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Larry Bugg
07-29-2014, 09:44 PM
One of the pairs I brought home from the NADA 2014 Show was a proven pair from James P's Heckle/Penang cross. James had several really nice proven pairs from this cross available at the Show. John N brought home one of the pairs also. Looking forward to seeing the outcome of this pairing. Went down to do water changes tonight to find they had spawned. Counted what looked to be about 175 eggs. Went upstairs to get my phone to take some pics and when I returned the count was down to about 125 so I threw a screen over the cone.

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JamesP
07-30-2014, 10:50 PM
Larry congrats. I am glad they spawned. Good luck with them. I have been traveling like crazy lately and spent very little time in the fishroom. Hopefully next week I will get more time.

tiggert
07-30-2014, 11:39 PM
Way to go Larry! This cold front warmed them up!

John_Nicholson
07-31-2014, 08:24 AM
Congrats.

-john

Larry Bugg
12-05-2014, 08:02 PM
Well unfortunately the male was a jumper back during the summer. But, when one door closes another opens up.

I pulled what I was hoping was a male blue face heckle from my heckle group. The female heckle cross from James spawned twice and both times the eggs were not fertilized. I never saw the heckle make passes and never saw a tube. So I pulled another heckle and put it in the tank with them. The first heckle wasn't very happy with this, lol. Well the female spawned again this week and the male finally got it right.

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Heckle%20Cross/20141205_131039_zpsae243d4b.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Heckle%20Cross/20141205_131039_zpsae243d4b.jpg.html)


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Second Hand Pat
12-05-2014, 08:14 PM
Cool Larry, looks like a good sized spawn and nice to have those spare fish :). I have a heckel that is hot to trot if I had a willing female.

Larry Bugg
12-05-2014, 08:25 PM
Heckels are my least favorite wild but I bought them hoping to identify a male that I could use for crosses. While heckles are my least favorite, I really love heckle crosses. James has had great success getting the heckle 5th bar to show in the F1's and F2's. With this female being one of the original F1's I'm hoping to keep the strong 5th bar. Time will tell.

Second Hand Pat
12-05-2014, 08:32 PM
Larry, I hear you on the heckel crosses

JamesP
12-05-2014, 11:08 PM
Larry, Great job I am excited to see what they produce. I hope to see many Center bars.

Jim

Well unfortunately the male was a jumper back during the summer. But, when one door closes another opens up.

I pulled what I was hoping was a male blue face heckle from my heckle group. The female heckle cross from James spawned twice and both times the eggs were not fertilized. I never saw the heckle make passes and never saw a tube. So I pulled another heckle and put it in the tank with them. The first heckle wasn't very happy with this, lol. Well the female spawned again this week and the male finally got it right.



http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Heckle%20Cross/20141205_131039_zpsae243d4b.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Heckle%20Cross/20141205_131039_zpsae243d4b.jpg.html)


http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Heckle%20Cross/20141205_131236_zps4e5093aa.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Heckle%20Cross/20141205_131236_zps4e5093aa.jpg.html)

pastry
12-06-2014, 11:20 AM
DEFINITELY a cool looking pair, Larry. Please please please keep us posted how it comes along. Hell, if I have the space in the tank and time then I'll drive my butt out to Cummings, Ga if I could successfully harass you for some ahead of time. I'm usually a brown-based red fan but those look they'll be producing some awesome little ones. Great stuff!

rickztahone
12-06-2014, 01:37 PM
Spawn right in time for your birthday Larry! Very nice :)

John_Nicholson
12-06-2014, 06:14 PM
Congrats Larry.

-john

jawfish
12-09-2014, 09:20 PM
Well done. Looking forward on how tgese will turn out.

Larry Bugg
12-09-2014, 10:26 PM
Well we won't get to see how these turn out lol. I pulled the cage and both the male and female were great. The cleaned them and put them on the back side of the cone and then diligently took care of them. The next day they started going free swimming and were attaching to the female. Thought I had it made. Came home from work and they were gone. Another week or so and I'm sure there will be another batch.

JamesP
12-09-2014, 10:32 PM
Aah the challenges of a new pair. Good luck Larry I am very curious to see how they turn out.

Well we won't get to see how these turn out lol. I pulled the cage and both the male and female were great. The cleaned them and put them on the back side of the cone and then diligently took care of them. The next day they started going free swimming and were attaching to the female. Thought I had it made. Came home from work and they were gone. Another week or so and I'm sure there will be another batch.

jawfish
12-11-2014, 11:31 PM
Argggh this is why we love breeding discus... right ? ;)

ockyra215
02-09-2015, 12:40 AM
Any update Larry ?

Larry Bugg
02-09-2015, 12:51 AM
Well they had another spawn but only 17 survived. I normally wouldn't keep a spawn this small but really want to see what these are going to look like. I left them with the parents for about 10 days and then pulled them so the pair could spawn again. They are about 3 weeks old now and the pair had a bigger spawn and now have wigglers on the cone again. Hopefully these will all attach and I will have a decent number to work with.

nc0gnet0
02-09-2015, 01:37 AM
Hopefully these will all attach and I will have a decent number to work with.

If not it is time to bring in a pinch hitter-aka the foster pair to raise a batch.

jawfish
02-09-2015, 09:50 AM
Will keep our finger crossed for you Larry. I'm currious to see how these will turn out.

Second Hand Pat
02-09-2015, 09:54 AM
Fingers crossed here too Larry.

ockyra215
02-09-2015, 05:59 PM
Awesome Larry looking forward to see what happens!