Am I doing anything wrong?

[BGK2]

Hi All,

I recently bought 6 discus (about 12 days ago).
They are about 9months old.
I have a 50gal tank, with 2 external filters.
I have been doing so much research here before i started with my discus tank, but still things don't seem to be going as smoothly as it should.

My tank is bare bottom, temperature is at 28.5 degrees celcius (about 83f), the ph is about 8.2
I do 90% water change daily, with water straight from the tap (I add seachem prime for each water change). I have measured the ph from my tank water (ph8.2) and the water from the tap (ph8.4).
I have fully cycled my tank (for about 3months since I was waiting for some decent discus to be available)

My discus, the first week seem to be coming out quite often.
Although only 2 or 3 of them were eating (i feed them tetra colorbits, beefheart mix, freeze dried bloodworms)
They were quite timid and skittish, but it was the first few days so I thought it was normal.
But as time goes on, they seem to get worst. Come out less, and when they do come out they are even more scared than before.
Any little movement they would panick and dash around (sometimes hitting the glass).
For example, yesterday, I went to feed them the beefheart mix, and i accidentally dropped the food in the water (from like 1cm above the water - hardly made a noise) and they went nuts!

Sometimes when I walk near the tank even really slowly, they would just go nuts again (but sometimes when they see me they would come asking for food). Although the last couple of days they just hide.

Whenever they get scared, they usually hide for like 3-4hrs then slowly come back out.
I'm finding it quite hard to try and feed them, whenever they get scared I have to wait hours before I can attempt to feed them again.

I'm not sure what I am doing wrong, I even turn off my filters when I feed them the beefheart to keep it clean. and I siphon the beefheart back out after 20mins if they do not eat it.
Are they still just adjusting?
Sorry but i'm still new to this, so just want everything to run smoothly.

Thanks

[LoGeek]

Did you start with clean filters when you cycled them? Not full of old gunk?

Where is the tank located? Any bright light from windows towards the tank?

[bluelagoon]

Is the tank bare bottom and not painted?Maybe reflections.

[BGK2]

Hi All,

Thanks for the reply.
The tank is located in the lounge, but there's not too much traffic.
I have cleared my filters recently, and there didn't seem like there was much waste in it at all (i used my aquarium water to wash the filter to not kill the bacteria)
There is a large window where sun comes in during the day, perhaps this might be the reason? (although even during night time they still get scared quite easily)

The tank is barebottom and not painted. I just put a piece of paper under it. it's light grey in colour.
I use blue paper around both sides and back of the tank.

I had an internal UV filter in the tank before, which they kept hiding behind.
After last nights water change, I took this out.
Today they came out swimming (just when I was about to go to work) which is a good sign.
Is it good to take out the filter so they can't hide behind it? Hope it doesn't stress them out more.

[Willie]

I put 3 X 5" discus into a 30 gal quarantine tank about 10 days ago. It's bare except for a big sponge filter. They hid for a week and only just started coming out. One is still hiding. These are big fish. I would expect smaller ones to be even more timid.

With 90% daily water changes, you probably don't need a UV filter in the tank. In my experience, the more places to hide makes the fish want to hide more. If there's no place to hide, they get use to it faster. But I don't think you need to change anything. They'll come out pretty soon. Pretty soon, they'll learn to associate you with the food. Then you'll be greeted eagerly.

Have fun, Willie

[BGK2]

Hi Willie,

Thanks for your advice.
I went home at lunch time to feed them, and 4 of them were eating which was good :)
After they finished eating, I went to turn the lights on in the tank (i use very dim lights) and they got frightened again.
At least they ate first lol.
I figured they would get frightened when I turned on the lights, but I am hoping that by the time I get home (in about 3hours) they would be coming out swimming again so I can feed them again.

The good news is since I took out that UV filter so they can't hide behind it, they seem to come out more.
Lets see how they progress in the next couple of days and report back here.

[BGK2]

ok the discus are still hiding after i turned on the lights.
It's been like 6hours.
The lights are actually very dim.
Is there a certain type of light that discus do not like?
or do they just need time to adjust?

[Akili]

It takes time to adjust,hopefully they soon get over the shyness.I make sure that there is no light hitting their tank from the side.. they don't like shadows being cast on them. I have found lighting is very key in making them comfortable.

[BGK2]

Hi Akili,
I have covered all 3 sides of the tank to help them settle down.
They seem to do quite good when the lights are off and just the natural sunlight coming through.
I fed them today and I think 5 or all 6 are eating (I have to stand away a bit to not scare them when they eat so can't see that well).
When I turn on the lights they hide for ages! (Yesterday was a good 6hrs before they started coming out for food again).
I mean I already set the lights to super low... so maybe they just have to get use to it.
I can see their still adapting to their tank cause they school together really tightly... which is a good sign I guess.

Should I continue to turn my lights on everyday so they get use to it? Or should I leave them off for a few days/weeks until they are fully settled in?
The only thing is, if I don't turn the lights on, by the time I get home from work their already sleeping and I can't enjoy them / feed them / have to wake them up to change the water.

Sorry for all the questions etc. Just want to get everything right

[Ryan925]

I'd say just be patient and let them adjust. They will come around. Mine were very skittish for a bit after getting them. Mine are in a very high traffic area in the kitchen. Now my 5 year old sprints by and the don't flinch.

I do have a south facing window directly across from the tank. I do notice if it's open and I walk between the tank and window the shadow sometimes will spook them.

They should get used to your lights. Mine were under very bright light for some time. As of light I've really toned down my leds for a more natural look but the high light never bothered them

[Filip]

I had similar problems with my 7 -4.5 inch discus batch discus the first 2-3 weeks when I bought them . I was feeding them throwing food 3 feet away from the tank , cause if I stood in front of the tank they would hide and not eat :) .They were most active when there was zero activity in the room and when the lights were off , during daytime .
I guess its only an environment adjustment issue in your case . Maybe your PH /KH/TDS level greatly differs from what they are used to and that needs some time too.
Watch out for the 90% straight tap Wcs too. They cah be harsh on discus if they have microbubbles , PH Swings or are not sufficiently dechlorinated.
Good luck BGK.

[BGK2]

Just an update,
They all seem to be eating now.
When the lights are off and it's just the sunlight they are very active.
When I turn on the lights, they just hide, but if i feed them they will come out and eat.
Guess that's all that matters.
Hopefully they will be more confident soon even when i lights are on.

[Filip]

Great news BKG2 .
Don't worry about the lights They'll get use to it too just needs some more time to adjust .

They are most oftenly born and raised in a poor/dull lited breeder tanks and this is a big change in light for them .
Just imagine miners coming out to sunshine after 10 hours of work in a mine :)

[William1]

I've had my wild discus since last May and they are just now getting to the point where I can enjoy them. That is nine months. I too had a post asking what to do about skittishness. They would hide all day behind driftwood. It took a while, that is for sure. Try to avoid sudden movements in front of the tank and be consistent in your maintenance procedures. They will eventually get conditioned. Some take longer than others I guess.

[BGK2]

Thanks for all the help guys.
I noticed that they are starting to have mini fights / sorting out the pecking order now. I'm assuming this is a good thing as they feel more comfortable in the tank.
Also, although they still get spooked at times, they come back out a lot quicker after getting spooked.
I'll try and get some photos of them soon :)

[BGK2]

Hi,
Today when I got home, i realised one of my discus in one side of the tank all by himself (while the others were on the other side).
This got me suspicious, and i can see a white mark on the underside of it's eye. I'm not sure if it has always been there or not, or if it's just me thinking there's something wrong because I see him by himself.
Let me know what you guys think.
I have attached a photo.

[Filip]

Try to get a better photo of the eye BGK .
Maybe he just got bullied ?
Does he eats ?

[BGK2]

Hi Filip,

I will try and take a better photo.
He still seems to eat, but he seems a little slower than the rest of the pack.
And he's found a spot by himself on one end of the tank, while the rest are at the other end.
My tank is pretty much fully empty, except for a heater, a couple of pipes (from the canister filters), and an airstone so I don't think it could've injured itself from running into those things?.
I said earlier that I have started noticing my discus fighting / starting to establish their pecking order.
I'm leaning towards just a bit of fighting injury.
Have anyone have this problem before?
I'll continue with my 90% water changes daily so it doesn't get infected / heals faster.

[Fishexchange]

I asked similar questions 2 years ago when I got 10 Discus. The best advice I got was to use cold water only from tap, age and heat it. our hot water filters are filled with lead. Furthermore, Dither fish (tetras) in the tank help to sooth them. Dither fish swim around the top and encourages timid fish to relax and venture out.

[BGK2]

Just a brief update,
the fish eye seems to be ok.
Is it normal for him to be sort of isolated from the pack?
when he sees the others come out, he will come out too, but he doesn't stick closely with the pack.
and when they hide, he hides by himself.
All the others go up to the top and grab the food.
This guy only eats when the food floats infront of him (but he is eating at least, just not as much).

Has anyone have this happen to their discus?

[BGK2]

Everything seems to be going good now, although that discus is still being a rebel and wants to be by himself.
He seems to eat so it's good.
Here are some photos of my fish.
Let me know what you guys think. :)

[BGK2]

More :)
So far i think i've had them for about 25 days, i'm guessing i've done 21 90% water changes.
Close to daily water changes, except for a few days where i got lazy / too busy

[Filip]

They look great in shape ,colour and patterns BGK .
Ill keep my fingers crossed for you about their growth potential and hoping they will reach decent size too .

[BGK2]

Hi,

I know the more water changes the better.
But just received our water bill and it's like more than double what we usually pay lol.
Currently i try to do daily 90% water changes.
Do you think 90% water changes every second day will do much harm?
They are about 10months old right now, will this cause problem to their growth?

Also currently I feed 3x a day
Morning: Tetra Colour Bits
Afternoon: Beefheart Mix (followed by water change)
Night: FDBW
is this enough?

If i do water changes every 2nd day, then I would only feed the Beefheart Mix every 2nd day as well.
Therefore, 1 day i will feed 3x, the next 2x and so on.
Is this a problem for their growth as well?

I will post some more photos when I have time of my discus.
They appear to have grown a bit, and seem extremely healthy.
Do you think at 10months or so, there will still be much growth?

Thanks guys! :)

[Ryan925]

Hi,

I know the more water changes the better.
But just received our water bill and it's like more than double what we usually pay lol.
Currently i try to do daily 90% water changes.
Do you think 90% water changes every second day will do much harm?
They are about 10months old right now, will this cause problem to their growth?

Also currently I feed 3x a day
Morning: Tetra Colour Bits
Afternoon: Beefheart Mix (followed by water change)
Night: FDBW
is this enough?

If i do water changes every 2nd day, then I would only feed the Beefheart Mix every 2nd day as well.
Therefore, 1 day i will feed 3x, the next 2x and so on.
Is this a problem for their growth as well?

I will post some more photos when I have time of my discus.
They appear to have grown a bit, and seem extremely healthy.
Do you think at 10months or so, there will still be much growth?

Thanks guys! :)

I think recommendation is usually 50% per day but that depends on stock and tank size. Care to share more details about your setup

[BGK2]

Hi Ryan,

I have a 50gal with 6 Discus.
Bare bottom tank
2 external canister filters (which i turn off during feedings and clean once every 2 weeks - clean each one alternative weeks)
Water temp 28.5c
pH about 8

Let me know what other info would help.

I just prefer to do 90% water changes every 2nd day rather than 50% water changes each day if it's not going to be a big difference.

[Ryan925]

Hi Ryan,

I have a 50gal with 6 Discus.
Bare bottom tank
2 external canister filters (which i turn off during feedings and clean once every 2 weeks - clean each one alternative weeks)
Water temp 28.5c
pH about 8

Let me know what other info would help.

I just prefer to do 90% water changes every 2nd day rather than 50% water changes each day if it's not going to be a big difference.

Obviously the more changes the better. I was doing too infrequent water changes. When I switched to 80% every other day I saw much better results.

90% every other day may work for you. It will all depend on feeding, maintenance etc. Sounds like you do pretty well with maintenance.

What size are the fish currently?

They will always let you know when you aren't changing enough water

[BGK2]

I would say most are about 12-13cm (about 5 inches)
there is 1 that just hasn't grown much and is at like 9-10cm
Their about just over 10 months old.

[Filip]

With your BB tank , your keeping routines and your current bioload I would assume that it would be fairly safe to cut down your 90% WC to 3-4 times weekly.
Your fish are almost adults but they still got some growing and catching up to do , so don't loose hope on their growth potential.

[BGK2]

Hey all,

2 of my discus just laid eggs WOOOOO!!!
I made a thread in the breeding section.
Please go to it and help me answer some of the questions I have if you can :)
So excited!

[Filip]

Hey all,

2 of my discus just laid eggs WOOOOO!!!
I made a thread in the breeding section.
Please go to it and help me answer some of the questions I have if you can :)
So excited!

Congrats. BKG . Just sit back, relax and enjoy the show . If they turn out to be a pair they will repeat this behaviour at least once a month , so you got plenty of trials and time ahead to arrange and plan breeding if that is your goal.