Planted 105Gal paradise for BestGermandiscus

[BestGermandiscus]

Hello there.
Its my daring to create planted paradise for Stendker discus.
Im 40 and enough with neon fish.
I hope my english language skills dont scare You off and somethink from all of that will be taken as helpfull.
Story of big restart,first step:

I move my 5ft 105gal tank to darkest corner (emty)
And start to create Pro substrat: 1st. layer_Volcano ProScape 2x9L + biobacterial powder
2nd. layer _TropicaPlantGrowth
3rd. layer_inert gravel 2-3mm
Its 11:58p.m. in Riga that means tomorrow I'll start planting jobs.
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[Filip]

Hello and good luck with your start.
Im looking forward to see your progres,and especialy your Stendkers.

[jmf3460]

looking forward to watching this

[BestGermandiscus]

Forgotten : EasyLife Fe sticks under inert gravel.901119011290113

[BestGermandiscus]

Im back.Main think :all planted tank progress must be without any haste.
Planted works :I was searching in net work information for a long time about plants who can stay and thriwe in 28'C-30'C/82'F-86'F and I even have a result_my list:
1.background_Valisneria Spiralis (stright)Tiger 25roots
2.background middle main focus_Echinodorus Blehery 2roots
3.backround_Cryptocaryne Petchi 15roots and right background corner Cryptocaryne Wisli 15roots
4.Cryptocaryne Wendtii Geen 50roots,Cryptocaryne Wendtii Brown20-30roots
( Tropica123grow up was taken and scares me allmoust till panic-such little one roots - impossible to count)
5.front carpet plant_Cryptocaryne Parva approx.19x5roots
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I'm using dry planting (follow world aquascape champion Oliver Knott method)http://www.pbase.com/plantella/xxlarge_tank

It was restart so i has old bioloaded filter Eheim 2128th 1050L/277gph and old water 80L/21g was used (pic.)

[BestGermandiscus]

Simplydiscus not responding=lost 60min about plants,so again:Step two_planting jobs.I'll use dry planting method will follow step by step to world aquscape champion Oliver Knott [URL="http://www.pbase.com/plantella/xxlarge_tank"]
I was searching very long time: what plants can stand with 28'C-30'C/82'F-86'F and even thrive and I get a result:
My plant list:
1.Valisneria Spiralis (stright)Tiger 25roots/background_in my case left side
2.Echinodorus Blehery 2roots/background middle main focus
3.Cryptocaryne Petchi 15roots/background_left side in mine
4.Cryptocaryne Wisli 15roots/backgrouns_right side
5.Cryptocaryne Green 50roots,Cryptocaryne Brown 30roots
(Tropica 123grow up was taken-allmoust get a panic-such many little roots )
6.Cryptocaryne Parva/carpet plant I've 19x5roots
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Pics. are after 65hours,lets see what hapens later !
Its 330L/86gal of real water with Odyssea light 2x80w what make 0.48/1.8wpg
And dont think about light spectrum just take 6500K/daylight its cheap (my comes from UK)
About lighting time and WATER CHANGES later.

[BestGermandiscus]

About lighting: without any doubt cheapest daylight 6500K
I've Odyssea 2x80w its 0.48/1.8wpg (no need more) and blue nightlight 90128

About WATERCHANGES and lighting hour later.

[Filip]

I like the stone background.
Is it a styrofoam custom made?
Is it going to be a juwie growout tank or adult discus display tank?

[BestGermandiscus]

Lets go:tank was restarted on first minute of 4th.september 2015.
Filter:Eheim 2128th 1050L/277gph its 3.2tank in h.(old filter with good bacterial capacity)
First waterchange after 21h=80L/21gal/24% white bacterial cloudiness are dissapered.(Tetra Bactozym 10$ in JBL volcano)
Like I said before Im using O.Knott method and it is:first 14days waterchanges every 3rd day 15%/50L/13gal than 20%weekly
Lights ON :first 2weeks/from 04.sept-17.sept/for six hours
from 3rd week/18.sept.+2h=8hours=2:00p.m-10:00pm than nightlight from 9:30-8:00a.m.
What's going on in these days with plants:
1.Valisneria Spiralis Tiger stop mortify(15%) and even start growing =7new healthy roots(1i)
2.Echinodorus Blehreri some leafs get brown and die off but have 5new salatgreen leafs
3.Cryptocaryne Pechi and Wisly dont lose any leaf and looks greate (it is slow growers)
4.Cryptocaryne Wendtii Green = great ,looks even bigger (loose just few leafs from hundred)
5.Cryptocaryne Brown (in a planting day all was a green)=leafs start to chenge colour! becomes brown-lightly healthy brown
6.Cryptocaryne Parva-carpet plant = not established yet but looks great under night light -in darkgreen colour,just few leafs loosed from a hundred.
Water are little brown coloured even after 14days/5wch x50L/13gal (I think its JBL volcano and TropicaPlantGrowth)
That 5stones are from my collection:every stone and inert gravel was carefully boiled and shower washed !
to be continued...
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images are after full two weeks

[rickztahone]

Good start. I always use caution with these type of substrates, but I have seen this particular substrate, and it is much finer than your regular run of the mill gravel. I wish you success raising out discus in this tank. Good luck.

[pastry]

Good start. I always use caution with these type of substrates, but I have seen this particular substrate, and it is much finer than your regular run of the mill gravel. I wish you success raising out discus in this tank. Good luck.

Agree. If still time, replace with sand if you want substrate. May be a hassle but you'll be glad later.

[BestGermandiscus]

Day: 30th.
T=27'C/80'F (with fish will keep at 28.5'C/83.3'F)
Valisneria have 15-18 new roots,old leafs becomes little bit with brown algea but less less less and its possible to easy wipe.
Cryptocaryne's Betchii and Wisly stay good -that are realy slow growers.
Cryptocaryne Parva -rooted better but still in proccess.
Echinodorus Bleheri have 6and5 new leafs but old ones have brown algea90738907399074090741
Fresh today pics. 30days after restart.
Fish will arrive on 1.november or earlier.

[discuspaul]

We're wishing you all the best of luck with your Stendkers, Juris.
Keep us informed of your progress with this project.

[BestGermandiscus]

Restart_Day_40
Fight with brown algea:start to add Aquarium Munster Conditioneer,less WCH,lights are 10h30min ON.91014
T=27.5'C/81.5'F
Dark gravel "Flamingo" was added.

[BestGermandiscus]

Restart compleate,its day_45
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Echinodorus Bleheri:on picsture all leafs are new,old ones was cut off.

[Filip]

Its going great , so far . Only thing that is missing here are the Stendkers :D

[BestGermandiscus]

Day_50:
Valisneria shoot new roots throw Cryptocarynes jungle.Glass must be cleaned every 10th day.Little Crypt.Parva looks not so good.
Start to add EasyLife Ferro.
200ml Carbo (Liqued co2)are used in 25days and its with good results -no algea,Echinodorus looks great,Cryptocarynes are growing up.
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[jmf3460]

looking good, crypts are bushing out I can tell.

[Jbell]

Any updates? Looking good

[Jack L]

just saw you thread, looks like you went all in on the quality substrate layers! i'll be curious how that works for you.
tank looking good.

[pastry]

Juris, any updates?

[BestGermandiscus]

Its 12.february:Afer 4month and 22days at last I've got my STENDKER discus !So...Im IN.
No ideal pics yet to discribe them but its 12Stendker discus at 3.5' till 4'
T=83.3'F-84'F ,triple feeding with ''StendkersGoodHeart"
WCH 30% each 6th day + 5% in between if have a time.

p.s. Im still have a plants but it looks it will be not forever! Biggest ''Dark Angel" not eating (day 17) , 6fishes eat like pigs,5like chickens from buttom.
I was visit downtown shop and find ''my discus'' allready in 100gl tank (same as mine)....and no one call me with saying :Juris Your Discus are arrived-pick them !bla bla bla (three floor words)

[jmf3460]

30% water change every 6th day???????????

[BestGermandiscus]

I'll try to make 2x30%.But ,You know I realy dislike to disturbing them (I hope fish have short memory).
And its realy nice to watch - all feed are eating for 100%,water crystal clear and under night light fish looks so colourfull,Blue Diamands are electro blue.

[Filip]

I'll try to make 2x30%.But ,You know I realy dislike to disturbing them (I hope fish have short memory).
And its realy nice to watch - all feed are eating for 100%,water crystal clear and under night light fish looks so colourfull,Blue Diamands are electro blue.

I wouldnt worry about disturbing them with water change if I were you. Believe me , they are more disturbt by not doing it.
Good luck with them Juris and hope to see some pictures soon .

[BestGermandiscus]

ThankYou Filip.
Yesterday 30% today15%. T=+-84'F
Dark Angel still wont eat.
If fish will eat like these first half month it will mean: 500gr bricket will be eaten in 45days! And I've only three brickets...
Ps.best pics will be publiced.

[BestGermandiscus]

last week WCH=78%
I've some pics in album.
I'll try to get best pics with my Sony Xperia

[Filip]

ThankYou Filip.
Yesterday 30% today15%. T=+-84'F
Dark Angel still wont eat.
If fish will eat like these first half month it will mean: 500gr bricket will be eaten in 45days! And I've only three brickets...
Ps.best pics will be publiced.

I think that they will eat even more in future , once they relax and got accustomed on your water parameters and environment. So get ready to buy some more food. :)

[Filip]

last week WCH=78%
I've some pics in album.
I'll try to get best pics with my Sony Xperia

If you have done 3 x 25% WC in one week that's not equal to 75% weekly WC.The WC math doesn't work that way.

P.s. Expecting your pics from stendkers

[Dhavalsp]

Tank looks nice...what are you using for filtration? 30 % weekly might be a problem but doable if you reduce the feeding (which will affect growth), heavy filtration and extra cautiousness - turning the filter off during feeding and maintaining intake filter.

genuine advice would be to do 50% WC every other day till they hit like 5.5 which will take about 2-4 months on your feeding and then gradually decrease WC while closely monitoring how the fish are reacting to the change in schedule. As far as their memory, I think they eventually start loving water changes, my fish are always under the water stream flow in the tank during WC and I use water from the tap and dechlorinate it in the tank.

Looking forward to see some update pics. good luck!

[BestGermandiscus]

Hi,Im Discus keeper.I'm keeping Discus 43days.
Black Engel start eating on day 38-40 but a little.All others all day are vwaiting for feeding time at 1pm,5pm and last 8pm.
If first 500gr Stendkers 'Goodheart' bricket was for 38days ,next started will be enough fo 28-32days!95641956429564395644
Im doing WCH over the top:10%,24%,9%,36%,15%,15%+9%,15%+9% =7days=470L

[BestGermandiscus]

95645 All my 12 Stendker discus.Born in 2015.October.
I've Eheim 2128th filter with capacity 1050lph/3.18aquas in h.Lights 2x80w/10h50min than night light.T=28.8'C/84'F
My discus breathe 90-110times in min./till 125 after good feeding.
I have: 1Black Angel,1Marlboro Red,1Blood Pigion,1Blood Pigion Red,4Blue Diamond,4Brilliant Turquoise(?)
Right now biggest are Blood Pigion Red and Red Marlboro approx.=9cm/3.5i but smallest are Pigion Blood 6.5cm/2.5i

[Filip]

Nice looking discus Juris.Good luck with them.
From what you wrote in your post I have a remark on your filter flow rate. 250 gph is too low for a >100 gallon tank.
I would try putting the second one as a backup.
Do you have decent surface movement (oxygen)with this flow rate or at least an airstone in the tank?

Also if you can improve your WC regime.
It would be better and easier for you maybe if you do 2 x 70% weekly and cleaner water for your Discus instead of doing 15% every day.

[BestGermandiscus]

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My Stendker Discus after 50days.
At last,all fishes are eating WELL.(like You Filip say:500gr 2nd GoodHeart blister gone in 20days!)
Im very hapy about Black Angel-its one of my favorit fish,after 43days fish start eat and are looking great.
Now Im thinking about RO5-75 (pH is too high=7.8) and how to delivery GoodHeart blisters from Berlin (http://www.diskusfischeberlin.de/) to Riga.

[BestGermandiscus]

Full 80days__Discus+plants.
Biggest are 2x12cm/4.7244i and smallest are 3x10cm/3.937i
Triple feeding and weekly Im changing 400L till 480L/once a week big cleaning jobs with 35% WCH
Fish are healty and allways hungry ,they are like chaindogs who beg for food.
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[BestGermandiscus]

And of course Im feeding with Stendkers Good Heart.
Best food for best discusfishes'
All what I must to do its cut and defrost cutted meal for 5min.9702597026970279702897029
p.s. Polyster box with 10blister travel to my house 36hours and become totally frozen !!!

[Davidzil]

Great looking bunch!

I am curious, what is the growth rate on your discus?

[jmf3460]

tank is really coming a long OP. ill admit I figured you would wind up with stunted discus trying to grow them out in a planted tank, and that you would fail like many before you have done. But the fish and tank look really good. the plants look great, especially the placement of the jungle val. crypts are getting really bushy

[BestGermandiscus]

Thank You for incoming replies.
Fish was pretty expensive for my wallet so I decide: if didnt have enough money ,i must do my best to get bigger and more expensive discusfish.Water smells good ,are clean,allways all food are eaten all in 2minutes.Of course I have all notes about all week waterworks.
In that 80days all fish was fed three times a day 1pm,5pm and 8pm.Results on hand:
biggest from 9cm grow up till 12+/4.7i (=+3cm/1.2i)
smallest from 6.5cm grow up till 10+/3.9i(=+3.5cm/1.4i)
Some brown algea still exist on val.and crypts.
pH are too high at 7.8 so next step in program:RO5-75 it will lover pH and brown algea.
All pics. was take by Sony mobile so arent good but fish are looking realy good.brilliant Turquoise looks great under night light but its just question of time and they will be looking good when reach 14cm/5.5i size.Biggest Blood Pigion Red looks cool today.97057

[discuspaul]

Everything is looking good for you now, Juris.
I'm pleased for you - keep up the good work.

[BestGermandiscus]

97174Red Pigion.97176Brilliant Turquoise.97175Black Angel.97177Pigion Blood Red.

[jmf3460]

brilliant turquoise are your best fish IMO. They all look a tad bit on the skinny side but it may be because they are still young. Great looking fish.

[BestGermandiscus]

Brown algea disaster.
Cleaning works in two parts in two days :2h+2h.
Pics later,fish are growing up.

[Rapture]

What do you think made this planted tank a successful grow out tank compared to other planted tanks where the fish end up stunted?

[William1]

Are you using pressurized CO2? I didn't see it mentioned. I would highly recommend it for a planted tank.

[Filip]

Nice fish Juris. So far so good .
I hope you will win over the brown algae . Ancistrus fish are known to eat this kind of algae, you can try them out.

Rapture , it's still too early to evaluate the final outcome of the fish. 1 inch growth in 3 months its not considered a big succes by experienced discus keepers.

William, while co2 does wonders for plants it can compromise the discus growth and health, so I would not reccomend it at least until discus are full grown ( +18 months age ).

[BestGermandiscus]

What do you think made this planted tank a successful grow out tank compared to other planted tanks where the fish end up stunted?

1) Food:every time all cutted pieces are eaten for 100% in 2min.! No piece fall down till gravel (ofcourse Stenker Good Heart play a main role)
2) Water changes: in first 11weks 100%-150%weekly WCH but biggest was ''only'' 36% in change.(tank have own bio balance-and I disagree with USA method as 80_100% daily WCH)
3) Most important thing: once a week Im cleaning gravel (Im take out 5mm up layer and carefully wash in bucket,than replace back
Big tank its important,simpliest water plants but a lot in a start (Oliver Knott method-world aquascape champion)
And T=28.9'C/84F' not more (if fish are above 5cm/2) My tank get oxigen only from surface agetation !

[BestGermandiscus]

''it's still too early to evaluate the final outcome of the fish. 1 inch growth in 3 months its not considered a big succes by experienced discus keepers.''
I agree some fish are still at 11cm/4.3 ...BUT tank its closed eco system,every fish have only 30L/8gal and more than inch in 80days its like story about Chinese chicken for Mcd:3kg/6lb in few monthes!
Pics.after big cleanings with daily WCH 30%+30%+30%976209762197622
7th May its my birthday and discus 103rd day in my tank.
I feel even with eye:discus are growing up,just patience.

[Filip]

Well, happy birthday to you Juris :-).

[ktm4us6]

Looks very nice, your plants are growing good.

[BestGermandiscus]

Hello.At last -brown algea dissaster are giving up ! Plants each day become better and looks just greate !
Maybe its thanks to each day WCH (cold water mixed with boiled water)
Day_141st_changed:8045L/2117G of water! Its 800buckets off and 800buckets back.
All that time was with triplfeeding.(Thanks to wife and mama)
On 1st july my Stendkerdiscus will be full 9month 'old'-its mean pictures.
Brown algea dissaster was so powerfull and I just start to do nothing (just dasnt have a time for that) quick WCH after work and wonder just happens!
All plants start to strive up and looks so plentiful.I AM A WINNER!

[BestGermandiscus]

Growth rate since 24.april till 18.june.(54days)
1.Red Blood Pigion +1cm=13cm/5.11i (+0.39i)
2.Red Pigion +~1cm=12.8cm/5i
3.Red Pigion +~1cm=12.5cm/4.9i
4.Black Angel +1.2cm=12.2cm/4.8i (+0.47i)
5.Blue Diamond +~1cm=12.8cm/5i
6.Blue Diamond +~1cm=12.2cm/4.8i
7.Blue Diamond +2cm=12.0cm/4.7i (little one +0.8i)
8.Brilliant Turkis +~1cm=12.5cm/4.9i
9.Brilliant Turkis +~1cm=12.2cm/4.8i
10.Brilliant Turkis +~1cm=12.2cm/4.8i
11.Brilliant Turkis +2cm=12.0cm/4.7i (little one +0.8i)

[two utes]

You have done a nice job with this set up, and obviously put in a lot of thought and work to get it where its at. Many on here would argue about your water change schedule, but l'm sure you are taking everything into account. I like it. Good luck achieving what you desire.

[BestGermandiscus]

Discus in planted tank 150days.
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[BestGermandiscus]

Pic.n.432.:WCH -120L/31.5Gal/36% Something happen with my tap water,wait for clear water allmoust three hours ! (-1500L/400Gal/2$)
Echinodorus are out of water at -60l/16gal some stem of Valisneria are longer than 100cm/3ft4i
Feed at this water line:no problem-fish eat quickly and pick up from buttom.99179

[BestGermandiscus]

Last 7days WCH: 36%,18%,18%,36%,24%,21%,39%.
Temperature changes after 18%-36% WCH...0.2'C-0.8'C but Eheim 210w heater pick up 0.5'C in 30-35min.
One of Blue Diamond stop eat,I hope it will be not for 43days (Black Angel)

[Filip]

I think that for a first time discus keeping , the things are going great so far for you Juris
Keep up the good work and keep posting progress pictures.

[BestGermandiscus]

At last Eheim white fine foam are changed,that was foam full with bacterial slime !(from restart 10moths10days) Just great,it means bacteria are alive even thrive at 28.9'C/84'F
Next one must be changed in100days=25th october
p.s.:Stendkers GoodHeart 500gr blister are enought only for 20days_directly like on germans home page was written.

[Filip]

At last Eheim white fine foam are changed,that was foam full with bacterial slime !(from restart 10moths10days) Just great,it means bacteria are alive even thrive at 28.9'C/84'F
Next one must be changed in100days=25th october
p.s.:Stendkers GoodHeart 500gr blister are enought only for 20days_directly like on germans home page was written.

Juris,
Having white foam in the canister filter that has not been changed for 10 months its the worst you can do for your discus fish .
If you use it in canister it has to be replaced at least once a month , otherwise its just a food for pathogens and diseases .
And the slime and stink you saw on the floss is not made from the Nitro bacteria but from unwanted heterotrophic bacteria that we constantly fight against with cleaning , siphoning and water changing .

[BestGermandiscus]

Thank You,Filip.I will replace it each 30days
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Its Eheim last pad.
Allways was watching how strong are Eheim OUT and if water stream are weaker than pad must be replaced.
We have a good zoo shops in center and I'll get a new 3pcs. immedeately.

[Filip]

Yes , do that Juris buy new and replace them at least monthly .
Having a prefilter sponge on your intake of the canister is also a great idea .
It will greatly reduce the amount of gunk in your canister filter materials . But you will have to take it out of aquarium and clean it mannualy at least once a week .
You will be amazed by the amount of gunk and debris a prefilter sponge can collect in just a couple of days .

[Rapture]

Juris, thank you for your updates. I am raising 7 Stendkers in about 340 liters (tank plus a sump).

[BestGermandiscus]

____________________Stendkers Discus growth rate from 6month till 9month of age are :10cm/4' and 12cm/4.5'____________________
My Stendkers Discus are:
1.Red Blood Pigion +2cm=14cm/5.5'
2.Blood Pigion +1.5cm=13.3cm/5.2'
3.Blood Pigion +1.7cm=13.2cm/5.2'

4.Black Angel +2cm=13cm/5.1'

5.Blue Diamond +2cm=13.8cm/5.4'
6.Blue Diamond +1.8cm=13cm/5.1'
7.Blue Diamond +2.7cm=12.7cm/5' (little one)

8.Brilliant Turquoise +1.7cm=13.2cm/5.2'
9.Brilliant Turquoise +2cm=13.2cm/5.2'
10.Brilliant Turquoise +1.8cm=13cm/5.1'
11.Brilliant Turquoise +2.5cm=12.5cm/4.9'
Smallest Discusfish get the best additional cm 2.5 and 2,7.Its one inch in 90days
On 23rd july Im 180days with Discusfish in planted tank,in that time 10920L/2873G was changed.Its makes 60.6L/16G daily.
All that time fish was fed 3times a day:one Stendker GoodHeart 500gr blister in 20days.(4.5 blisters in 90days are gone)
I will continue in that way till fish reach one year of age and its 1.november ,than I'll feed them twice a day but with same amount of food.

[BestGermandiscus]

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120L/36%/31.52G WCH all fish allways in right corner,after WCH Discus are very curious and swimming around all together,at 8pm supper time -fish knows that.
Valisnerias stems are getting very light green and die off but Echinodorus and Cryptocaryne Green are doing very well.

[BestGermandiscus]

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Its my gests maked picture and last one with normal plants.
I didnt change my daylights in a time (3000h_10month) and get a new brown algea problem in compleatly establishet tank !
My Eheim 2128Thermo get some error and stop heating !
Blue Diamont WONT eat for 130days!!! (since 9th JULY till 15th NOVEMBER)
10 Stendker blisters was enough for 218days (20.apr-22.nov.) get new 10 blister for 100€ from Berlin without termobox just in newspaper !
My electricity bill go up for 20€...monthly food takes 18.44€....
But Im discuskeeper.

[BestGermandiscus]

____________________Stendkers Discus growth rate from 12month till 18month of age are :14cm/5.5' and 15cm/6'____________________
My Stendkers Discus are 14month old:
1.Red Blood Pigion =16.2cm/6.4'
2.Blood Pigion =15.8cm/6.2'
3.Blood Pigion =16cm/6.3'

4.Black Angel =14.8cm/5.8'

5.Blue Diamond =15.7cm/6.1+'
6.Blue Diamond =14/5.5' (wont eat 129days!)
7.Blue Diamond =14.3cm/5' (was little one)

8.Brilliant Turquoise =15.8cm/6.2'
9.Brilliant Turquoise =15.5cm/6.1'
10.Brilliant Turquoise =15.2cm/6'
11.Brilliant Turquoise =14.7cm/5.8'

January 27th=full14month of age/feeding from one year of age are tvice a day:1p.m. and 8p.m./10x500gr StendkerGoodHeart blisters in218days./WCH_40%+20%+10%weekly
T=28.6'C/83.5'F Green paradise are lost (brown algea +Green algea attack) Reason: unknown
Will start feed once a day when all fishes reaches 15.24+cm/6' or from 18month of age (1.may)

[Phillydubs]

How is that fish alive if not eating? Does it look emaciated? Ill?

[BestGermandiscus]

How is that fish alive if not eating? Does it look emaciated? Ill?
Fish are cold blooded,when the fish are ready to eat she just start eating.
Black Angel wont eat for 43days !Now Black Angel are eating goog and looks just ideal (red eyes,colourfull without any emaciated place on body)
Yes,after 90 days without food I was worried about that fish,try to change more water daily (42%,30%,27%,15%,18%,27%-CHECK RECORDS) ,heat up till 29.1'C/84.4'F-without any resolts!
Blue Diamond in that 129days lost approx. 1.5cm/0.6'-right now fish eats good (x73days)and looks normal.I'll look at him carefully and if fish after 90days get some extra CM-I will report it.
Eyes are red and look good(arent telescopic),stomack are getting full as after 'breakfast' as well after supper.
I was searching any reports on network...but 129days-its a first place.

[Dhavalsp]

HI Juris,

"Blue Diamond in that 129days lost approx. 1.5cm/0.6'-"

are you saying that the fish reduced in size? or did you mean that it grew at a slower rate, that is, grew only xx cm which was 1.5 cm less than average expected growth rate for that period(and age). I see from your thread that you keep thorough record but I was just curious about fish getting smaller due to not eating.

Also, please post some pics, curious to see how they look now.

[BestGermandiscus]

''lost 1.5cm'' I mean in that time all others get extra +2.2cm till 2.7cm but Blue Diamond just +1cm!
I'll try to get some good pic,fishes look colourfull -plants are bad...

[Dhavalsp]

Got it. thanks for clarifying.

[jmf3460]

Juris, your fish and plants look wonderful. You have done such a great job with these fish and with documenting the whole thing here. looking forward to seeing the updated pictures.

[Jack L]

fish and plants have filled in nicely, thanks for update.

p.s. that is a LONG hunger strike!

[BestGermandiscus]

2017.February.
Full 15month (2015.11.01-2017.02.01)106704106705106706106707

''Striker''- in first pic.4th, from left side,in last pic. 3rd from left (closer to window)
In last two days WCH 40%and40%,gravel was washed.

[BestGermandiscus]

Todays tank_2017.03.03._ looks ugly and must be RESTARTED.107704
So...like allways,first of all I've a idea.
And it is:
1) all tank stuff will be wiped out in 3-4 waterchanges (40%) till glass.
2)in 2-3times tank glass will be coverde with ''black bazalt sand'' (pic.att.)107705
Just 0.6mm its 0.25i
3)Allready have an agreement with black clay master who will made 4 black clay pot for Echinodorus grisebachii 'Bleherae' x2 and 2x Echinodorus grisebachii 'Amazonicus' - Amazon Sword.(for corners and middle clouse to back glass)
2 pot for Sagittaria subulata (clouse to viewing glass)
And 2 big double long pot for Cryptocoryne wendtii "green"
4)black clay pot will be filled with ADA Power sand and Tropica Soil Powder (pic.att.)107706107707
5)additional technik will be:Eheim Experiance 250 with Eheim Reeflex UV500 (pic.att.)107708107709
As need Tropica Fe capsules will be attached (pic.incl.)107710
Hope it helps to get clean good eco sistem for my Stendkers.

[BestGermandiscus]

First deal.
Eheim 2128 the new head is ordered.
Old one was worked since 2007.october in non stop !
80640 hours multiply with 1050L/275G...its approx.84.672.000L/22.282.105G (its a lake)
ThankYou Eheim, I get a good price:121€, delivery for free.

[BestGermandiscus]

______________________Its 1.april 2017,my Stendker Discus are 18month of age.____________________

1.Red Blood Pigion was 16.2cm +0.3cm=16.5cm/6.5i (female)/all Discus last measurement __27.01.2017__

2.Red Pigion from 15.8cm /+0.2cm/ to 16cm/6.3i (female) Its couple Nr.I/eggs was till ~50
3.Red Pigion from 16.0cm /+0.2cm/ to 16.2cm/6.4i (male) Its a couple Nr.I /male do not fertilize/later try to help couple /Nr.III/fertilize eggs

4.Black Angel from 14.8cm /+0.5cm/ to 15.3cm/6i (male)

5.Blue Diamond from 15.7cm /+0.3cm/ to 16.0cm/6.3i (male with long upper fin sharp ended)/try to fertilize eggs couple Nr.III
6.Blue Diamond from 14cm /+0.6cm/ to 14.6cm/5.7i (male who dont eat 129days!) coupe Nr.II
7.Blue Diamond from 14.3cm /+0.1cm/ to 14.4cm/5.6i ( was a little BD_female) Nr.5.+7. Its a Blue Diamond couple Nr.III

8.Brilliant Turquoise from 15.8cm /+0.2cm/ to 16cm/6.3i (female_2x eggs till~50 with (BD Disus Nr.6/striker) /couple Nr.II
9.Brilliant Turquoise from 15.5cm/+0.5cm/ to 16cm/6.3i (male?_female?)
10.Brilliant Turquoise from 15.2cm/+0.6cm/ to 15.8cm/6.1i (male?_female?)
11.Brilliant Turquoise from 14.7cm/+0.3cm/ to 15.cm/5.9i (male-who are trying almost 40days!to be in couple with biggest Red Blood Pigion)

How I determine the gender of my Stendker Discus:in spawning time the genital papilla are clearly ''readable'' _males have sharped but female very rounded
WCH_March=2390L/629Gal_7.24aq._77.09L/20Gal_daily=23% each day_max=150L/39Gal_min=40L/10.5Gal 45%-12% feed 1p.m+8p.m.

[BestGermandiscus]

Its 1.may.30days gone since my last update.
Lots of work to do: i must suck out all gravel till glass but with my little 3/4 'piton' it was ''mission impossible''.
With 40% WCH only 8lbs gravel was out of tank,reason: too big vulcanic JBL stones and 'piton' just choke.
So taday I bought '1' inch ...and that is a real 'piton'.
1inch hose only give up when meet with Cryptocaryne roots.
I get my 8 black clay pot...that is handmade wonder-very very attractive.
to be continued...

[Dhavalsp]

Juris, looking forward to some pics! keep up the hard work!

[BestGermandiscus]

I want say Thank You to all people who was interesting in my threat "Planted 105Gal paradise for BestGermandiscus" 9018 views,79 replies,601day.
Every one are invited to next Threat "Flooded Amazon Gardens"
It will be interesting restart,upgraded with new attached technic.
The best substrate "Hight End" on market will be placed in interesting hand made black pot.
Plants of highest qulitaty from aquasabi.com are purchased and will be delivered.
New light bulbs,macro and micro nutrition, more and deeper waters .
And the same,almost full grown discusfishes from Stendker.
All interested simplydiscus and all other gests are welcome.
And of course all things will be managed by me:discuskeeper_473days of hard work experiance.