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number1sixerfan
03-02-2021, 08:14 PM
Quick question that I think I already know the answer to (which I think is no :( ). But is anyone aware of specifically a digital nitrate test product or option that's viable for freshwater? Unfortunately, I deal with color blindness to a small degree, which makes it insanely hard to decipher the readings on the color coded tests. To get around this, I have my girlfriend review the tests for me lol. Which gets really old and isn't really always practical.

I've searched online and I can't really find much of anything..only a few options for saltwater only. It's quite frustrating so I thought what do I have to lose by asking. Any help is very much appreciated either way. Thank you in advance!!

AquaticNerd
03-02-2021, 08:21 PM
The only ones I'm aware of are the ones made by Hanna Instruments, but it's pretty pricey: https://www.hannainst.com/nitrate-portable-photometer-hi96786.html

LizStreithorst
03-02-2021, 08:43 PM
That's a nice looking gadget. Hanna is my go to place for meters. They're very trustworthy. I'm glad I don't need one that costs that much, though.

number1sixerfan
03-02-2021, 09:11 PM
The only ones I'm aware of are the ones made by Hanna Instruments, but it's pretty pricey: https://www.hannainst.com/nitrate-portable-photometer-hi96786.html

Thank you!! They are actually the one brand I came across, but the aqua specific products looked specially made for Saltwater. I didn't see this. The cost is a lot, but I really may consider it, it's a huge pain with the color based tests. Thank you again!

Iminit
03-02-2021, 10:53 PM
Lol I’ll keep shaking and guessing the color. Well that is if I test for nitrates :). Maybe when I stop water changing?

number1sixerfan
03-03-2021, 12:49 AM
Lol I’ll keep shaking and guessing the color. Well that is if I test for nitrates :). Maybe when I stop water changing?

Lol :). The problem is it's a planted tank, so it's important for me to know the levels generally at least once a week. I'm changing water every other day with adult discus, but it's really counterproductive for the plants and so trying to maintain the right nitrate balance is tough (which I know everyone knows is the tough thing about planted Discus tanks).

AquaticNerd
03-03-2021, 10:05 AM
Yep - Hanna instruments does have a lot of saltwater-based meters and checkers, but that's because it needs some different tech/sensors due to the salinity. Any of their standard water checkers/meters that isn't geared toward saltwater works for freshwater aquariums.

I agree that it is pricey, but the digital readout meters are about the only other option. Hanna makes great tools, so I don't think you'd be disappointed if you splurged for that. It really is unfortunate that all of our standard test kits are color-based, but it's cheaper to manufacture reagents and fulfills the 98% of customer needs.

Iminit
03-03-2021, 11:14 AM
Oh did you say planted tanks :).130733130734. My plants are thriving with the water changes!

number1sixerfan
03-03-2021, 02:00 PM
Yep - Hanna instruments does have a lot of saltwater-based meters and checkers, but that's because it needs some different tech/sensors due to the salinity. Any of their standard water checkers/meters that isn't geared toward saltwater works for freshwater aquariums.

I agree that it is pricey, but the digital readout meters are about the only other option. Hanna makes great tools, so I don't think you'd be disappointed if you splurged for that. It really is unfortunate that all of our standard test kits are color-based, but it's cheaper to manufacture reagents and fulfills the 98% of customer needs.

Again, I appreciate it, wouldn't have known! :)

And @Iminit, nice tank. Mine do just fine with large water changes as well, and it isn't my first planted discus tank. My only point is that due to the careful balance of nitrates you need to achieve with planted tanks (which becomes even more important when considering beyond easy care plants such the ones pictured above), and how large frequent water changes can impact that, it can be important to understand where your nitrates are. I only test like once a week to ensure a general balance exists in the tank. Cheers!

LizStreithorst
03-03-2021, 02:28 PM
If you get that meter you'll be able to test whenever the whim to know strikes and not have to bother the girlfriend once a week. At least you know you have color blindness. Many guys have no idea why they are unable to read the liquid test. They blame it on the test.

number1sixerfan
03-03-2021, 04:12 PM
If you get that meter you'll be able to test whenever the whim to know strikes and not have to bother the girlfriend once a week. At least you know you have color blindness. Many guys have no idea why they are unable to read the liquid test. They blame it on the test.

It's been an issue my entire life but it's very very subtle, I'm thankful it's really not too bad. In real, regular life it doesn't bother me much at all, but it just kills me with that test! I can't tell what is what lol

Iminit
03-03-2021, 06:51 PM
Lol it’s not just you. That test was designed so nobody knows and at best all you can do is guess. The best way is to put the vial right over the color chart. If you can see a color through the vial that’s not it.it’s the last one you can’t see :).130737 this is actually 20ppm. Next to it you would have guessed 180!!

LizStreithorst
03-03-2021, 07:43 PM
I guessed 80! What a terrible product.

dspeers
03-03-2021, 07:52 PM
Very cool way to read a color chart, once shown seems a blinding flash of the obvious and yes, I have been doing it wrong for years. I got a Hanna sales rep on the phone several months ago who indicated that Hanna was coming out with a fresh water nitrate checker " sometime soon as in less than a year", digital but in line with the other checkers rather than the 300+ unit shown above. I haven't pursued as my tanks are on hold. To date have not seen it but I keep hoping, you may want to contact them and see if there is an updated timeline https://www.hannainst.com/contact-us

Iminit
03-03-2021, 09:17 PM
For me I’ve never bought into the high nitrate thing. It’s all a gimmick to sell product. High nitrate get nitra-sorb or de-nitrate or.... listen to the pond guru... bio-home reduces nitrate just take out all those useless sponges you get with the filter and replace with 2lbs of my fancy cut lava rocks for $100 and nitrate will be gone. Hey hey we’ve got matrix to do that. Buy our stuff!! In reality sponge has the best surface area for bacteria to grow on:eek: nitrate really doesn’t matter unless you never change your water. Than when you add new fish they die :(. And if you do a major water change all your fish die. Why from shock. If you gradually change the water all would be good. Rant done :).

Ratin3
03-04-2021, 08:42 AM
https://www.marinedepot.com/hi781-marine-low-range-nitrate-checker-hc-handheld-colorimeter-hanna-instruments?utm_source=mdcsegooglebase2&s4_reward_code=none&incentive_id=2&stat_id=62059700

pablos
03-04-2021, 09:07 AM
https://www.marinedepot.com/hi781-marine-low-range-nitrate-checker-hc-handheld-colorimeter-hanna-instruments?utm_source=mdcsegooglebase2&s4_reward_code=none&incentive_id=2&stat_id=62059700

I don't think it's very practical as the range is 0.00 to 5.00 pm (m/L) NO3. It might be great for reef tank, but in our case it might be <5ppm just after major water change or above that. It would just give you a hint that you have just done a water change :-)

dspeers
03-04-2021, 10:09 AM
I know Marine Depot indicates this is accurate for fresh water but Hanna states otherwise. Given the differential in price, I suppose you could argue a conflict of interest...

BILL H.
Verified Reviewer
12/31/20
Q: CAN THIS NITRATE TESTER BE USED IN A FRESH WATER AQUARIUM AND GIVE ACCURATE RESULTS?
Answers (1)
Hanna Instruments
01/04/21
A: The product (HI781) is designed for Salt water only, we do make a Nitrate colorimeter for fresh water. the product code is HI97728

dspeers
03-04-2021, 10:24 AM
pablos, you could either do serial 1:1 dilutions with distilled water, then multiply your results by 2, 4, 8 or use their dilution method which gives results at .1 actual value, multiply the meter value by 10 and your range is 0-50

dspeers
03-04-2021, 10:36 AM
Tom, love the rant. My goal with nitrates is more the "canary in the coal mine" model. With (what I think are) adequate water changes if the nitrates start climbing then something is wrong. Given the desire to achieve stability, my plan is to monitor TDS, Nitrates, kH and gH, in addition to pH as an assessment of tank health. Might even look at the fish to see how they are doing :D Given your success with plants I would guess you might actually have to add nitrate fertilizer. The canary model is compromised if the plants are eating all the nitrates but even then if nitrates start climbing something is wrong...

Megalodon
03-10-2021, 04:35 PM
This is the cheapest accurate nitrate test:

https://www.hach.com/dr-900-multiparameter-handheld-colorimeter/product-parameter-reagent?id=15684103251

It can use the chromotropic acid method which isn't a random number generator like the traditional tests:

https://www.hach.com/nitraver-x-nitrogen-nitrate-reagent-set-hr/product?id=7640209853&callback=qs

Deeeee
03-22-2021, 02:46 AM
I'm a fan of this rant. I struggle to get my nitrates to stay below 20 in my planted tank but my fish are happy so I've stopped obsessing over it. That said, I've been using only the stock fluval bio cylinders and recently added matrix so maybe the extra surface will help.

number1sixerfan
03-29-2021, 07:56 PM
This is the cheapest accurate nitrate test:

https://www.hach.com/dr-900-multiparameter-handheld-colorimeter/product-parameter-reagent?id=15684103251

It can use the chromotropic acid method which isn't a random number generator like the traditional tests:

https://www.hach.com/nitraver-x-nitrogen-nitrate-reagent-set-hr/product?id=7640209853&callback=qs

Have you tried hanna instruments products by chance?


I'm a fan of this rant. I struggle to get my nitrates to stay below 20 in my planted tank but my fish are happy so I've stopped obsessing over it. That said, I've been using only the stock fluval bio cylinders and recently added matrix so maybe the extra surface will help.

I hang around 10-15ppm. It's not something I obsess over at all, but in the odd event that it creeps up to say 25ppm, etc, I'd like to know so I don't add ferts to the tank that day/week for example. If it gets really low, I'll know to add more ferts as well.