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Ardan
06-23-2002, 04:56 PM
Osmosis in the Aquarium
Osmosis is very important to fish and if we understand the principles involved, we can use it to our advantage in helping our fish in times of stress.
Osmosis is the process where water moves through a semi permeable membrane (fish skin or gill membrane) from a lower concentration of minerals (aquarium water) to a higher concentration of minerals (fish’s body). The semi permeable membrane (fish skin or gill membrane) only allows water to pass through it, (in and out), not the minerals. This is how freshwater fish stay hydrated. Saltwater fish have to drink lots of water and retain water through their kidneys, excreting minerals, to stay hydrated.
  “Osmotic Pressure” is the “force” on the water to move it from the low concentration of minerals to the high concentration of minerals. As water enters the cell, the cell membrane expands and causes “osmotic pressure” to rise within the cell. This helps control the amount of water entering the cell. Freshwater fish excrete water as “dilute urine” from the kidneys. This keeps them from becoming “waterlogged”. (Dr. Carrington 1985)
If we add salt to the aquarium water, increasing the mineral concentration outside the fish, the process is reversed and some of the water is “drawn out” of the fish’s cells (or it limits the amount of water that enters the fish’s cells),  decreasing the pressure within the fish cells, making the fish “feel better”.  They also do not have to use the kidneys as heavily to excrete excess water.
If the concentration of the salt in the water is high, as in a “salt bath”, water is drawn out of cells (such as bacteria or parasites), and destroys them. The concentration and length of time in the bath and the type of cell walls determine which cells survive and which don’t.
Osmosis is also affected by the depth of the water that the fish is in. This is called “hydrostatic pressure”. (Water pressure) Therefore, the deeper the fish goes, the more water pressure outside the fish, resulting in “more” water wanting to flow “into” the fish’s cells.
“Reverse Osmosis” is the process of water moving through a semi permeable membrane (only allowing water to pass through) from a high concentration of minerals to a low concentration of minerals through the use of “water pressure”. (Hydrostatic pressure)

Sources;
“Maintaining a Healthy Aquarium” by Dr. Neville Carrington, Salamander Books 1985
“World Book Dictionary” by Clarence L. Barnhart and Robert K. Barnhart, World Book
     Inc. 1991
“World Book Encyclopedia” by World Book Inc. 1990
“Anatomy and Physiology” by Anthony and Thibodeau, C.V. Mosby  Company 1983

Internet Resources
http://www.science.ubc.ca/~biomania/tutorial/osmosis/p01.htm
http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab/b063.htm
http://www.biologie.uni-hamburg.de/b-online/e22/22c.htm
http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/cmb/cells/pmemb/hydrostatic.html
http://casino.cchs.usyd.edu.au/bio//FHmembrane/tsld010.htm
http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/sci/A0860174.html
http://members.tripod.com/~urila/
http://encarta.msn.com/find/Concise.asp?z=1&pg=2&ti=761570442
http://www.bartleby.com/65/os/osmosis.html

http://learn.chem.vt.edu/tutorials/solutions/osmoticp.html
http://www.zoology.ubc.ca/courses/bio332/Labs/OSMO.HTM
http://ww2.lafayette.edu/~hollidac/osmoticprimer.html
http://www.csuchico.edu/~pmaslin/ichthy/fshrsp.html
http://www.dphnet.com/sub-article/cat-02/biology.shtml

Food for thought:
Does the increased hardness (mineral content) that we “grow” our discus in, change the osmotic pressures and affect growth rates?
hth
Ardan

brewmaster15
06-27-2002, 11:45 AM
Nicely Done Ardan! Thank You!!!! :)
-al

nokoto
09-04-2003, 06:14 PM
For Ardan

Cool posting...

How do we know how to test for that, since I make my own water up...

Sorry if it sounds a suppid question, vaid point though...

Since there are some newb's like myself, understand the concept, but can't messure it... Wayne

Ardan
09-04-2003, 07:27 PM
Hi,
Generally the only time this will come into play in the aquarium is when using salt , especially in high concentrations. (from 2 tbsp/10 gal to 1 tblsp/ one gallon)

Measuring mineral concentration is done with a meter that either measures in microsiemens or total dissolved solids (tds meter).
Randal B. sells them, usually they are only necessary when breeding and wanting to know the hardness parameters. But if you mix your own water and minerals or use RO water, than a meter is pretty handy. More accurate than the color change hardness tests.

hth

no questions are stupid, we all learn from each other :)

nokoto
09-04-2003, 07:37 PM
Thanks for the posting but is that the same as a conductive meter... ?

It's tells if the water is dense in salts etc, what should the RO be when adding it to the tank, and is that in a driffrent range to that of the tank

Cheers I'm all ears, ;D

As a phase not in life he he he

Wayne

Ardan
09-05-2003, 06:43 AM
Yes a conductivity meter is very similar to a tds meter. One reads in microsiemens, one reads in mg/l.
There is a conversion factor depending on which meter you use.

Most of the time its only necessary to monitor hardness when breeding or when water is too soft and minerals are needed. Then stability is important.
RO water has almost no minerals, so mixing RO plus tap, or RO plus minerals is required, the meters help reach the desired range and keep stability.

Read more in the water works section, under hardness, meters etc (look in the index in that section)
hth

dalelad
10-02-2003, 11:56 PM
hello Ardan,

does this mean that to lower the stress and speed up the recovery process of the fishes, a higher salt content and lower water levels are best for the fish?

from your article, i sort of reconciled the reason as to why fishes crowd at the top corner of a tank whenever they're sick - because at higher water levels, the pressure's lower?

thanks Ardan!

dale
singapore

Ardan
10-03-2003, 06:20 AM
Hi Dale,
many times salt and wc's and maybe and increase in temp is all that is needed to help a fish recover. It may be that the stress releif provided can help the fishes own immune system combat whatever is affecting it.
I don't know if huddling at the top relieves enough pressure, but maybe that helps or maybe there is a bit more O2 there?? Good thoughts! :)

henryD
10-03-2003, 01:12 PM
Ardan,


Great post. It helps explain some of the stuff that are recommended as fish treatments. Always wanted to know the logic behind the things we do.

Henry

dalelad
10-03-2003, 02:15 PM
okay.. i was just quarantining my batch of 5 golden fishes. they're genetically weaker than other fishes i've dealt with.. no pigeon parentage, just brown mutants outcrossed to leopard snakeskins

i lowered the water level, aerated my 3-foot tank with 4 airstones, and it relieved their condition abit, fins are no longer clamped up.

the fishes only remain calm at the bottom if the water level's near enough to them as they rest at the bottom. i'm quite sure they weren't clamping up at the top corner of the tank for air - like i suspected, maybe its the pressure thing. i aerated my water just the same.. very very much!

yay.. i like these discussions.. we're learning every moment!

thanks Ardan!

rgds,
dale
singapore

Ardan
10-04-2003, 04:45 PM
Youre welcome and thanks for the interest and the input. I hope you enjoy your discus.
Its good to have you here! :) 8)

jim_shedden
11-01-2003, 11:06 AM
Ardan..........I just got through all that............excellent.............thankyou.

Jim

Ardan
11-01-2003, 09:04 PM
Hi Jim,
I am glad that you found it of interest. Its all very interesting to me, and seems like I am always learning something around here! 8) :)

jeep
11-10-2003, 10:26 AM
Excellent post Ardan...

In Jr. High, I once asked a teacher why fresh water fish can't live in salt water (and vise versa). He didn't go into that much detail, but he basically said because fish's cell structure would implode/explode.

After reading your post, it makes more sense now... It also makes sense that higher salt concentration in a human can decrease the chances of dehydration, which is why the football coaches always had a bottle of salt tabs on hand during hot days...

It also explains why some elderly people can suffer from congestive heart failure simply by consuming a meal that is high in sodium.

Brian

Ardan
11-10-2003, 07:28 PM
:)
Salt is a major component of high blood pressure in many people. It keeps the water in the body and blood vessels, thus increasing blood volume and causing increase pressure.
Nice add ons Brian! 8)

caca
08-25-2004, 10:15 AM
hello Ardan,

does this mean that to lower the stress and speed up the recovery process of the fishes, a higher salt content and lower water levels are best for the fish?

from your article, i sort of reconciled the reason as to why fishes crowd at the top corner of a tank whenever they're sick - because at higher water levels, the pressure's lower?

thanks Ardan!

dale
singapore


it makes sense if we are talking about Physics.:)
but i wonder why the fishes will stay near the surface when they are sick. shouldn't be the other way round? when fishes are sick, they are under tremendous stress. staying near the surface means they feel saft and comfortable with the environment, because in nature it's easier for predater to catch fishes near the surface!!
? ???