RSG & Marlboro Fry

[paulmat]

Thier newest batch of fry 8)
Paul

[paulmat]

Heres another

[paulmat]

One more I promise ;D

[April]

Good pics.
was it his turn to mind the kids...or are they not as attracted to her..or him...cause its a marlboro?

[paulmat]

I think he(RSG) has more slime on him than she does. I have read that the PB strains don't produce as much slime coat as compared to other strains,
Paul :guitarist:

Good luck Paulmat.... that's TERRIFIC!!!!!

[BLUEKNIGHT]

Nice fish Paul. Keep us posted. ;D

[paulmat]

Thought I would update the pics on these guys

Paul :guitarist:

[paulmat]

Heres Mom

[paulmat]

One more

[Willie]

Most interesting is that four days earlier, all the frys were on the RSG. Now, the Marlboro is also taking care of frys. In my experience, I have had reason to believe that PBs will produce slime, but that the development of slime is delayed. If you can get past the first 2 - 3 days, the frys will attach and feed off a PB or a PB derivative like Marlboro. What are your thoughts?

Willie

[paulmat]

Willie
I have heard and read the same and it sure appears that it's true. The RSG still seems to be the primary host. Allthou the female does seem to be stepping it up a little more in the last couple of days.

Another interesting thing is how much more aggresive the female is.She's downright mean to me :'(

Paul :guitarist:

[EthanCote.com]

Hey Paul,

What does RSG stands for? Red Snakeskin Green??

Also your Marlboro looks like it was created from a Sans Merah, is this correct?

Wish u luck with the fries.

Danks.


Cheers,

Chi.

[paulmat]

Chi
RSG stands for Red Spotted Green, this one is a wild.
The Marlboro does have Sans Merah bloodlines.
Thanks for the good luck wish ;D

Paul :guitarist:

[paulmat]

Heres some more pics I took today.
Paul :guitarist:

[paulmat]

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[paulmat]

One more.

I hope you are all enjoying the pics ;D

Let me know if you want me to stop :furious:

Paul :guitarist:

[DHDiscusMan]

Don't stop. I'm learning a lot. Can't wait for my adults to get in the mood.

Dan

You are doing fantastic PaulMat!!!!! Keep posting pictures.... this is why we have the photo thread!!!! I love seeing your pictures and agree with
DH discusman.... its a teaching tool, and fun to watch someone else's success. I will trade you some babies for some leopard babies when they get older???? hey...............????? Now, quit pickin' that guitar and get to snappin'......... heeheehee!!!! (If you are like me- you are SWAMPED with water changes from all those little ones!!!!!!!!) I am so happy for you!!!! It is alot of work.... but FUN, FUN, FUN to finally get there!!!!! ;D

[paulmat]

I thought I'd send some more pics.I'm going to seperate them on Wed. I'm sure mom and Dad will be very happy ;D

Paul :guitarist:
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One more :o

[limige]

they look great, keep the pics coming!

have this pair breed successfully in the past for you?! your doing awesome, i love the rsg's and am determine's to breed some spotted fish, they're becoming my favorite!

[paulmat]

Limige

This is the furthest they have gone. They have had wigglers once and ate them.
I guess thier too big to eat now ;D

Paul :guitarist:

[DarkDiscus]

Paul,

I am curious to see how they grow out. MRxRSG is one of the possible combinations of my gang and I'd like to see if I should encourage or discourage the cross.

John

Very cool PaulMat!!!!!!! Keep up the good work!!!!!

[paulmat]

John

I to am curious to see how the mix turns out. I think it could be very interesting ;) I have been excited for a while to see what they produce together,I have other pairs (BD's,A Leopard/Wild Green,and a BD/Ocean Green), but these are the guys I have been anxious about :bounce: :bounce:
Thanks and I'll keep posting.

Paul :guitarist:

[limige]

well you've done an awesome job, that is a great hatch!! my females tend not to lay alot of eggs so far. still waiting for the male to discover his part. ::)

congrats again, keep us posted!

[paulmat]

I took some more pics today, this is thier last day with the parents ;D

Paul :guitarist:

[paulmat]

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[paulmat]

Last one ;D

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Looking good PaulMat!!!!!!!

[paulmat]

Day 1, All alone in this big ole tank :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce2:

It allmost seemed that the parents were helping round them up for me :whip:

[paulmat]

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[limige]

i'm jealous :o ;D

[paulmat]

They are getting big and red :D

[paulmat]

Most of thier sis's and bro's were at the other end of the tank,there sure are a lot of these lil' piggies :)

Paul

[paulmat]

Feeding time, day 24
The parents spawned again last night, with a huge amt. of eggs :o

Paul :guitarist:

....... I am so excited for you PaulMat!!! Keep it up, you are doing great and they look like they are growing too!!!!! Mine are moving to a 75 gallon on Saturday!!!!! So far, have lost about 24, but still have alot that look good!

Weezy

[paulmat]

Weezy
I have not lost one yet.The other day when I was siphoning,I sucked one up,fortunatly I use a bucket and when I went to net him he jumped out of the net and landed on the floor. I looked all over couldn't find it.Then I realized it went under the rack,so I got my net and slid it under and sure enough I got it.To my suprise it was still alive,barely,Do you believe, it still is. They all seem to be doing great,and they are getting big

Paul

[paulmat]

I thought I would show feeding time to everybody.

They love thier worms :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce2:

Paul :guitarist:

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[paulmat]

Gettin Bigger :)

Weezy,see one you like?

Paul :guitarist:

[paulmat]

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[paulmat]

This is my first post with the new cam,Ihope this works :P
Here are the babies as of yesterday
paul :guitarist:

[paulmat]

Yeah!!!!!!!!!
I Did it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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[paulmat]

I'll get better With the pics I promise ::)

[paulmat]

I was trying to post this pic in my profile,but it didn'work :P

[April]

I'll take the one in the middle to the left and a bit down. ;D
they look great.

[paulmat]

O.K. April
The only thing is you have to come over and catch him :D lol

Paul :guitarist:

They look great!!!! Yes, I see a bunch I like!!!! On your picture for your profile, do this: Open your picture and make it 65 X 65 pixels, save it as a jpeg. (Should be able to do this in Zoombrowser- go to file, export) Then go to the web (free homepage maybe - and pick a format with photo options. Insert your picture. Once it is live on the web, right click on the picture, go to properties and copy the URL address. Now go to Simply, profile and paste your URL address under the "I have my own pic" and check the box. Save changes.

If you still have problems, e-mail me your picture and I will fix it for you - but I want the big version and I will downsize it to fit it for you and I will place it on the web and send you the URL address, and then all you have to do is open your profile and paste it. (PM me for my e-mail address)

Although it appears to me, that you just didn't quite go small enough. Right click on your picture and you will see that your pixels are 96X72. Make it 65X65 and try again!!!

Weezy ;D

[Willie]

Real nice spawn, Paul. For the record, it looks like 100% of the young lack vertical bars. That is, the Marlboro/PB trait is dominant in this cross.

Willie

[paulmat]

Willie
I would guess maybe 20% will have the stress bars,you just don't see any in these pics,but I'll try and get a good one of one them

Paul :guitarist:

[paulmat]

Weezy

I think I finally got it right :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce:

[Willie]

Paul;

That's good information. I would guess that you're looking at 2 genes controlling vertical bars, with one gene behaving as a semi-dominant (~1/4 ratio). That's consistent with everything else I've seen in PB type crosses. Interesting to see the RSG parent behaving the same way genetically as standard RT types.

Willie

:bounce2: :bounce2: Way to go PaulMat!!! :bounce2: :bounce2:

Weezy ;D

[paulmat]

Here they are at 6 wks. old :blushing:

Paul :guitarist:

[paulmat]

There is a batch of eggs hatching at this moment with probably just as many as this first one 120 + I'd say.

[paulmat]

One more

[paulmat]

7wks old now

[paulmat]

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FEED ME

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[DREW]

Cool pics, Luv the tanks full of those little guys. It looks like they are growing like weeds. Good job!

Drew

[Carol_Roberts]

HI PauL:

They look a lot like mine. How many and what size tank do you have them in now? What all are you feeding them?

Carol :heart1:

[paulmat]

Hi Carol
There are about 90 left(have sold 34) in a 40, but in a few days there going into a 120 gal.
I feed them CBW,Blood Worms,Mysis shrimp,beefheart mix,teta bits,and would probably eat all my kitchen leftovers. lol

Thanks Drew,it is a cool sight ;)

Paul :guitarist:

[keno]

Paul, that last one is a GREAT shot!!
Ken

[ping]

Hi Paul,

Did you move the parents out or move the babies out from the breeding tank ?
What is RSG ?

Thanks,

Ronny

[paulmat]

Ronny
The RSG stands for Red Spotted Green.
I move the fry to another tank and leave the parents in thier tank.

Ken, I agree,that's my fav. I'm startin to learn how the new cam. works :P

Paul :guitarist:

Those are awesome pictures PaulMat!!!! Great job!!!! I just love the one where you said "feed me".... and I like the last one too!! Great job!!!! Don't forget about me...... :o :o :o I want some!!!!! They look so cute and they are really getting big!!! Mine are getting up there in size too!!!

Weezy ;D ;D ;D

[paulmat]

Weezy
Anytime your ready, they are. :thumbsup:
Just say when ;D ;D ;D

Paul :guitarist:

[paulmat]

Here you go Weezy, see some you like ;D

Paul :guitarist:

[paulmat]

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Will swarm for food ::)

YES!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D

[paulmat]

Heres a cool one I took last night at feeding time ;D

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[Willie]

Paul;

Congratulations on doing an excellent job. The history of this spawn is really wonderful viewing. Since I'm a genetics freak, I noticed two pictures, #1 posted on Jan 11 and #3 posted on Jan 14, where the babies have very fine vertical bars like what you expect to see on snakeskins. If all those babies are from the same spawn, then your Marlboro may have a snakeskin in the background. How many of these do you see?

Willie

[Carol_Roberts]

Very observant Willie! I see it now too.
Carol :heart1:

[paulmat]

Willie Yes you are very observant!
I have been trying to get a good pic of those guys,but everyone I take is blurry,in fact I was going to post it anywayThere are a dozen or so of that morph.
Paul :guitarist:

[scottwheels]

Well done on raising the spawn - they all look excellent. We had a marlborough and snakeskin spawn together, but we didn't get such nice babies. Ours all looked like peppered pigeons!! I don't see any pepper on yours, all the gold coloured ones are so clean :) Interesting about the genetics though! There's some pics of the babies here. So different! http://forum.simplydiscus.com//index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=3082

Cheers, Scott

P.S. the MR has paired with an RSG now - I should breed them and see if they come out as good as yours!

[Pick]

Looking great Paulmat. You've got some nice round ones there. I've enjoyed the updated photos.

TC

[paulmat]

Thanks Terry,I'll keep postin as long as nobody minds ;D

Scott
here are some with a little peppering,but not much. On some of the ones that do have it there are some that just have it on the tips of thier noses,and clean otherwise ,and those are the girlfriends favorite's

Paul :guitarist:

Paul...

Wow they are of nice size. How old are they now?
Just as Willie stated, turns out my male may be a snakeskin too. The fry are resembling both parents. Some of Mom (Wild) and some of Dad... Fun to watch the changes. They are now 6 weeks fs and larger than the quarter taped to the tank.... I am anxious to see what I have.... :)

[paulmat]

Julz,
They are now 2 mos. old. I just set up thier new 120 gal. home because they are bumping into each other.
There must be 4-5 different types of colorations with these guy's that I have noticed.
Good luck with your's, lets see some pics.

Paul :guitarist:

Paul,

Oooo 2 months... Whatcha feed them? Mine are now off brine 100% and are now on CBW's and 5 different varietys of flake/freeze dried.

I will be posting pics real soon. Want to finish up with the (mini) fish room, and they will come. :)

[paulmat]

Julz
I feed them anything,CBW's,bloodworms,beefheart,mysis shrimp,T. Bits. I think they would eat my table scraps if I threw them in there ::)

Paul :guitarist:

Table scraps. lol
Boy, isn't that the truth..... :D

Looks very good PaulMat!!!! IM me and we will do some trading!!! We love your posts- so never quite!!!!

Weezy ;D

[paulmat]

It is moving day ;D
After being in the40 gal. they have graduated to a 120 gal.
NOW THEY CAN STRETCH OUT :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce:

Paul :guitarist:

[paulmat]

There really coloring up nicely

[paulmat]

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[paulmat]

Last one.

Thanks to all of the Simply family for taking the time to look at my thread and give such positive and helpful support ;D

:bounce2: :bounce2: :bounce2: :bounce2: :bounce2: :bounce2:

PAULMAT

You put too many in the 120... you should of put some in the MAIL.... heeheehee.... for me!!!! ;D

Keep posting em' :cool:

Weezy :o

[Anna Piranha]

Thank you for posting this. I have never seen fry and certainly have never seen them grow into juveniles. It was a great learning experience.

[paulmat]

Thanks Anna
It has been a learning exp. for a few of us ;D
Welcome to Simply,visit us often and post some pics. of your fish,we would love to see them.

Paul :guitarist:

Nice job Paul. You have some very nice shaped fry in there. Keep up the great work.
Take care, Matt
PS, how did the other spawn turn out?? do you have more comming up?

[paulmat]

Matt,
I have more from these same parents,then I have some fry from a pair of Angle BD's, and fry from a Green Diamond/ BD/SS pair. Im quickly running out of room :P

Paul :guitarist:

[wo]

Paulmat:

Nice job! Look at the size and roundness of your fries. You must put a lot of time on them. I wish my discus could breed once. They did spawn but never hatched. Well! mainly my fault. Hope your fries grow quickly and strong.

[paulmat]

I thought I would put this thread to rest and post some last pics. These guy's are getting big and looking real interesting.

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[paulmat]

I have found a lot of these guy's homes,but I need to find a few more.If your interested in buying some IM me and maybe work out a buy or trade. ;D
I also want to thank all of you for your compliments and encouragement you have given me along the way

:wave:

Paul :guitarist:

[Wolf]

Looking great :D I have a similar cross going. How old are your fish now in the last pics.

Hey Paul,

Thanks for keeping us updated on their progress. By the looks of it you've gotten some great growth. I am anxious to see the ones you are sending Weezy..... :)

[paulmat]

Wolf
They are 2 1/2 mos old.

Julz
Im interested in seeing Weezy's fish ;D

Paul :guitarist:

Hi Paul,
You show all the signs of being a good breeder. Good luck in the future and keep it up. ;D

[Carol_Roberts]

Very nice Paul. How many are you keeping to grow out for you?

[paulmat]

Carol
Probably 15 or so from this batch.

Paul :guitarist:

[paulmat]

I have been asked by a few people to post some recent pics of these guy's, I know I said I was done with this thread ,but here I go again.
Hope you don't mind ;)
This is one that looks like the wild side with a red body tone.
Paul :guitarist:

[paulmat]

This one has a pinkish body with blue in the fins.

[paulmat]

another

[paulmat]

and another

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One more

[wall_o_fish]

Suh-weet pics! I love 'em! You obviously care for your fish well!

I just sent you a message asking for more info. :-)

scott

[paulmat]

I thought I would post some pics of these guys since they are a year old soon.
I think some of these guys have turned into some nice looking fish.
There are 5 distinct color variations with this pairs offspring,from a clean wild look, to a very clean golden coloration.
Tell me what you think.

Paul

[paulmat]

They are 4-5 in.

[paulmat]

Snakeskin look :)

[paulmat]

another wild looking one

[paulmat]

This fish looks golden here,but is almost a pink fish at times

[paulmat]

anoter golden w/o spots

[paulmat]

last one

[brewmaster15]

I'm thinking I would like them in my tanks Paul :)

-al

[EIHAB83]

WoW wonderful , well done
EIHAB

[crazy4discus]

greatjob man

[FischAutoTechGarten]

pretty good looking mutts you have there.

[Tad]

Paul,
these fry have turned out extremely well....the ones that you gave me for my collection have also turned out exceptional and I cant wait till they are adults and breeding...If your heckels are successful...keep me in mind ;D

with the highest regards,
Tad

[fcdiscus]

Well done Paul. I would like some of those non spotted golds. We need to discuss a trade bud! Frank

Great Job Paul :thumbsup:

I'm with Frank ..... I really like the gold without the spots ;) Keep up the great work ;)

[paulmat]

Thanks Al, Tad, Frank, Beth , Pete, and all.
I was curious what you would think of these guys,esp with the lousy pics(they look way better in person) Your compliments are very appreciated.
TY

Paul :guitarist:

[EthanCote.com]

wow!!

They turned out beautifully!!!

I agreed with Frank, I love the golden without the spots the most. The wild looking ones looked kewl too. Very interesting batch of various fries.

Great job Paul.


Cheerio,

Chi.