Wild F2 Angels

[Larry Bugg]

About a month ago I decided I wanted to give wild angels a try and narrowed my wishes down to Manacapura Red shoulders. Not so easy to find though. After doing a lot of searching I found an old post on one of the angelfish forums stating that Jon (Mugwump) bred them. Just happens that I know Jon from a Discus forum so I shot him a PM asking if by chance he had any available for sale. To my surprise he replied that he had some Manacapura F2 and Sta Isabel x Rio Negro F2's pre breeders that he was growing out for his own breeder stock and he thought he could part with 3 of each. After waiting out yet another snow/ice storm they finally arrived 1 week ago. I've kept and bred a good many domestics but never wilds. These guys are sooooo different especially at feeding time. It has been fun watching them settle in. Anyway here are some pics and a video I took tonight. You can see the red starting to come out in the shoulders.



http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/20150317_221527_zpsenefxlte.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/20150317_221527_zpsenefxlte.jpg.html)


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfRzRhH4xP8&feature=youtu.be

[dpt8]

They look great already.. Good luck and breed us some :0) Congrats on a great find

[jmf3460]

i thought you said you only could get 3?? Tank looks really good and fish look great. I especially like the green/blue sheen on the one.

[Second Hand Pat]

Nice Larry and best of luck with breeding them. From the looks of them, they have still have some growing to do. Should we ever meet up again I have two F1 Manacapura (not red shouldered) you could have if interested.
Pat

[Second Hand Pat]

i thought you said you only could get 3?? Tank looks really good and fish look great. I especially like the green/blue sheen on the one.

Larry got three of each type based on the first post Jacklyn.
Pat

[Larry Bugg]

They look great already.. Good luck and breed us some :0) Congrats on a great find

Thanks. I do plan on breeding them and may also use them to cross into some of my domestic stock.


i thought you said you only could get 3?? Tank looks really good and fish look great. I especially like the green/blue sheen on the one.

As Pat said, there are two different types in the tank and I could only get three of each, so six total. The ones with the blue sheen are actually wild crosses that originated from Neil Oyama. They are a Santa Isabel x Rio Negro/ P Blue. Still look wild but do carry the domestic P Blue gene.


Nice Larry and best of luck with breeding them. From the looks of them, they have still have some growing to do. Should we ever meet up again I have two F1 Manacapura (not red shouldered) you could have if interested.
Pat

Your are right Pat, they do still have some growing to do. They are not quite a year old. Jon says they have just started showing some of their color but have a ways to go yet. Like wild discus, their coloration doesn't show until they have matured. Along with the red shoulders intensifying the Sta Isabel/Rio Negro will hopefully also develop some of the red spotting they are known for. Do your Manacapura show any of the spotting? Here is a domestic cross I have with the red spotting from either Manacapura or Santa Isabel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QVtVlnVpHs

[brewmaster15]

Larry,
Theres some nice colors on those angels... sounds like a very fun project you got yourself into! Be interested to watch as this one unfolds!:o

al

[Second Hand Pat]

Hi Larry, they do indeed have the red spotting in a light blue sheen.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5373_zpsd941dc68.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5373_zpsd941dc68.jpg.html)

[jmf3460]

ah yes Larry, 3 of each, I misread.

[Larry Bugg]

Hi Larry, they do indeed have the red spotting in a light blue sheen.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5373_zpsd941dc68.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Angels/DSC_5373_zpsd941dc68.jpg.html)

Very nice Pat. If we were closer they would already be gone, lol.

[Second Hand Pat]

One of these days I want to see your fishroom but in the mean time....if you are ever in the area :D
Pat

[dpt8]

Pat, Your angels with the red spotting are the kind I used to have.. Wish I could find more.. I never bred them but they grew out nicely... I got them from Uncle Ned's... lfs... He gets a lot of interesting fish, both domestic and wilds...

[winn0923]

Man pat if you don't mind shipping I would take the angels off your hand :p

[blueluv]

Beautiful Algels. That's a lot of fry I saw in that video.

[Larry Bugg]

I've had these guys for about a month now. The red shoulders are starting to show more. Sometime between last night and this afternoon someone had a pretty decent spawn. Pretty sure the one guarding the eggs is the male but I have no idea who the female is. Didn't see the eggs laid and by the time I saw the clutch there were no tubes down. The male is the biggest of the crosses.

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[Fundulopanchax]

Some of these are starting to develop some very nice red spotting. I used to keep a line that was similar. They were among my favorites. I let them go many years ago when I was moving. Seeing yours and Pat's makes me think I need to get some more!

Ron

[Mugwump]

;);););););).....

[Larry Bugg]

Pretty sure I know which is the female now. The male finally calmed down and allowed her to come to the slate and help take care of protecting and fanning the eggs. It is the smallest of the Manacapura.

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/20150404_213338_zpsplcqlbzm.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/20150404_213338_zpsplcqlbzm.jpg.html)


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[Mugwump]

Nice golden eggs.....sweeeeeeet....

[Larry Bugg]

I pulled the slate and put it in a 20. They went free swimming yesterday.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXScNKD2okU&feature=youtu.be

[84mos]

Wow that's awesome, I got some of the Santa Isabel rio negro cross from john on the lasts gcca. I just could not resist after seeing yours.

[Mugwump]

Nice.....congrat's....

[Second Hand Pat]

Very nice Larry, that didn't take long.
Pat

[rickztahone]

Very nice Larry! Keep us updated.