - I haven't kept Angels for over 15 years.

Thanks Paul, I am finding them addicting but not fussing with them to much either. I figure they will laid and hopefully deal with the me and Tom moving about the house.

[Rudustin]

Thanks Paul, I am finding them addicting but not fussing with them to much either. I figure they will laid and hopefully deal with the me and Tom moving about the house. I had the very good fortune to see these very same angels at Pat's. Pictures cannot do them justice. They are very beautiful and very big! Amazing fins and filaments. I got to see all of Pat's fish and also took some away back to Miami. Not angels but four Altum Flora Discus. Pat has an amazing way with fish and her wilds are stunning. Rufus

[musicmarn1]

Lol that was an epic keyboard fail, misplaced my keyboard and had to type manually with the tablet, ewww lol. I meant Altums not Albums, haha i can picture Pat playing Barry White and staring at Barb's stunnning flat cones....hehe

not really, Rdustin glad you saw them in person i bet they are truly striking, it will be a while before im ready for wild Angels got so many discus i cant keep up ! :):)

ooh ooh Paul, how bout some Angels in the Weeds tank??

[Second Hand Pat]

I had the very good fortune to see these very same angels at Pat's. Pictures cannot do them justice. They are very beautiful and very big! Amazing fins and filaments. I got to see all of Pat's fish and also took some away back to Miami. Not angels but four Altum Flora Discus. Pat has an amazing way with fish and her wilds are stunning. Rufus

Rufus, it was a pleasure to have you over today. Next time you will need to put up your feet and sit a spell. Play with horses and maybe some of the wild chickens will show up.
Pat

[Second Hand Pat]

Lol that was an epic keyboard fail, misplaced my keyboard and had to type manually with the tablet, ewww lol. I meant Altums not Albums, haha i can picture Pat playing Barry White and staring at Barb's stunnning flat cones....hehe

not really, Rdustin glad you saw them in person i bet they are truly striking, it will be a while before im ready for wild Angels got so many discus i cant keep up ! :):)

ooh ooh Paul, how bout some Angels in the Weeds tank??

Marnie, while I like Barb's flat cones I would rather not stare at them. I will leave that to the fishes hehe. :D

[Rudustin]

Rufus, it was a pleasure to have you over today. Next time you will need to put up your feet and sit a spell. Play with horses and maybe some of the wild chickens will show up.
Pat
Pat, next time I will! I just wanted to get my babies home and make sure that they were settled and that I had lots of time to spend with them as they adjusted to their new home. They are being spoiled. They keep look for me to feed them but I will keep them on a a diet today and let them get used to the feeding schedule which is about four times a day when I am home. I saw the wild turkeys at your place. Stopped to watch them parade around. Beautiful. It was a lovely day for me as well. Rufus

[Second Hand Pat]

I will hold you to that Rufus plus there could be another trip to Universal :D

This is the only picture which came out decent tonight.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5373_zpsd941dc68.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5373_zpsd941dc68.jpg.html)

[rickztahone]

Love the red spots.

[DLFL]

Wonderful picture Pat!

[Second Hand Pat]

Love the red spots.

My too Rick. :D


Wonderful picture Pat!

Thanks Dick, I was quite happy with this picture. :D

[Second Hand Pat]

This video is posted above. If you look close you will see the tube down on the largest angel and a hint of a tube on one of the others. So betting these guys actually did spawn but I sure did miss it if they did.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyn3R6Ssa80

[Rudustin]

Pat, I don't think you could have missed it! Perhaps they are going to! Rufus

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat, I don't think you could have missed it! Perhaps they are going to! Rufus

Maybe Rufus, have tubes showing tonight yet see no indication of prespawning activities.

[DLFL]

A watched pot!

[Second Hand Pat]

Yes Dick, the tube is up on the female and just visible on the male. Male is chasing everyone.

[Ryan]

You'll know when they spawn. Angels, particularly wild angels, are notoriously aggressive toward tankmates once they spawn. Mine would turn completely sideways and dart at fish across the tank.

Keep a close eye on them. Wild angels in small tanks (under 6') are very rough on each other. I never had luck in anything less than my 150.

[Second Hand Pat]

You'll know when they spawn. Angels, particularly wild angels, are notoriously aggressive toward tankmates once they spawn. Mine would turn completely sideways and dart at fish across the tank.

Keep a close eye on them. Wild angels in small tanks (under 6') are very rough on each other. I never had luck in anything less than my 150.

Thanks Ryan, I have noticed since the last WC that the "male" of the pair has been escalating hostilities towards the other angels in the tank as last night I removed the extra angels for their own safety. My impressions with watching the angels is they would do best in larger tanks.

I spoke with Al briefly and he said he had even seen angels go after each others eyes. Mean fish indeed.

[Second Hand Pat]

Here's some pictures of the pair. These pictures were taken during the day and the angels tend to be rather light. I also feed them some small moths, they really liked them.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5432_zpse7e17b93.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5432_zpse7e17b93.jpg.html)

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5420_zps531ead79.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5420_zps531ead79.jpg.html)

Female
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5429_zps17f08d4a.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5429_zps17f08d4a.jpg.html)

Male
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5428_zpse4f4cc14.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5428_zpse4f4cc14.jpg.html)

[Ryan]

It's good that you have some dithers in there. Hopefully that will keep the pair from beating up each other. I've found that sometimes angels, like other SA/CA cichlids, will attack each other when kept in single pairs. I had a gorgeous koi pair several years ago but the female would routinely beat the crap out of the male after they spawned. The dithers should redirect some of that nervous energy.

What's the temp? Try cooling them down a little bit during your next w/c.

[Second Hand Pat]

It's good that you have some dithers in there. Hopefully that will keep the pair from beating up each other. I've found that sometimes angels, like other SA/CA cichlids, will attack each other when kept in single pairs. I had a gorgeous koi pair several years ago but the female would routinely beat the crap out of the male after they spawned. The dithers should redirect some of that nervous energy.

What's the temp? Try cooling them down a little bit during your next w/c.

Thanks Ryan, temp is around 80. WCs are about 78. They seem pretty calm with each other. They spend lots of time staring at stuff but last night noted a bit of pecking when can be seen towards the end of the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0axgAUlomU4&list=UUaeXQ_wwjMmbU52-KYBqNJg