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Second Hand Pat
07-17-2015, 07:27 AM
Hey guys, bought a stand-alone version of Lightroom 6 and will be here today. Any suggestions on materials for getting started with it?

rickztahone
07-17-2015, 10:17 AM
My only suggestion is to come up with a filing method right now before you get it and stick with it. Lr serves as a great organizer, but you have to know how you want things organized first

Second Hand Pat
07-17-2015, 10:20 AM
My only suggestion is to come up with a filing method right now before you get it and stick with it. Lr serves as a great organizer, but you have to know how you want things organized first

Ricardo, guessing I should start with one folder and have everything under that so I can point lightroom to the folder?
Pat

DiscusOnly
07-17-2015, 11:00 AM
Ricardo, guessing I should start with one folder and have everything under that so I can point lightroom to the folder?
Pat

Pat

In my quick setup with the cloud version of LR, I decided to use and external hard drive to set up the catalog. Initially, I though I would be able to use the cloud space I had but it doesn't work that way. I opted to use an external hard drive because I plan to use this on multiples machines.

Second Hand Pat
07-17-2015, 11:06 AM
Van, I am planning on the same. Also found this video as a quick start. It does not directly answer my questions but a bit of experimenting on my part should suffice.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bECi0ZQAB34

Discus-n00b
07-17-2015, 04:06 PM
You also need the space to organize. You know one of my biggest complaints about lightroom? It wanting me to constantly back stuff up or catalog whatever before I close. But I'm one of those people that already have a system so it's nothing for me to do it myself. Not sure if you can turn it off or not, I hardly use the program myself. I haven't found to much I can't do in just photoshop especially if I am not trying to batch process. I could stand to dig a bit deeper into LR though as I don't know it like I know other programs. I use it for timelapse as well, but again....batch processing. Once learned I can see LR being more efficient, so I will pay attention to this. Whenever I need tutorials I tend to start on youtube Pat, sorry I can't point to anything specific atm.

SMB2
07-17-2015, 11:19 PM
Pat, there are so many good series of video tutorials. Here are a few:
Scott Kelby http://kelbyone.com/

Anthony Morganti https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bECi0ZQAB34&list=PLllFqBuTM0WKjdQXb5XXKEMQmjseqic1J

Julieanne Kost http://blogs.adobe.com/jkost/lightroom-training-videos

Phil Steele http://www.steeletraining.com/lightroom-course.htm

These will get you started! Some are subscriptions but you get continuous course updates as new things come out.
Spend time learning about setting up your Catalog, library and workflow. It will save you a lot of effort down the road. Processing is fun and it's easy to learn the basics, but organising your images is key.
Let me know if you have questions.

Second Hand Pat
07-17-2015, 11:47 PM
Thanks Stan,

I already found Anthony's quickstart video which is linked above. I worked thru some of that tonight and played with some osprey pictures from my Maryland trip. Appreciate the additional links and I am sure I could have questions as my progress thru the learning curve.

Pat

DiscusOnly
07-18-2015, 10:19 AM
You also need the space to organize. You know one of my biggest complaints about lightroom? It wanting me to constantly back stuff up or catalog whatever before I close. But I'm one of those people that already have a system so it's nothing for me to do it myself. Not sure if you can turn it off or not, I hardly use the program myself. I haven't found to much I can't do in just photoshop especially if I am not trying to batch process. I could stand to dig a bit deeper into LR though as I don't know it like I know other programs. I use it for timelapse as well, but again....batch processing. Once learned I can see LR being more efficient, so I will pay attention to this. Whenever I need tutorials I tend to start on youtube Pat, sorry I can't point to anything specific atm.

In my Lr cloud, there is an option for catalog that may be what you are looking for.

SMB2
07-18-2015, 10:38 AM
You can set Catalog backups in LR as well. But all you are backing up in the Catalog is the locations of your images and any data to adjustments made. You are not backing up the images themselves. The Catalog contains no images, so the backup takes a few minutes at most.
I back up after every session.

Second Hand Pat
07-18-2015, 11:30 AM
I am loving LR and really like the history aspect where you can go back and find where you added something you do not like. I am playing with a picture of an old white barn located at the Sotterley plantation in Southern rural Maryland. The picture was taken on an overcast day just after a rain. So the sky was overcast and the grass was glowing green from the rain. Here is the original picture

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/361/19180523173_5c81f0d156_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vdVcip)DSC_1390_orig (https://flic.kr/p/vdVcip) [/url]

and the changes made following Anthony Morganti quick start video linked above and referred in Stan's post.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/471/19180528543_8b3d1a28db_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_1390_after (https://flic.kr/p/vdVdTZ) [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/]

SMB2
07-18-2015, 12:05 PM
Nicely done, Pat. (You are shooting in RAW?)
Love the way you opened up the foreground trees. Nice control of the whites and bringing out the roof.
Perhaps a slight crop to lessen the foreground and take out the building on the left keeping the original (as shot) dimensions. May not work, just curious.

rickztahone
07-18-2015, 12:14 PM
Very nice Pat. I was worried that your first edit may be an over the top "cooked" edit. It is very typical in new users. I am so glad to see you didn't and actually used it like it is supposed to :). Great job Pat!

Second Hand Pat
07-18-2015, 12:30 PM
Thanks Stan and Ricardo :)

Ricardo, I know exactly what you mean by "overcooked". I actually hate that look.

Stan, I am shooting in RAW and making my edits on the RAW file. Is this a little better. I think the dark area in the foregound left should be cloned out.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3705/19807651491_2906560924_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/wbkoGB)DSC_1390_after (https://flic.kr/p/wbkoGB)

Second Hand Pat
07-18-2015, 01:15 PM
Original

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3735/19615779538_20f1884424_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vTnZRu)DSC_1142_orig (https://flic.kr/p/vTnZRu) [/url]

After. Only a little crop as the bird zoomed in pretty much falls apart. Perhaps a little overcooked Ricardo?

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/284/19617184739_acf44937f6_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_1142_after (https://flic.kr/p/vTvcz6) [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/]

SMB2
07-18-2015, 02:01 PM
The barn is now perhaps a little tight in the frame which I thought might happen to get the out building cropped out.
You can try a free hand crop to keep a bit more of the fore ground. It is all trial and error and what fits one's eye.

For the Osprey, do your crop and work the bird with just a brush. "paint" just the bird and adjust the shadow, detail, sharpening, sat., contrast sliders to taste. That should bring the bird out.
(By not opening the whole image with the exposure slider, you might keep some of the graininess in the sky at bay.)
Another alternative for the bird is to convert to B&W!

Lots of fun to be had! Don't forget to feed the Discus...

Second Hand Pat
07-18-2015, 04:31 PM
Stan, I reset the picture and did not touch the sky. I will need to research localized editing. This looks less overworked.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3826/19781311986_525bee9976_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/w91oTd)DSC_1142 (https://flic.kr/p/w91oTd) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)

Different crop on the barn. I like this better.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/476/19185425004_142b83415b_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vemjrJ)DSC_1390 (https://flic.kr/p/vemjrJ) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)

rickztahone
07-18-2015, 06:41 PM
Love both edits Pat! Great job!

Second Hand Pat
07-18-2015, 11:18 PM
Thanks Stan, I do see the bluest edge on the back of the wing and this is the things I want to know about as it increases my awareness...and the cool thing about LR is I can refine in the future as LR does not actually change the raw file.

The B&W is sweet. I do not think I have the feather definition in this osprey picture. Honestly the picture is not all that great.

Thanks Ricardo

SMB2
07-19-2015, 07:21 AM
I wanted to just post the B&W for you to see and then take it down, but I can't edit it now.
This is your thread!

One thing I do when working on an image is start with the RAW file and hit command plus comma. This will give you a "virtual copy" that will sit on the light table right next to the original RAW. So you can always see where you started and create as many copies as you want. One for color, one for B&W etc.
This does not increase the number of images you are storing, as you mentioned, LR is only keeping the data to make those changes. When you learn something new, you can just play with the virtual copy but still have the RAW right there to refer to and not trapse back through the history.
I like having the RAW always available so I can try many different versions of one image, or refine one as I learn a new tip.

Second Hand Pat
07-19-2015, 08:59 AM
Stan, I deleted the post or do you wish to just remove the picture link? I can modify the post however you wish. Since this is a learning thread for me I personally do not mind you leaving the image in as it inspires me to do better.

Second Hand Pat
07-19-2015, 09:12 AM
With a little help from Ricardo and Stan, here is the osprey with a lighter touch and no chromatic aberration. :)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/502/19203759744_87bf0b218d_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vfYhHW)DSC_1142 (https://flic.kr/p/vfYhHW) [/url]

and just for fun.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3673/19826394255_c870a2bc67_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_1142_BW (https://flic.kr/p/wcZsgH) [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/]

rickztahone
07-19-2015, 11:21 AM
I like that silver b&w effect on that last one Pat! You have so many possibilities. You can also download presets for LR that have automatic adjustments. Many times, it is good to play through different presets to get an idea of which overal edit would look best, and then you make it your own.

Second Hand Pat
07-19-2015, 11:56 AM
I like that silver b&w effect on that last one Pat! You have so many possibilities. You can also download presets for LR that have automatic adjustments. Many times, it is good to play through different presets to get an idea of which overal edit would look best, and then you make it your own.

Thank Ricardo, I do see what appears to be canned presets in the left hand menu. I think I see a way to save a preset from the picture I am looking at.

Based on what you did with the first osprey I applied that in part to this one. I couldn't tease any details from the background.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/426/19835329351_e0667d8e6e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/wdMfn6)DSC_1007 (https://flic.kr/p/wdMfn6)

Second Hand Pat
07-19-2015, 12:19 PM
OK, so I played a bit and saw how to save presets from a picture. So I saved the presets from the white barn and applied them to the manor house. The blacks need a little adjustment but not a bad starting point from what I can tell.

Original...

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/319/19210099853_ebec1d096f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vgwMqa)DSC_1443_orig (https://flic.kr/p/vgwMqa) [/url]

Applied white barn presets...

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/398/19642997268_2ca4c7537a_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_1443 (https://flic.kr/p/vVMuJG) [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/]

rickztahone
07-19-2015, 03:30 PM
Good preset to my eyes. The vibrance/saturation may be just a smidge high, but just barely (roof color). Sky looks natural to me. The Osprey shot still looks dark. Bring up the exposure, and deal with noise reduction after the fact.

Second Hand Pat
07-19-2015, 04:28 PM
Good preset to my eyes. The vibrance/saturation may be just a smidge high, but just barely (roof color). Sky looks natural to me. The Osprey shot still looks dark. Bring up the exposure, and deal with noise reduction after the fact.

Better? nicer balance between the wall and roof color and a small crop to remove the dip in the foreground.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/395/19216231713_850aae8530_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vh5dcT)DSC_1443 (https://flic.kr/p/vh5dcT) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)

rickztahone
07-19-2015, 04:31 PM
Better? nicer balance between the wall and roof color and a small crop to remove the dip in the foreground.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/395/19216231713_850aae8530_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vh5dcT)DSC_1443 (https://flic.kr/p/vh5dcT) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)

Looks better to me. One thing I like to do in my editing is to simply edit a capture to look like it did when I took it. A camera sensor finds it difficult to capture shade and overexposed sky perfectly like our eyes can. So, we edit to bring about that real life feel we saw when we were there. When I see this pic, I think that this is what it would look like had I been standing there. Good job.

Second Hand Pat
07-19-2015, 08:28 PM
Looks better to me. One thing I like to do in my editing is to simply edit a capture to look like it did when I took it. A camera sensor finds it difficult to capture shade and overexposed sky perfectly like our eyes can. So, we edit to bring about that real life feel we saw when we were there. When I see this pic, I think that this is what it would look like had I been standing there. Good job.

I think this is a pretty good representation of how the manor house to the naked eye Ricardo. Here's is a couple more

Original

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3817/19651626319_8f4e539195_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vWxHRr)DSC_1408_orig (https://flic.kr/p/vWxHRr) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)

Now

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/347/19812053656_d97f0e2769_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/wbHXj1)DSC_1408 (https://flic.kr/p/wbHXj1) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)

Time to more to something more interesting

Original

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3719/19842474465_2e2017bebc_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/wepSmH)DSC_1431_orig (https://flic.kr/p/wepSmH) [/url]

Now. I was rather worried about doing people but when with my gut on this and I am not unhappy with the results. Meet my daughter Diana

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/438/19219831024_537540e181_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_1431 (https://flic.kr/p/vhoE9Y) [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/]

rickztahone
07-20-2015, 12:49 PM
Great shots Pat! I like how you automatically knew which way to crop to frame in your daughter. My only suggestion is to brighten up her face a little with localized brush. This has to be a very light hand, because it is very easy to overdo brightness on people's faces. One tip that I can give you is edit a shot, move on to others, and then come back to your edit. Many times, you will see your shots much differently after you have seen your whole set. Additionally, I sometimes come back to the edit a few days later and many times I have found that I didn't quite like the wb, or the brightness, etc. It helps.

Second Hand Pat
07-20-2015, 01:02 PM
Funny you should say that Ricardo, I was thinking this morning her face was a bit dark.
Pat

rickztahone
07-20-2015, 01:13 PM
Funny you should say that Ricardo, I was thinking this morning her face was a bit dark.
Pat

don't tell her that! :)

Second Hand Pat
07-20-2015, 03:03 PM
A bit lighter osprey

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/482/19242105944_d14195ae59_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vjmPHj)DSC_1007-2 (https://flic.kr/p/vjmPHj) [/url]

and face

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/459/19676754050_32ac0769bf_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_1431 (https://flic.kr/p/vYLvsb) [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/]

rickztahone
07-20-2015, 03:20 PM
Oh yeah, that is the ticket with the Osprey, however, the sky kind of starts falling apart a bit. Did you localize edit the Osprey? Your daughters face still seems underexposed compared to the rest of her environment. With that said, it is obvious that in the uncropped version she was getting tree cover shade, so increasing it too much may be too unrealistic. I'm just commenting on the brightness in general terms.

Second Hand Pat
07-20-2015, 03:24 PM
What sure what to do about the sky. I think the osprey came out nice however. On Diana I only touched the exposure a slight bit. I am quite leery about doing local edits.

rickztahone
07-20-2015, 05:02 PM
What sure what to do about the sky. I think the osprey came out nice however. On Diana I only touched the exposure a slight bit. I am quite leery about doing local edits.

wrt the sky, see if you have a localized brush to affect just noise reduction. Apply only to the sky and bump that slider all the way to the right. See what happens. Increasing the noise reduction all the way to the right may be too much, but you will get a feel for the slider in a sky such as this. The reason you got more noise in this shot is because you are increasing the exposure by a very large degree from original. Many times you can over expose a little and then lower in post, but you run the risk of getting blown highlights which means "unrecoverable data"

SMB2
07-20-2015, 09:57 PM
Oh I like the Osprey.
I am a big fan of "white on white". I would even brush the sky lighter.
You are really are getting the hang of it.

Second Hand Pat
07-20-2015, 10:49 PM
Thanks Stan, like this? I am loving this osprey...very clean looking.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/404/19253703993_6e11acde6b_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vkogpF)DSC_1007 (https://flic.kr/p/vkogpF)

Second Hand Pat
07-20-2015, 11:38 PM
I saved the presets from the osprey above and applied it to the ones below. Alright, perhaps going a bit crazy here...

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3825/19880522851_13d9c95242_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/whLSPn)DSC_1009 (https://flic.kr/p/whLSPn) [/url]

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/408/19868082132_a68f52a15f_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_1008 (https://flic.kr/p/wgF7Cd) by

This one could be cropped better

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/309/19849325156_32c97b79ab_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_0994 (https://flic.kr/p/wf1YQ5)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3745/19688905259_8e4b8521fc_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_0982 (https://flic.kr/p/vZQMzM)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/364/19688905799_1b8a9e1f51_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_0981 (https://flic.kr/p/vZQMK6) [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/]

rickztahone
07-21-2015, 12:39 AM
Very nice Pat. Lovely set.

Second Hand Pat
07-21-2015, 12:31 PM
Thanks Ricardo, I went back thru and did some small edits.
Pat

rickztahone
07-21-2015, 06:56 PM
It is all a matter of practice.

Second Hand Pat
07-21-2015, 10:21 PM
Do you guys think that some of these ospreys are good enough for printing and framing? Would make a nice reminder of my visit for my daughter.
Pat

rickztahone
07-21-2015, 11:07 PM
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/408/19868082132_a68f52a15f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/wgF7Cd)DSC_1008 (https://flic.kr/p/wgF7Cd) by



I personally love this one and would not hesitate to print one bit. I would however boost up the contrast a bit for printing and give it a crop that would accomodate the size you are looking to print. There should be an option on LR that shows your output size for print. Very handy.

Second Hand Pat
07-22-2015, 12:58 PM
So if planning a project with multiple photos into a possible composition what are the considerations. I selected three of the osprey pictures and prepared them for printing using LR and print them on normal paper (and normal printer) but I was less in inspired. :( Is this a good course of action for determining the success of a project?
Pat

rickztahone
07-22-2015, 08:31 PM
So if planning a project with multiple photos into a possible composition what are the considerations. I selected three of the osprey pictures and prepared them for printing using LR and print them on normal paper (and normal printer) but I was less in inspired. :( Is this a good course of action for determining the success of a project?
Pat

I would have to say no. A normal printer and normal paper will make a mess of a nice captured photo. My advice would be to simply register at a place like shutterfly.com (which I do use from time to time) and make a scrap book. Better yet, sign up for an account which is free. In a few days and a few weeks in to your account, they will send you offers for free books, free prints, free posters, things of this nature. All you pay is shipping. It really is free and their services aren't bad.

Of course if you want to print from home, you will need to buy a good printer, and good paper. That isn't cheap, let me tell you. I have printed many 13x19's on my printer but run out of ink fairly quickly, especially if it is a very contrasty image.

SMB2
07-24-2015, 11:56 PM
I do a fair amount of printing but for me it is always trial and error. Not very efficient or cost effective. Often times I will go prolonged periods without printing and then do lots of images for a project, so I seem to have to relearn my steps!
Color matching, contrast and brightness on the screen rarely match on print with my first try. Printing on the same paper but smaller size works out the bugs, then I do my final print.
Again, I would love to be better at it and save ink, but I usually get the result I want. Also usually once the first print is perfected the settings usually hold for all the rest in the series.
Ricardo is right though, it takes a reasonable printer and good paper for show quality stuff. If you are just going to need occasional prints, then find a good company and let them do the work! I like making the prints and think they are the final step in the photographic process. I just wish I was better at it.

Pat your Osprey series is really quite good. You have come a long way in a short time. (The only thing that would make the images a tad better would be to get closer to the bird or have a longer lens. Then you would have to do less cropping and the images would hold up better in processing.)

Second Hand Pat
07-25-2015, 09:42 AM
Hi Stan, I am reading about some of the challenges of printing your own work but I want to try it. I like having control over my own projects. I am considering this printer. It uses pigment ink and not to pricey http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0095F5BBO/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3BB0T47C2EIK8. I am busy to determine which paper is best but will most likely get a couple types to see which I like. It could be that I will end up doing exactly as you suggest. :)

I will admit to be rather surprised that I was able to tease decent enough details from some of the osprey pictures and really like the result. I really wanted some of the osprey picture to work and they did even if in just a small format. Good training for LR I guess. :D

Getting closer to the birds was not possible. We were taking pictures from the road and all property was private. Perhaps next time this will help http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/80-400mm.htm.

SMB2
07-25-2015, 03:04 PM
Looks like a reasonable printer. Max paper size 13x19 so that should cover all you would likely want to print.
Papers can drive you crazy. There are lots of high end papers, but at the start I would stick with Canon papers that are compatible with your printer. They will have high end papers of all textures. Once you get some good results, you can experiment with other companies.

I would recommend learning the difference between the printer controlling the print colors and the computer. The latter is generally better for matching what you have on your screen. There are certainly more knowledgeable folks on the forum. As I said, I learned by the seat of my pants.

Long lenses for wildlife/birding will also be a source of frustration and have a learning curve. You will hear people say that they get great shots with one size fits all tele zooms. And you can. But it is not always about sharpness. Lens speed in acquiring focus on a fast moving subject, focusing in low light, how the background is rendered (bokeh) are just as important as sharpness. I have seen stunning wildlife images from all makes of lenses but the number of keepers goes up with the price tag.
The second edition of the 80-400mm is a nice lens. If you add a 1.4 Tele Converter to get more length is is pretty slow. I shoot birds mostly from a tripod, even birds in flight and I think that adds an element to successful images. Many don't agree.
If birds become your passion you will grow into it. Take your time. I can't tell you how many workshops I have seen where people show up with the most expensive camera and lens and don't know how to use either of them.
Keep an eye out on the Nikon USA website for refurbished lenses. You can save some money and know it is at factory standards.

rickztahone
07-25-2015, 03:32 PM
Pat, I buy my paper from a great place but atm I can not recall the name. I will text you later

Second Hand Pat
07-25-2015, 10:48 PM
Looks like a reasonable printer. Max paper size 13x19 so that should cover all you would likely want to print.
Papers can drive you crazy. There are lots of high end papers, but at the start I would stick with Canon papers that are compatible with your printer. They will have high end papers of all textures. Once you get some good results, you can experiment with other companies.

I would recommend learning the difference between the printer controlling the print colors and the computer. The latter is generally better for matching what you have on your screen. There are certainly more knowledgeable folks on the forum. As I said, I learned by the seat of my pants.

Long lenses for wildlife/birding will also be a source of frustration and have a learning curve. You will hear people say that they get great shots with one size fits all tele zooms. And you can. But it is not always about sharpness. Lens speed in acquiring focus on a fast moving subject, focusing in low light, how the background is rendered (bokeh) are just as important as sharpness. I have seen stunning wildlife images from all makes of lenses but the number of keepers goes up with the price tag.
The second edition of the 80-400mm is a nice lens. If you add a 1.4 Tele Converter to get more length is is pretty slow. I shoot birds mostly from a tripod, even birds in flight and I think that adds an element to successful images. Many don't agree.
If birds become your passion you will grow into it. Take your time. I can't tell you how many workshops I have seen where people show up with the most expensive camera and lens and don't know how to use either of them.
Keep an eye out on the Nikon USA website for refurbished lenses. You can save some money and know it is at factory standards.

Thanks Stan, I will admit to not knowing all I sure know and ATM I am a disaster with a tripod. I think it would help of I was the size of a normal adult but most kids tower over me :(. This lens choice is not cast in stone but you have another recommendation. Good idea on the keeping an eye on the Nikon website.
Pat

Second Hand Pat
07-25-2015, 10:48 PM
Pat, I buy my paper from a great place but atm I can not recall the name. I will text you later

Thanks Ricardo :)

Second Hand Pat
07-25-2015, 10:57 PM
Here is my final edits on these particular images. Some of the backgrounds are still a bit muddy. I also made the blacks a bit darker. Comments are welcome.
Pat

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/319/19824781959_66fe0777e6_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/wcRbZv)DSC_1142 (https://flic.kr/p/wcRbZv) [/url]

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/283/19823461310_0c06a0f5d5_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_1009 (https://flic.kr/p/wcJqpG)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/344/20016704481_ef0355d5a6_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_1008 (https://flic.kr/p/wuNQSv)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/499/19985195226_e08ae98a58_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_0994 (https://flic.kr/p/ws2mgu) Husband (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/340/20003693682_5fcd82f38e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/wtEado)DSC_0982 (https://flic.kr/p/wtEado)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3790/20011437785_2e9d53b5b9_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_0981 (https://flic.kr/p/wukRgp)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/331/19823462590_33f1c0d3e8_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)DSC_1007 (https://flic.kr/p/wcJqML) [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/]

Second Hand Pat
07-26-2015, 09:14 AM
Does Lightroom allow you to create watermarks/signatures/copy-write and add it to your photos?

Ok, found the watermarks, how to create, apply them as preset and how to export them into a photo...but can you move the watermark?
Pat

SMB2
07-26-2015, 10:06 AM
Yup.
Right click the image>click EXPORT>Scroll down to watermark>Scroll the small box and find EDIT WATERMARK> click this and you will get a screen to adjust the watermark in any way you would like.

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Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nyc82FCVsM&list=TLh7gjaJi6IEMyNjA3MjAxNQ

Second Hand Pat
07-26-2015, 10:30 AM
That helped alot Stan, could use a little finesse but

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/510/19402789014_38d53ee992_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vyync5)[/url] [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/] (https://flic.kr/p/vyync5)

rickztahone
07-26-2015, 11:28 AM
Pat, I like the boosted contrast now because when you print them they will pop more than the way you had them before. The first pic of the set has a much nicer sky (more blue). Consider adjusting that one to fit the others if you could so that it doesn't completely clash with the rest of the set when you print. Fluidity is great in a set. However, if you plan to not have them displayed as a set, you can leave them as is.

Second Hand Pat
07-26-2015, 11:36 AM
Thank Ricardo, I would actually bin these pictures into three groups, the in-flight with light backgrounds, in-flight with natural sky and the nestbox set. There are some I have not shown you. :D I am not planning on printing all of them but allowing my daughter to pick three or four. I did not adjust the contrast but deepened the blacks a bit.

rickztahone
07-26-2015, 11:46 AM
Thank Ricardo, I would actually bin these pictures into three groups, the in-flight with light backgrounds, in-flight with natural sky and the nestbox set. There are some I have not shown you. :D I am not planning on printing all of them but allowing my daughter to pick three or four. I did not adjust the contrast but deepened the blacks a bit.

Good plan. I am sure your daughter will love any one of these. If you need any further help, or you need some form of edit, just let me know.

Second Hand Pat
07-26-2015, 11:51 AM
Good plan. I am sure your daughter will love any one of these. If you need any further help, or you need some form of edit, just let me know.

You know I will. Time to move to something else like the photos where I had the WB set to tungsten blue :(

rickztahone
07-26-2015, 12:15 PM
You know I will. Time to move to something else like the photos where I had the WB set to tungsten blue :(

That is easy peasy for LR :). Batch edit them together and set the WB accordingly.

Second Hand Pat
07-26-2015, 12:34 PM
Original

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/301/19405723544_b24fb01251_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vyPpwq)DSC_0396-1 (https://flic.kr/p/vyPpwq) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)

Edited. Set the WB to daylight as it rendered the house colors better.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/337/20002091256_150e585c8f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/wtvWSm)DSC_0396 (https://flic.kr/p/wtvWSm) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129594174@N08/)

rickztahone
07-26-2015, 12:40 PM
Told ya, easy, peasy, just like my daughter tells me :)

Second Hand Pat
07-26-2015, 12:57 PM
Yup :D do you like the crop? Wanted to keep the table in the far right mid foreground. The trees were huge.

rickztahone
07-26-2015, 01:06 PM
Yup :D do you like the crop? Wanted to keep the table in the far right mid foreground. The trees were huge.

yes, I saw the bench and loved the size reference for the trees. I wish the table was a little brighter, but it may make it look unnatural.