Bryan's Grow Out Challenge Thread 2018

[warblad79]

First and foremost, I would like to thank Al for doing this exciting friendly competition and providing us some awesome fish. Well about myself, I'm not new to this hobby and I've breeding/raising discus since 2010. But I became more passionate about creating my own line of strain back in 2015. My main goal was to create a Giant Flora 14-bars somewhat similar to 9-bars but more refined with unique pattern. The reason for joining this competition is to explore more knowledge and gauge my skill level.



Current setup for this competition:
- 20G breeder tank
- Sponge filter up to (40G)
- Hydor 120 watts heater.
- Airstone
- 40 watts LED daylight bulb

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Current parameters:
- Aged tap water treated with Seachem Safe
- 83.4F but adjusted to around 86F
- 284 TDS
- 7.4-7.8 Ph

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I'll apply the same strict and proactive routine just like my other previous batches.

Such as follows:

Feeding - 4x daily
- 1st feeding 7:00 AM
- 2nd feeding 12:00 PM
- 3rd feeding 4:00 PM
- 4th feeding 7:00 PM
Note: will increase the feeding as they grow to support their rapid growth.


Water Change
- I'll be using aged tap water only until up to 6 months old
- 150%-200% water change on a daily basis.
- 1st WC 8AM either 50% or 100%
- 2nd WC 8PM or later 100%
- will wipe the tank once a week

[Mr.BigBlock]

Good luck!

[warblad79]

Unfortunately, mine will not arrive until tomorrow.
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[Second Hand Pat]

Crossing fingers for tomorrow Brian!
Pat

[warblad79]

Crossing fingers for tomorrow Brian!
Pat

Thanks, as long as they survive tomorrow then I'm happy.

[Filip]

Crossing my fingers too for tomorrow Brian .
Two Qts on your routine.
You said to use aged tap up to 6 months ? What else do you plan next and why change the curent routine at 6th month.
Why only small feeds at start ? Just to avoid bloat or is there something else to it ?

Good luck Brian and we hope for photos of discus from you tommorow .

[warblad79]

Finally, the wait is over. They have arrived perfectly and no death so far.

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I added aquarium salt one spoonful per 10 gallon and 1 and half cup of Stress Guard.

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Shipping: I received them up side down from the mailman and didn't seem to be bother what it was since it doesn't have sticker saying Fragile, perishable, or handle with care.

Recommendation: Shipping fish is not new to me, I shipped fish across the state in the past as little as dime to quarter size to even adult size. One thing I learned was to ensure to put precautionary sticker or label to make them aware that the package is fragile and careful handling is a must. All in all, the packaging was excellent and didn't noticed any leaks. The water level is enough as well as the oxygen. Also the heat packs was adequate since still warm when I touch it.

Here are the stuff I used for my shipping boxes.

I created this label and printed out at my workplace. The Styrofoam shipping boxes came from my wife's work so it's free.
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Stickers bought from eBay.
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Thank you! Al

[brewmaster15]

Bryan Im glad you got them and they are alive after being in the box since Monday..

Just a note though, every box did have a label on it that said "live fish .. this end up." It was placed on the top of the box in bright fluorescent colors.

I always do this.

Al

[LizStreithorst]

Finally, the wait is over. They have arrived perfectly and no death so far.

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I added aquarium salt one spoonful per 10 gallon and 1 and half cup of Stress Guard.

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Shipping: I received them up side down from the mailman and didn't seem to be bother what it was since it doesn't have sticker saying Fragile, perishable, or handle with care.

Recommendation: Shipping fish is not new to me, I shipped fish across the state in the past as little as dime to quarter size to even adult size. One thing I learned was to ensure to put precautionary sticker or label to make them aware that the package is fragile and careful handling is a must. All in all, the packaging was excellent and didn't noticed any leaks. The water level is enough as well as the oxygen. Also the heat packs was adequate since still warm when I touch it.

Here are the stuff I used for my shipping boxes.

I created this label and printed out at my workplace. The Styrofoam shipping boxes came from my wife's work so it's free.
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Stickers bought from eBay.
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Thank you! Al

I really like the stickers you had printed up. I can't do it, but there is a very nice printer run by an old couple who likes me. I need to see them for my new business cards, now that I'm grooming from home. They could make them for me and not charge me an arm and a leg. I used to do their dog before it died. They like me.

I don't ship often, but I do ship. My signature here for a while was "SHIPPING IS CURSED". The stickers are just a tiny bit of insurance that the box gets treated appropriately.

[warblad79]

I really like the stickers you had printed up. I can't do it, but there is a very nice printer run by an old couple who likes me. I need to see them for my new business cards, now that I'm grooming from home. They could make them for me and not charge me an arm and a leg. I used to do their dog before it died. They like me.

I don't ship often, but I do ship. My signature here for a while was "SHIPPING IS CURSED". The stickers are just a tiny bit of insurance that the box gets treated appropriately.

I can see you the file and edit it how the way you like it.

[Filip]

Great sticker Bryan , but you could have picked a better looking discus for the purpose. This one looks a bit stunted to me :) .

Good luck with your babies .

[Paul Sabucchi]

Glad the fish arrived safe and sound, even if delivered upside down Al's packaging must have coped pretty well. Wishing you all the best for the contest and thanks for stating your schedule.

[warblad79]

Great sticker Bryan , but you could have picked a better looking discus for the purpose. This one looks a bit stunted to me :) .

Good luck with your babies .

Forgot to photoshop it...hehehehehe

[warblad79]

Glad the fish arrived safe and sound, even if delivered upside down Al's packaging must have coped pretty well. Wishing you all the best for the contest and thanks for stating your schedule.

Yes! Absolutely true, if it wasn't for excellent packaging. I don't think they would have survived. Sadly, the mailman didn't pay attention to the note.

[warblad79]

Bryan Im glad you got them and they are alive after being in the box since Monday..

Just a note though, every box did have a label on it that said "live fish .. this end up." It was placed on the top of the box in bright fluorescent colors.

I always do this.

Al

You're absolutely correct, the note was there on the top portion but sadly the mailman didn't pay attention. But due to your excellent packaging, they've all made it. This is a good learning experienced for me, I'll try to ship them this way to cut cost since shipping always been a deal breaker for customers.

[warblad79]

First water change of the day...already eating beefheart flakes last night.
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[danotaylor]

Looking good mate. Looking forward to seeing how they turn out :)

[warblad79]

Looking good mate. Looking forward to seeing how they turn out :)

Thank you!

[warblad79]

Quick update...looking much better since I've got them last Friday even the smallest ones gain so much weight.
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[Filip]

Whats that brown stuff on the glass Brian , is it a diatom algae ?

[warblad79]

Whats that brown stuff on the glass Brian , is it a diatom algae ?

Stain from PP

[Filip]

Stain from PP

Why did you PP bath them ?

[warblad79]

Why did you PP bath them ?

I PP the whole tank prior to acquiring the fish but I missed to wipe that small portion.

[brewmaster15]

Looking good Bryan! Keep up the good work!

al

[warblad79]

Looking good Bryan! Keep up the good work!

al

Thank you!

[warblad79]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cZ1uS9z4Is&app=desktop&persist_app=1

[Mr.BigBlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cZ1uS9z4Is&app=desktop&persist_app=1

Good job, keep it up!

[warblad79]

Good job, keep it up!

Thank you!

[warblad79]

Almost 2 am and still eating. Their sizes are very close to each other now since I've got them. I'm very pleased with their progress and none of them are seem to be cull. I can see a lot of potential in this group. I'm hoping to get at least two pairs for future breeding.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLkP8-YlTH8

[Filip]

They look great Brian . Keep up the good work .

[Willie]

...I'm hoping to get at least two pairs for future breeding...

That's what I call long term planning! Willie

[Second Hand Pat]

They do look great Bryan and look like they have grown. You definitely have the fry rearing part down! :)
Pat

[warblad79]

They look great Brian . Keep up the good work .

Thank you!


That's what I call long term planning! Willie

Yes! They have a nice bloodline


They do look great Bryan and look like they have grown. You definitely have the fry rearing part down! :)
Pat

Thank you!

[warblad79]

From dime to quater size...fat and thick, their belly are always full...No more camera shy...started giving them crush high protein beefheart flakes last night and devouring it in minutes.

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[danotaylor]

They look in great condition mate, nice one 🇦🇺

[warblad79]

They look in great condition mate, nice one ����

Thank you!

[Second Hand Pat]

Hey Bryan, they do look great. Was all this based on water changes and feeding them BBS?
Pat

[warblad79]

Hey Bryan, they do look great. Was all this based on water changes and feeding them BBS?
Pat

Yes, pretty much on BBS.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Bryan, your pictures of your fry confirmed the need for BBS at this age.
Thanks,
Pat

[warblad79]

Thanks Bryan, your pictures of your fry confirmed the need for BBS at this age.
Thanks,
Pat

I knew right away after observing them that I had to start from scratch and it just happened I had left over BBS eggs, in my experienced I would slowly start giving them solid food once they reached about quarter size.

[Paul Sabucchi]

Excellent job so far! Well done

[warblad79]

Excellent job so far! Well done

Thank you!

[Filip]

Wow , they already look rounded .
Did you fed BBS exclusively to this point Brian ?
I don't want to play a judge here or discourage other contestants , but so far those are the biggest grow outs from the current pictures of the contest , at least to my eyes .

[warblad79]

Wow , they already look rounded .
Did you fed BBS exclusively to this point Brian ?
I don't want to play a judge here or discourage other contestants , but so far those are the biggest grow outs from the current pictures of the contest , at least to my eyes .

BBS exclusively until to this day and started giving them beefheart flakes 2 days ago. Then next month I'll start introducing them with my secret homemade beefheart mixed with growth booster.

[Filip]

From your documented experience so far , it seems to me that for some reason BBS outperform other foods for growouts at this young age .

About introducing your BH mix . Why next month , why not tommorow ?

[warblad79]

From your documented experience so far , it seems to me that for some reason BBS outperform other foods for growouts at this young age .

About introducing your BH mix . Why next month , why not tommorow ?

I don't want to introduce them too early, it might be too hard for them to process the food. BBS is pack in protein about 60%-65% and easy to digest at young age. I'll keep continue feeding as long as they take it but I'll try to wean them once they pass quarter size.

[warblad79]

So Challengers, a question for you to answer in your contest threads... what kind of light cycle are using?

al


I'm using a regular LED daylight bulb and it's ON 24/7.

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[Maxx24]

Won't they get stressed with the light on 24/7?

[warblad79]

Won't they get stressed with the light on 24/7?

Not at all.

[brewmaster15]

Looking great! I too raise my fry with the lights on 24/7 .

al

[warblad79]

They are now exactly 2 weeks under my care from this day on. I'm the one who received them the last so they are in the bag for 5 days but luckily they have all survived. So much improvement are noticeable looking back 2 weeks ago. The biggest one is now probably larger than a quarter and the smallest one is almost a quarter size but there's still room for growth. Their appetite are rapidly increasing so I'll provide more solid food moving forward and slowly stop feeding BBS. More updates are coming in later weeks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4nb3WojTz4&t=51

[Tshethar]

Looking great! Nice to see. Will be paying attention for sure.

[warblad79]

Looking great! Nice to see. Will be paying attention for sure.

Thanks, awesome compliment coming from fellow contestant.

[modealings]

Looking exceptional - no doubt about it.

[warblad79]

Looking exceptional - no doubt about it.

Thank you

[warblad79]

Started displaying some coloration...I see red & blue.
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[Maxx24]

Looking good ! Nice pictures..

[warblad79]

Looking good ! Nice pictures..

Thanks

[danotaylor]

I just looked at pg 1 images of the fry when you received them and I am stunned by the current size, condition & growth rate of your group. Wow mate, great job. Clearly have done this many times b4 and have certainly "cracked the code." Nice!

[Second Hand Pat]

Nice going Bryan, I am noticing a wee bit of color in the outer fins and gill covers also. What are you feeding now?
Pat

[warblad79]

I just looked at pg 1 images of the fry when you received them and I am stunned by the current size, condition & growth rate of your group. Wow mate, great job. Clearly have done this many times b4 and have certainly "cracked the code." Nice!

Thank you, huge difference when I got them from day 1.

[warblad79]

Nice going Bryan, I am noticing a wee bit of color in the outer fins and gill covers also. What are you feeding now?
Pat

Thanks, I'm still feeding them high protein beefheart mixed flakes and BBS.

[xKevinx]

Looking soooooo good!! Well done so far!

[warblad79]

Looking soooooo good!! Well done so far!

Thanks

[warblad79]

8 weeks old and roughly about 2"...The size should be appropriate for this age.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx_xZuuQO4w&t=3s

[Adam S]

Looking good as always. Have you increased the water level yet?

[warblad79]

Looking good as always. Have you increased the water level yet?

Still the same, tank still big enough for them.

[warblad79]

Mini pancakes
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[Pices]

Wow! That is phenomenal!
Patty

[warblad79]

Wow! That is phenomenal!
Patty

Thanks

[warblad79]

Morning feeding Tropical Discus Granules D-50 Plus baby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02FeBaDOnOw

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[warblad79]

Wow mate, those guys are growin like weeds! Will they eat all of that food or will you siphon off anything uneaten at a certain point?

I don't think they would eat all that food since they're not used to that yet but I'll definitely siphon any uneaten food after 2 hours or do a complete water change. One thing I learned these past few years is that providing more food and spreading them would help alleviate aggression so that the small one can eat as well. If you gave them a chunk or cube the bully one will take over and won't share it. That's why I don't feed them beefheart and freeze dried cubes. If you notice my group is growing at the same pace.

[danotaylor]

Gotcha. I accidentally deleted my post try to add another qn. Lol.
I have 2 yellow discus and am wanting to add a commercial granule to their diet. Will Tropical D-50 turn my yellow guys orange?
Thx mate!

[warblad79]

Gotcha. I accidentally deleted my post try to add another qn. Lol.
I have 2 yellow discus and am wanting to add a commercial granule to their diet. Will Tropical D-50 turn my yellow guys orange?
Thx mate!

Honestly, I'm not sure since I don't have any yellow discus. I have mostly Turquoise based but I noticed all my fish are more vibrant and lively after feeding this food.

[danotaylor]

Thanks Bryan. I'll check the ingredients list online 👍

[xKevinx]

These guys are looking great!
Hungry lil guys:)

[warblad79]

These guys are looking great!
Hungry lil guys:)

Thank you

[danotaylor]

One thing I learned these past few years is that providing more food and spreading them would help alleviate aggression so that the small one can eat as well. If you gave them a chunk or cube the bully one will take over and won't share it. That's why I don't feed them beefheart and freeze dried cubes. If you notice my group is growing at the same pace.
This is great advice from your observation and experience Bryan. I missed this part of your comment earlier today. I am having issue atm with 2 discus on the bottom of the pecking order of my 8 adult fish. I'm gonna cube my BH mix smaller and spread it out across the whole 6' of my 125 gal. Hopefully they will get more food. Thanks for sharing this great tip!

[pastry]

This is great advice from your observation and experience Bryan. I missed this part of your comment earlier today. I am having issue atm with 2 discus on the bottom of the pecking order of my 8 adult fish. I'm gonna cube my BH mix smaller and spread it out across the whole 6' of my 125 gal. Hopefully they will get more food. Thanks for sharing this great tip!

I never even thought about that. One of those things that's so obvious yet really isn't. All right that might not have been my best quote ever but you know what I mean! Your group looks really rounded out and I believe one of the more uniform groups that I have seen. Everyone is doing a pretty darn good job but I really like your group!

[warblad79]

One of my favorite 14-bars...looks very promising.
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[RogueDiscus]

Yes, the shape!

[warblad79]

Yes, the shape!

That's the future breeder right there.;)

[Tshethar]

Looking good! I'm noticing the "halo" as well... Seems like the first or only fish so far in the contest to be showing that type of color in the fins... Is that true for you, too, or are others in your group showing that?

[warblad79]

Looking good! I'm noticing the "halo" as well... Seems like the first or only fish so far in the contest to be showing that type of color in the fins... Is that true for you, too, or are others in your group showing that?

There are four 9-bars that showing as well but the SS is more prominent in the group.

[Second Hand Pat]

One of my favorite 14-bars...looks very promising.
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Nice Bryan :D Have you found when fry show early promise they maintain it thru adulthood?
Pat

[warblad79]

Nice Bryan :D Have you found when fry show early promise they maintain it thru adulthood?
Pat

Yes, most of the time and would even look much better as they grow older as long as they don't get sick and remain healthy.

[warblad79]

It's time for update again...as usual they're doing excellent and easy to manage. Exactly 4 weeks under my care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzPNstoYXIg&t=10s

[Second Hand Pat]

The fish look great Bryan :) I took a play from your rule book and have my guys trying the same pellets your guys are eating in the video.
Pat

[warblad79]

The fish look great Bryan :) I took a play from your rule book and have my guys trying the same pellets your guys are eating in the video.
Pat

I'm glad it's working out for you.

[warblad79]

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[warblad79]

Now it's dinner time.
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[Pices]

I think you could win this Brian. They look to be the biggest to me so far. It’s hard to tell with your lighting, but are they getting any color yet?
Patty

[warblad79]

I think you could win this Brian. They look to be the biggest to me so far. It’s hard to tell with your lighting, but are they getting any color yet?
Patty

Yes, they started to color up especially the big ones. Next time I'll take a close up pictures.

[warblad79]

Close up pics...colors are popping
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[Second Hand Pat]

Hi Bryan, the turks are coloring up faster then the SS?
Pat

[warblad79]

Hi Bryan, the turks are coloring up faster then the SS?
Pat

Maybe due to the SS has more bars and showing more darker shade instead of blue color.

[Pices]

I just saw Pat’s thread and you 2 are making this contest fierce! Exciting threads-I’m “hooked” ha ha
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[warblad79]

I just saw Pat’s thread and you 2 are making this contest fierce! Exciting threads-I’m “hooked” ha ha
Patty

Fierce competition is good because it gives you motivation and sense of goal.

[warblad79]

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[xKevinx]

Your fish are looking tremendous already! Growing sooo fast and they have a nice shape to them for being so young... Fantastic job. I'm following your thread with great interest to see how they come along.... Ive seen a few stand out fish in the other grow out threads but your group as a whole is awesome

[cupido]

Wow! Learning a lot from your posts and inspired by the great results of your efforts.

[Second Hand Pat]

Bryan, I will admit I am a bit envious of the size and shape you have on your group. :D You are doing a great job with them and I am learning from you.
Pat

[warblad79]

Your fish are looking tremendous already! Growing sooo fast and they have a nice shape to them for being so young... Fantastic job. I'm following your thread with great interest to see how they come along.... Ive seen a few stand out fish in the other grow out threads but your group as a whole is awesome
Thank you, that's very flattering.


Wow! Learning a lot from your posts and inspired by the great results of your efforts.
Thank you, I'm glad you're learning a lot from my post.


Bryan, I will admit I am a bit envious of the size and shape you have on your group. :D You are doing a great job with them and I am learning from you.
Pat
Thank you, your group is doing great as well and I'm glad that whatever you've learned from me is working great for you.

[Tshethar]

Bryan, I will admit I am a bit envious of the size and shape you have on your group. :D You are doing a great job with them and I am learning from you.
Pat

+1 here. The shape on that second one is really sweet--nice round forehead. You're definitely the front-runner! I'll try to do as you suggest and use your great results as motivation to keep up and do my best. But honestly... there's no doubt you're going to have awesome adult fish from this group (and they will probably look better than mine.) Oh well... we'll try to keep the pressure on! (I know Pat will, and she has her photography going for her.) :) Keep going!

[danotaylor]

wow Bryan, you're killin it mate...awesome...I mentioned this on Pat's thread also...If I ever get to the "growing out fry" stage of my discus passion, this thread & Pat's are truly the go to threads for discovering what works...hats off to you both for documenting the journey so well for the rest of us!

[warblad79]

+1 here. The shape on that second one is really sweet--nice round forehead. You're definitely the front-runner! I'll try to do as you suggest and use your great results as motivation to keep up and do my best. But honestly... there's no doubt you're going to have awesome adult fish from this group (and they will probably look better than mine.) Oh well... we'll try to keep the pressure on! (I know Pat will, and she has her photography going for her.) :) Keep going!

Thank you, That's very motivational comment right there.


wow Bryan, you're killin it mate...awesome...I mentioned this on Pat's thread also...If I ever get to the "growing out fry" stage of my discus passion, this thread & Pat's are truly the go to threads for discovering what works...hats off to you both for documenting the journey so well for the rest of us!

Thank you, will provide more learning materials as we move forward.

[Mando]

Hello, Bryan. Incredible grow out so far. Can you please confirm where you get your beef heart flakes? from what range to what range do you feed the d-50?

and, at what age do you turn off your lights?

[Maxx24]

Hello, Interesting questions..following this... also, what's the reasoning/benefit for not turning off lights? ( faster metabolism therefore faster growth??)
Love the mini pancakes images!

[warblad79]

Hello, Bryan. Incredible grow out so far. Can you please confirm where you get your beef heart flakes? from what range to what range do you feed the d-50?

and, at what age do you turn off your lights?

- I got the beefheart flakes from Dan, he's sponsor here.
- I start feeding D-50 once they reach about quarter size.
- about 2 months old


Hello, Interesting questions..following this... also, what's the reasoning/benefit for not turning off lights? ( faster metabolism therefore faster growth??)
Love the mini pancakes images!

- Benefits of not turning the lights off is for faster growth, meaning they would continue eating 24/7 non-stop so growth is continues. BBS is very active when lights in ON and fry is attracted to moving object. So I hope you get the picture.

[danotaylor]

Bryan I checked the sponsors list, but didn't see anyone named Dan. What is his sponsor name?
Do the BH flakes have any additives? Like astaxanthin? Looking for a flake or pellet that won't turn my yellow discus orange.
Thanks mate

[Mando]

Do you feed d-50 from quarter size to adult? including BH flakes? Interested in Dan's contact.

[warblad79]

Do you feed d-50 from quarter size to adult? including BH flakes? Interested in Dan's contact.

PM sent, yes both quarter size and adult gets to D-50 granule and BH flakes.




Bryan I checked the sponsors list, but didn't see anyone named Dan. What is his sponsor name?
Do the BH flakes have any additives? Like astaxanthin? Looking for a flake or pellet that won't turn my yellow discus orange.
Thanks mate

PM sent

[fljones3]

Can you PM the beef heart flakes my way? Thanks.

[danotaylor]

Dang mate, the BH flakes ingredients look awesome...sadly there's krill which will turn my yellows orange...still haven't found a commercial food that won't do that...
Thanks Bryan!!

[sanjay21]

Wow ! Bryan. That pan cake picture is amazing. You are killing this challenge :D

[Maxx24]

With those images, I'm sold to the idea of leaving lights on...

[warblad79]

Can you PM the beef heart flakes my way? Thanks.
PM sent


Dang mate, the BH flakes ingredients look awesome...sadly there's krill which will turn my yellows orange...still haven't found a commercial food that won't do that...
Thanks Bryan!!
Try making your own homemade beefheart mixed without any Krill. Most commercial had krill on it as one of the main ingredient.

Wow ! Bryan. That pan cake picture is amazing. You are killing this challenge :D
Hey got to show my skills...hehehehehe


With those images, I'm sold to the idea of leaving lights on...
Yeah it works all the time.

[warblad79]

I would also highly recommend Al's Discus Chow-16 0z-.8mm due to high protein content and perfect size for juvenile discus. I feed mine morning and night time with great results as you can see with my previous pictures.

Ingredients: Marine Proteins (fish meal, Krill, Squid in a proprietary blend),wheat gluten,maize starch,Fish oil,lecithin,alfalfa protein,yeast,seaweed extract,vitamins,minerals

Analysis:

Protein 57%, lipids (oil) 15%, ash 10.5 %,fiber .2 %,phosphorus 1.5 %,calcium 2%,sodium .5 %

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[fljones3]

I don’t think Al has any presently.

[warblad79]

I don’t think Al has any presently.

Currently sold out according to his website but check with him for availability. I got mine few months ago and mainly used them for growing out fry.

[Tshethar]

I think Al posted somewhere that he had an issue with the manufacturer he was using for the Discus Chow and unfortunately was going to be out for awhile until he could make alternative arrangements. (I've been digging into food threads!) Can't remember when he posted that, however, so hopefully he'll restock soon, and it wouldn't hurt to check with him.

[warblad79]

They're like little cute puppies...So fun to watch them chasing my fingers and begging for food.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSmcYNEwRt0&t=23s

[Mr.BigBlock]

Wow, great job...they're getting really big!

[Mando]

I’m speechless at their growth

[warblad79]

Wow, great job...they're getting really big!

Thank you!


I’m speechless at their growth

Combination of experienced and techniques to achieve this goal.

[warblad79]

More inspirational pics
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[warblad79]

Questions I get from members.

What do you feed your fry at early stage? and why?
- I feed my fry BBS until they reach about 1.5" and then slowly transition to solid food such as high protein beefheart mixed flakes, Tropical Discus Gran D-50 plus baby, Discus chow, and golden pearls.
- I feed the following food as mentioned above due to high protein content and easy to digest. Highly digestible food are easy to process and that means better nutrients absorption, so therefore my fry gets consistent and better growth rate as a results. I tend to stay away from FDBW and HM beefheart mixed at early stage because they can cause intestinal blockage and also BH create foul smell, affects your water quality and if left uneaten it can rotten easily at high temp.


What's your WC routine? what percentage? why?
- I do my WC twice daily before feedings, so that the new foods doesn't get mix up with the uneaten and rotten foods as well as other unwanted stuff.
- I used aged, heated, and dechlorinated tap water only. 150% - 200%
- For me frequent large WC is a must for growing discus. So that they will grow faster, stronger, healthier, and resilient. Also helps reduce unwanted inhabitants.


What's your temp? why? what's the advantage and disadvantage of high temp?
- I keep my temp @ 86F
- I like to keep them @ high temp so they are always active, hungry and eat more food through out the day.
- Keeping them at high temp would increase their metabolism. So therefore, they would consume more food as a results growth rate also increase. However, keeping them at high temp could also increase potential threat from harmful bacterial. that's why consistent frequent large WC is very important.

[modealings]

Been really great following your group so far Bryan, especially with regard to their diet. I've always been under the assumption that BH mix is best for putting on size but clearly you're proving otherwise at this stage.

[warblad79]

Been really great following your group so far Bryan, especially with regard to their diet. I've always been under the assumption that BH mix is best for putting on size but clearly you're proving otherwise at this stage.

Not always the case, I had some fish that I've grown them to almost 8" with just flakes alone. it's a slow growth but steady and healthy but you'll get there.

[danotaylor]

Thank you for answering these 3 big questions Bryan. You're fry are the proof of the pudding of your technique & routine. I will be copy & pasting that post onto a doc to save for future. I appreciate your openness and willness to share. Thanks mate!!

[Tshethar]

Thanks, Bryan. Very helpful to see not only what you've been doing but also some of the why. Makes sense and it's great to see them doing so well!

[warblad79]

I see blue and some stripes too.
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[Mando]

No way!!

[Pices]

Wow. Very impressive growth and it’s neat seeing the color starting to show. I can’t believe how messy they are though especially with all those wc’s!
Patty

[warblad79]

I see blue and some stripes too.
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No way!!
Lol!

Wow. Very impressive growth and it’s neat seeing the color starting to show. I can’t believe how messy they are though especially with all those wc’s!
Patty

I only did one water change that day because added some magic potion and I want to make sure it gets absorb by them.

[danotaylor]

Your grow outs continue to amaze me mate, nice one!


I only did one water change that day because added some magic potion and I want to make sure it gets absorb by them.

By "magic" do you mean secret?? If not, please let us know about this "potion" and it's intended purpose. :inquisitive:

Thx Bryan :D

[warblad79]

Your grow outs continue to amaze me mate, nice one!



By "magic" do you mean secret?? If not, please let us know about this "potion" and it's intended purpose. :inquisitive:

Thx Bryan :D

Shssssss! It's a secret. Lol

[danotaylor]

Shssssss! It's a secret. Lol

LOL...I'm waiting for my PM ;)

[Mando]

LOL...I'm waiting for my PM ;)

Great start of my morning! got laugh. lol

[warblad79]

Update: showing more colors each passing weeks. They are about the right size at this age so definitely on track. No issue so far and still doing the same routine. This batch is probably the easiest compare to my other previous ones.
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[warblad79]

Time for snacks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkTjXpUKSfc&t=13s

[Willie]

These guys look fantastic. Twice a day water changes are really paying off.

Willie

[warblad79]

These guys look fantastic. Twice a day water changes are really paying off.

Willie

That's true and also preventive.

[jeep]

Little monsters!!!

[danotaylor]

This group never ceases to amaze me!

[warblad79]

Eating again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EePK6RYjqM&t=12s

[Willie]

Do you wipe down the surfaces daily or just do water changes? I'm trying to better understand what is most important.

About 10 years ago, I had a good friend who partnered with me to produce discus fry. Al was homebound due to MS but loved to raise discus. So I would bring over the spawns for him to raise. Al only fed flakes. But he made a 40% water change after every meal - that is to say, breakfast, lunch and dinner. In those days, I would bring over fry that was 2 weeks free swimming. The fry he raised very much resembled this batch. They were all tall and round and, at this stage, all the fish were uniform in size. When people wanted to buy discus, I just referred them to Al. He was home all the time, so it worked well all around. Al has since passed away from his disease.

Thanks, Willie

[warblad79]

Do you wipe down the surfaces daily or just do water changes? I'm trying to better understand what is most important.

About 10 years ago, I had a good friend who partnered with me to produce discus fry. Al was homebound due to MS but loved to raise discus. So I would bring over the spawns for him to raise. Al only fed flakes. But he made a 40% water change after every meal - that is to say, breakfast, lunch and dinner. In those days, I would bring over fry that was 2 weeks free swimming. The fry he raised very much resembled this batch. They were all tall and round and, at this stage, all the fish were uniform in size. When people wanted to buy discus, I just referred them to Al. He was home all the time, so it worked well all around. Al has since passed away from his disease.

Thanks, Willie

I do twice daily water changes and wipe down the surface twice a week. If you do frequent water changes, the build up is it wasn't that bad.

[Tshethar]

Bryan, thanks for answering detailed questions about your approach. Been also trying on my end also to figure out what's most important especially since I've had issues.

How often do you clean your sponges and how? I can see that squeezing out my sponge in a bucket is needed more regularly than I thought, maybe especially in the absence of a secondary filter--otherwise I end up with lots of particulate matter even after a 100% water change. Also, how long will you let the canister go?

[warblad79]

Bryan, thanks for answering detailed questions about your approach. Been also trying on my end also to figure out what's most important especially since I've had issues.

How often do you clean your sponges and how? I can see that squeezing out my sponge in a bucket is needed more regularly than I thought, maybe especially in the absence of a secondary filter--otherwise I end up with lots of particulate matter even after a 100% water change. Also, how long will you let the canister go?

I cleaned my sponge filter at least once every two weeks. I'm only using one sponge filter since I'm already heavy on water changes. Keep in mind you don't that much filtration as long as you keep doing twice daily WC.

[Paul Sabucchi]

Going by the results your method is definitely paying off, well done so far

[warblad79]

Going by the results your method is definitely paying off, well done so far

Thank you!

[warblad79]

I decided to move them to another tank. Same size but different background color. I need to use the tank for breeding and white ground is much suitable.
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[modealings]

Man, every time I think I might be catching up....

Are you still keeping the lights on 24/7?

[warblad79]

Are you still keeping the lights on 24/7?

Not anymore

[Mando]

Oh, My!!! the roundness is impeccable, and they are all consistent in size. What size tank are they currently in, and when will you move them to a bigger tank? what would be the next size tank?

[warblad79]

Oh, My!!! the roundness is impeccable, and they are all consistent in size. What size tank are they currently in, and when will you move them to a bigger tank? what would be the next size tank?

What size tank are they currently in?
- 20G

when will you move them to a bigger tank?
- When they reach about 4"

what would be the next size tank?
- 55 or 50 gallon tank

[warblad79]

TGIF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZfQftynBiA&t=5s

[Willie]

Hope there's a second prize, cause this race is over! :thumbsup:

[warblad79]

Hope there's a second prize, cause this race is over! :thumbsup:

The race is not over yet, we have couple of months more to go but looks like my batch just keeps growing every single day.

[Second Hand Pat]

The race is not over yet, we have couple of months more to go but looks like my batch just keeps growing every single day.

It's not over and everyone's batches are growing. :evilgrin:

Your guys do look great Bryan :D

Pat

[Willie]

It's not over and everyone's batches are growing. :evilgrin:

Your guys do look great Bryan :D

Pat

OK, but I'm taking side bets!

[warblad79]

It's not over and everyone's batches are growing. :evilgrin:

Your guys do look great Bryan :D

Pat

Thank you

[Tshethar]

OK, but I'm taking side bets!

My money's on Bryan! :)

Though Pat's photography skills and her perseverance make her the wildcard, I'd say.

I'll keep writing my long-winded tales of woe and hope that will earn me some sort of consolation prize. :evilgrin:

Willie, maybe you'll get the frequent flyer award, given to those who raise the best fish while on the go...

[warblad79]

My money's on Bryan! :)

Though Pat's photography skills and her perseverance make her the wildcard, I'd say.

I'll keep writing my long-winded tales of woe and hope that will earn me some sort of consolation prize. :evilgrin:

Willie, maybe you'll get the frequent flyer award, given to those who raise the best fish while on the go...

I'm not doing this just for myself or the trophy but also for those who wants to learn how to raise discus properly. I hope you guys learning something out of it.:)

[Tshethar]

I'm not doing this just for myself or the trophy but also for those who wants to learn how to raise discus properly. I hope you guys learning something out of it.:)

Definitely! :) :thumbsup:

[danotaylor]

I'm not doing this just for myself or the trophy but also for those who wants to learn how to raise discus properly. I hope you guys learning something out of it.:)
Heck yeah mate, I sure am. The whole sum of everyone's methods & experiences, good & bad, is a great learning environment for me.
For that I thank you, and others, who have been faithful & open in documenting & sharing progress!!

[rickmiles]

Nice job Brian.

[warblad79]

Nice job Brian.

Thank you, happy to see you Rick.

[warblad79]

Before lights off
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[danotaylor]

They look to be pushing 3" now Brian. Awesome!!

[CraigJ]

Hi Bryan,

Congratulations on the fantastic job growing out your fry and thanks for the education. Just double checking, but are you still growing the fry out in just 10 gallons of water in a 20 gallon tank?

Craig

[warblad79]

They look to be pushing 3" now Brian. Awesome!!
Thank you


Hi Bryan,

Congratulations on the fantastic job growing out your fry and thanks for the education. Just double checking, but are you still growing the fry out in just 10 gallons of water in a 20 gallon tank?

Craig
Thank you, yes it's easy to manage and I don't see any agression between them.

[sanjay21]

These guys are growing insane !! Great job Bryan!
I can see you being the Piwowarski guy for the US :)

[warblad79]

These guys are growing insane !! Great job Bryan!
I can see you being the Piwowarski guy for the US :)

Thank you! That's a very huge compliment but I'm not even close to Alex P.

[snxtif]

Thank you for your tips Bryan.
This thread is one of the most, if not the most inspirational and educational yet!


Also, may I ask, normally you'd WC twice a day, until what size?

[warblad79]

Thank you for your tips Bryan.
This thread is one of the most, if not the most inspirational and educational yet!


Also, may I ask, normally you'd WC twice a day, until what size? thank you for checking my thread

When they reach about 3 months old but will change if bioload and feeding increases as well as water change. I try not limit my water change and also good filtration would be ideal for overcrowding tank especially when you have huge batch.

[snxtif]

Thanks for your reply.

I have one 8 months old batch, a couple of them are still <4".

Wonder if I shall still give them the last boost with over-power-water-change lol.

[warblad79]

After beefheart buffet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORoeQM92UaM&t=10s

[modealings]

These guys are growing insane !! Great job Bryan!
I can see you being the Piwowarski guy for the US :)

Speaking of Piwowarski - I thought I remembered reading once that he injects O2 into his growout tanks. I wonder if anyone else does that - Could certainly be an interesting experiment.

Looking fantastic as always Bryan.

[warblad79]

Speaking of Piwowarski - I thought I remembered reading once that he injects O2 into his growout tanks. I wonder if anyone else does that - Could certainly be an interesting experiment.

Looking fantastic as always Bryan.

Thank you, I've never tried it but would be nice experiment. Well oxygenated tank will definitely boost the growth in my experienced.

[warblad79]

They're doing excellent as always and hungry most of the time. Still hasn't increase the water level, I feel is not the right time yet since there's still plenty of space for them to roam.
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[jawfish]

Wow Bryan, these guys are growing like crazy. Well done buddy. Reading through these 13 pages has been a humbling experience. I never got such growth rate. Thanks for sharing your recipe with us. I am so glad that I've been concentrating on my garage build instead of my discus room. I'm now questioning part of my set-up. The grow out section is being is now full of question instead of being settled :o

Feeding is also an aspect that I've been looking been looking a lot. my simple conclusion is that I need to maintain feeding daily BB brine shrimps for a lot longer, I normally stop once they accept 200-300us golden pearls.

I'm also going to increase the amount of water change clearly daily 100 are not enough. This tread is clearly showing me this.

AS for Piwo injecting oxygen in his tank, he explained on Diskusportal forum several years ago that he had discovered his fry grow much better when the water was almost at full oxygen saturation hence in injected pure oxygen to aerate his water.

Cheers,
Fred

[warblad79]

Wow Bryan, these guys are growing like crazy. Well done buddy. Reading through these 13 pages has been a humbling experience. I never got such growth rate. Thanks for sharing your recipe with us. I am so glad that I've been concentrating on my garage build instead of my discus room. I'm now questioning part of my set-up. The grow out section is being is now full of question instead of being settled :o

Feeding is also an aspect that I've been looking been looking a lot. my simple conclusion is that I need to maintain feeding daily BB brine shrimps for a lot longer, I normally stop once they accept 200-300us golden pearls.

I'm also going to increase the amount of water change clearly daily 100 are not enough. This tread is clearly showing me this.

AS for Piwo injecting oxygen in his tank, he explained on Diskusportal forum several years ago that he had discovered his fry grow much better when the water was almost at full oxygen saturation hence in injected pure oxygen to aerate his water.

Cheers,
Fred

Thank you Fred! It's good to see you here my friend. Keep feeding them up to 12 weeks old combined with golden pearls is also good. Only feed fresh BBS if more 24 hours had past after hatching otherwise discard it. I only make BBS that would last me for 12 hours and then I'll make a new batch so they have endless supply of fresh BBS.

[warblad79]

Begging for food after 100% WC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfqyXNYQTXM&t=21s

[Phil4Discus]

I'm not doing this just for myself or the trophy but also for those who wants to learn how to raise discus properly. I hope you guys learning something out of it.:)

I'm enamored with what you have been able to accomplish. I'm new to Simply Discus and this thread was recommended to be read by someone after asking about growth and stunting in the beginners thread. Your work is inspiring and I'm hoping one day I too can breed and raise discus fry as successfully as you and many others competing in this contest. I had no idea this was a thing and I'm absolutely addicted now! I've learned so much that I wish I would have learned prior to receiving my own discus. I love the idea about the lights on 24/7, wish I thought of that (though at times it was an accident when I did leave them on). With your water changes, do you have a system set up to make this automated or are you just using a normal tube and siphon to get the job done because I couldn't tell by the photos. Also, that secret potion comment was quite elusive. haha What would it be? ;)

[warblad79]

I'm enamored with what you have been able to accomplish. I'm new to Simply Discus and this thread was recommended to be read by someone after asking about growth and stunting in the beginners thread. Your work is inspiring and I'm hoping one day I too can breed and raise discus fry as successfully as you and many others competing in this contest. I had no idea this was a thing and I'm absolutely addicted now! I've learned so much that I wish I would have learned prior to receiving my own discus. I love the idea about the lights on 24/7, wish I thought of that (though at times it was an accident when I did leave them on). With your water changes, do you have a system set up to make this automated or are you just using a normal tube and siphon to get the job done because I couldn't tell by the photos. Also, that secret potion comment was quite elusive. haha What would it be? ;)

Thanks for following my thread and I hope you're learning something from it. As for the WC, I don't have automated setup and I'm still using the normal tube with water pump attached to it to drain the water a little faster. Also I have a separate pump to refill the tank.

[xKevinx]

Killer! I've been away for a week or so and haven't looked at any updates.. l just saw your last video you posted.. Huge difference. Very well done sir
Cheers

[warblad79]

Killer! I've been away for a week or so and haven't looked at any updates.. l just saw your last video you posted.. Huge difference. Very well done sir
Cheers

Thank you

[Phil4Discus]

Thanks for following my thread and I hope you're learning something from it. As for the WC, I don't have automated setup and I'm still using the normal tube with water pump attached to it to drain the water a little faster. Also I have a separate pump to refill the tank.

I've definitely have been learning a lot! Thanks for the quick reply!

[Second Hand Pat]

Hi Bryan, through out your grow-out thread you have mentioned about feeding a BH mix when the fry got older but as best I can tell you are only feeding dry foods? Are you feeding a BH mix currently?
Pat

[warblad79]

Hi Bryan, through out your grow-out thread you have mentioned about feeding a BH mix when the fry got older but as best I can tell you are only feeding dry foods? Are you feeding a BH mix currently?
Pat

I started giving them beefheart mix yesterday before I do my WC.

[nc0gnet0]

Lol!



I only did one water change that day because added some magic potion and I want to make sure it gets absorb by them.

Doesn't keeping secrets kinda defeat the purpose of the contest?

[warblad79]

Doesn't keeping secrets kinda defeat the purpose of the contest?

Yes, I agree that's why it's a contest otherwise we'll copy each other and that would defeat the purpose of the contest.

[warblad79]

It's time for pictures.
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During feeding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69TLuRFRp_4&t=4s

[two utes]

Nice work with your group Bryan

[warblad79]

Nice work with your group Bryan

Thank you

[Mando]

Bryan, is your background painted or is it a type of film? I tried looking for some sort of adhesive background as to not use paint, but I cannot find any. Any suggestions?

[warblad79]

Bryan, is your background painted or is it a type of film? I tried looking for some sort of adhesive background as to not use paint, but I cannot find any. Any suggestions?

This is acrylic tank, so the blue background came with it.

[Adam S]

Bryan, is your background painted or is it a type of film? I tried looking for some sort of adhesive background as to not use paint, but I cannot find any. Any suggestions?
Oracal 631. A bit less sticky and easier to work with than 651.

[warblad79]

Oracal 631. A bit less sticky and easier to work with than 651.

Thanks for the info, I've been looking for this one as well.

[Mando]

This is acrylic tank, so the blue background came with it.

Thank you, Bryan.


Oracal 631. A bit less sticky and easier to work with than 651.

This is exactly what I was looking for! thank you.

[Adam S]

Glad to help. I should mention that 651 is fine (I have it on two tanks), just the adhesive is really strong. It's tricky to smooth even with water sprayed down.

[warblad79]

Quick update...I haven't been paying attention to them much lately due to overwhelming work. I'm sort of busy with new batch of fry and other breeding project as well as work related. But routine remain the same as usual and hard to tell if any increase in growth. So I let you guys be the judge.
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[danotaylor]

Looking good mate!! Gonna be nice as adults for sure :thumbsup:

[warblad79]

Looking good mate!! Gonna be nice as adults for sure :thumbsup:
Thanks

I can tell there are about 5 that will probably grow exceptionally.

[Paul Sabucchi]

Coming along real nice, well done

[warblad79]

Coming along real nice, well done

Thank you

[Altum Nut]

So I let you guys be the judge.


Great shape, look very healthy and lets not forget complete monsters at this stage for their age. Superb work Tobi.

...Ralph

[warblad79]

Great shape, look very healthy and lets not forget complete monsters at this stage for their age. Superb work Tobi.

...Ralph

Thank you, I appreciate your opinion and that gives me an idea where I am at.

[warblad79]

Actively looking for food.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOSQhbo9xv4&t=48s

[Pices]

That’s amazing!
Patty

[warblad79]

That’s amazing!
Patty

Thank you

[RogueDiscus]

Hi bryan,
Looking great. Do you have a couple that look to be almost solids, or is the patterning just not very prominent?

[warblad79]

Hi bryan,
Looking great. Do you have a couple that look to be almost solids, or is the patterning just not very prominent?

Thank you! The biggest SS looks to be more solid to me but hard to tell for some since they're still young.

[Mando]

How did you manage 100% water changes twice a day without losing the tanks cycle? I had to re-cycle my tank and lower my water changes to 50% twice a day. I thought quickly when I lost my cycle and purchased a small HOB and added my maintanks filter media.

[warblad79]

How did you manage 100% water changes twice a day without losing the tanks cycle? I had to re-cycle my tank and lower my water changes to 50% twice a day. I thought quickly when I lost my cycle and purchased a small HOB and added my maintanks filter media.

You don't need a cycle tank as long as the replacement water is stable. In Asia, they don't even used sponge filter just airstone for water agitation and oxygenation since they do frequent water changes.

[warblad79]

Sneak peek: I think this is 2nd biggest in the group almost 3.5" and the smallest is probably 3". I'll take more measurements and pics tomorrow.
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[danotaylor]

Bewdy mate :thumbsup:

[warblad79]

Bewdy mate :thumbsup:

Thank you!

[jeep]

Good looking - Very round!!!

[warblad79]

Good looking - Very round!!!

Thank you!

[warblad79]

As promised, here are the measurements for each...3"-3.5"
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[Tshethar]

Congrats--really nice! You're making it look easy. :)

(It's not!)

[warblad79]

Congrats--really nice! You're making it look easy. :)

(It's not!)

Thank you! Bill

[sanjay21]

Great results my friend :)

[warblad79]

Great results my friend :)

Thank you

[rickztahone]

Great job on the growouts Bryan. They look nice and healthy.

[warblad79]

Great job on the growouts Bryan. They look nice and healthy.

Thank you!

[XIHOHORORORO]

hello sir, new here, i already read your post. very interesting!
they are already 4 months old, how they doing ?

[warblad79]

hello sir, new here, i already read your post. very interesting!
they are already 4 months old, how they doing ?

They are doing great so far and very healthy...all of them are still alive.

[XIHOHORORORO]

They are doing great so far and very healthy...all of them are still alive.

Which size do they have right now ? i got a batch of piwo red turqs and they are bout the same age ( 4 months ), and some of them are reaching 4 inches!

[warblad79]

Which size do they have right now ? i got a batch of piwo red turqs and they are bout the same age ( 4 months ), and some of them are reaching 4 inches!

I'm not sure what size the are now but my last measurement 3.5" is the largest and 3" is the smallest.

[tolgayaman]

Enchanting. I had been reading all the challanges , and got more info than I thought I know. Thank you for sharing the experience so openly. Great work.

[warblad79]

They are temporarily moved to a bigger tank while I'm sanitizing their own tank for the time being. So far they are perfectly healthy and I still have all 10 of them.
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[SidJones]

Looking GREAT!

[warblad79]

Looking GREAT!

Thank you

[Filip]

Very nice progress Brian . They seem to be growing "by the book " so far .
Maybe you ve all ready mention it but what kind of discus flakes were you using , are they from Tropical too ?
Also on sanitizing .... How often and why do you sanitize the tank ? Do you occasionally PP the filters and discus too , or just the tank walls and equipment ?

Keep up the good work and updates in your thread Brian.

[Combo]

Thanks, I'm still feeding them high protein beefheart mixed flakes and BBS.

where do you get your beefheart flakes from

[danotaylor]

where do you get your beefheart flakes from

I I msg'd Bryan the same qn last year. This is the link he msg'd me;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Beef-Heart-MIX-Flakes-AF-Custom-Beef-Heart-Mix-Flakes-for-Discus-Cichlids/232021957067?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=531214902199&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

[Combo]

Thanks I appreciate that very much

[fljones3]

I I msg'd Bryan the same qn last year. This is the link he msg'd me;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Beef-Heart-MIX-Flakes-AF-Custom-Beef-Heart-Mix-Flakes-for-Discus-Cichlids/232021957067?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=531214902199&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Excellent flake.

[danotaylor]

Thanks I appreciate that very much

No worries mate!

[cupido]

What’s the latest? How are they doing?

[Filip]

What’s the latest? How are they doing?

I double Cupidos curiousity on this thread Brian .What's new with your challengers ?

[warblad79]

They are currently mixed with my blue moon heckel x juvies because I'm trying to save myself some WC and electricity bill. I still have all 10 of them and seem very healthy.
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[cupido]

All looking great!

[Filip]

Looking great Brian . Cant wait to see the measurements photos and compare them with the rest of the challengers .Great job .