Does anyone exclude beafheart by discus diet?

[george07]

I have an idea:

In all fish farm which produce tons of fishes for eating the companies feed their fishes pellet foods and they become quite large very quickly for commercial selling.

Does anyone feed only dry and frozen foods but no beefheart? In this way we can reduce the water changes and I want to know if we could grow discus to large size (7'') without feeding beefheart.

Thanks in advance

[Carol_Roberts]

I don't feed beefheart.

I feed bits, flakes and live blackworms. My fish get big and my water stays much cleaner.

[discus_nw]

Sure, many people exclude beefheart. It is not mandatory. In spite of what many think, a discus can grow well on a 100% pellet diet. Salmon, trout, and catfish do. :)

[gary1218]

In fact there is a company in PA, Zeigler's, that specilizes in high protein pellet food to sell to the fish farms that raise salmon, catfish, etc. to put quick growth on them.

http://www.zeiglerfeed.com/

GARY

[ReeferKimberly]

yep no beefheart here. a lot of cbws and tetra chips, plus some other flakes.
kimberly :-*

[Smokey]

I just have to post on this one!
First; I am a fan of beefheart/mix diets. I have been using a beefheart mix for over 9 years. Personally, I have never had a problem with beefheart. IF IT IS PREPARED PROPERLY !!!

Smokey

[Fisheyes]

How about posting your secrets Smokey
Fisheyes :crazy:

[seadog567]

i have to have use beefheart for part of their diet.i think the beefheart make the discus body more thicker.

phil

[edgeguy]

If I am not mistaken don't people feed beefheart for the protein? The protein amount on my package for beefheart is 11.8% and bloodwarms are 8.5% not much difference to me and bloodworms don't foul up the water. I also have Omega one flakes and they have 48% and 44% protein that is a big difference.

So would Omega One flakes and bloodworms be better for the protein than beefheart? :juggle:

The other factor in this are my discus really haven't figured out how to eat the beefheart. ??? :juggle:

[discus_nw]

edgeguy,

If you would dehydrate beefheart and bloodworms, you would see an increase beyond your flake food. Or, if you would rehydrate your flake, the protein would be less than bh or bw's. The water content must be factored into the equation. :)

[edgeguy]

I understand the water content is to be considered but I don't dehydrate my bloodworms or beefheart so there protein is what it says right? I also don't rehydrate my flakes so the same for them (until they hit the water of the tank ;D). It still seems that the flakes have more protein in them and don't foul the water up.

[discus_nw]

You are not understabding what I said.

If you compare the label of a Hikari Frozen Bloodworm to a container of freeze dried bloodworms, you will note that frozen is 6.0% and freeze dried (I have no container to look at at the moment) is over 50%. Do you think the freeze drying process adds protein to the worms? ;)

Now, if you take out the 89% water from Hikari's bloodworms and take 6.0% of the remaining contents (which amounts to 11%), you'll see that you have aproximately the same percentage of protein as the freeze dried bloodworms.

Since flake food is comprised of many lesser desirable protein foods, unless a manufacturer fortifies it's flake, it won't have a higher percentage protein as beefheart or bloodworms.

Overfeed flake food, and it will foul the water as much as any other food will. :)

[edgeguy]

Thanks for the clarification. :sleeping:

[henryD]

When I last check I thought that the pellets and bits were made out of beefheart. So in some ways we are all feeding beefheart.

If you mean the fresh stuff I don't feed any. I find it clouds my water too much and since the pellets and bits are made from it anyway I figure there was no need.

[Smokey]

Hmmm, you know every one says beefheart clouds their water.
I have never had that problem, NEVER.
So, it makes me wonder ... are you over feeding, letting raw beefheart rot in the tank/ filter. WHAT....

Beef heart will rot... yes. My fish eat the stuff before it hits bottom. AND I do not over feed. OR ... throw beefheart in to a tank and leave.
I've been using beefheart for over 10 years ... never had a casulity.

[Carol_Roberts]

It must be the way I processed the heart through the meat grinder. Some pieces were too fine and the adults didn't bother with them. The best way I found to process beefheart was to put nearly frozen 1/2 inch cubes through a salad shooter. the beefheart came out in worm sized pieces that the fish could swallow whole

[Mike_Selley]

Carol,

Did you just feed pure beef heart? I just made another post about how I was afraid to feed it anymore. But then I relized I put flakes and Tetrabits in with it and maybe that was part of my problem with it. Like not presoaking the flakes or tetrabits so to speak. :)

[Smokey]

Yes, you are correct Carol.
Keep the beefheart in a ''frozen'' state while processing.
It seems to offer better consistancy.

I take a frozen beefheart, let thaw slightly, Trim all viens and artiers, fat muscle. Cut into wiener size lenghts. KEEP COLD/ SLIGHTLY FROZEN.
Then I feed the wiener beefheart through the meat grinder.
RECOOL. i USUALLY PASS THE SEMI- FROZEN BEEFHEART THROUGHT MY GRINDER TWO OR THREE TIMES.
Next I take my frozen veggies - garlic[ peeled], yellow peppers[ seeded]. red pepper[seeded], etc. and grind them two or three times.
REFREEZE.

Next; I mix all the frozen incredients together; WOW - is this fun. Add any vitiams - C, etc. AND put the entire diet through the grinder again, and again; to get the consistancy I like.
VERY FINE FOR JUVI'S; A LITTLE COARSER FOR THE ADULTS.

Spread on a large cooky sheet and FREEZE. I do not cover the cooky sheet; I have a frost free fridge/freezer. The air circulating, dehydrates the mixture - removes excess moisture. Almost like freeze drying. HEY - IT WORKS. NO FREEZER BURN; EVER !!!

Then I either break up the large pieces and bag ... Hey is this fun. OR - I have just left the uncovered beefheart diet on the cookie sheet; and kinda scrape off the necessary beefheart needed for a feeding. At this time the beefheart diet is fairly fine in consistancy and very easy for the discus to ''INHALE''. and digest !!!!
The low moisture content, lets the beefheart float ... while the discus goarge them selves.

Remember - a little at a time

Smokey

ps.. things like lettuce and spinach - the discus do not digest; to short a gut.
The peppers seem fine, mind you they are very finely froozen ground.

GARLIC - about a head of garlic to ever 3 pounds of beefheart. Makes the diet smell oh - so - good.

Smokey

[Carol_Roberts]

When I fed beefheart I originally made mixes, but in the end it was just plain beefheart. I fed them flakes and bits at other meals. . . . then I discovered black worms . . . which are much less work and cleaner, so no more grinding beefheart for me ;D

[Smokey]

Your lucky ,,,, no black worms up here. they are just not available

Today I started make up some more beefheart diet.
25 pounds of beefheart, cut and trimmed. The neighbours dog loves me; I gave all the trimmings to them. He will be happy for a long time. lol

So far; the heart has been ground twice - once through the coarse cutting disk and once through the fine disk. It is alll sitting in the freezer now. I have to peel the garlic and get some yellow peppers.

Smokey

[gary1218]

I wouldn't mind switching to a good seafood diet BUT I can't seem to make one that doesn't float :) My discus are so used to eating food that all sinks to the bottom they never see it floating to try and eat it :D

GARY

[jamesmcsyd]

I too tried beefheart but I found it was too messy. I guess I never did it correctly.

Intersting article in the free SERA magazine about how discus first came to like beefheart. They said it came from the dead carcasses of cows killed in local Indian rituals, and was never a natural part of thier diet .
From the German perspective at least, the use of beefheart from what I read was not viewed positively.

By the way, does anyone use earthworms?

James

[jim_shedden]

Smokey: What is the purpose of the yellow peppers. Its sound neat and I think I will try it.

JIm

[Fisheyes]

Smokey
Blk worms in Calgary at Picies and riverfront.
Tony has been using them for years and I also use them with no side effects .
If interested e-mail me and I will ship you some for a trial.

Fisheyes :shocked:

[Smokey]

Jim - The use of yellow peppers / and green peppers .... for some veggie material, very fine grain, easy to digest, natural vitamins ... and it seemed like a good idea. The discus loved it. In the past I have used spinach .. no good, lettuce ... to coarse, even apples. I was trying to get a natural source of vitiams. ASO - Now , I also add powered vitiam ''C''.

The pepppers also seem to help with binding, I do not use gelatin.

Also ... I let the final mixture "FREEZE DRY". on open cookie sheets. { a frost free freezer does this very well ... ]. Removes excess water. helps to preserve the B/H.

Note - this is not FREEZER BURN !!!

Smokey

[Smokey]

Thanks for the offer, Fisheyes. - good to know they are available in Calgary, though.

However, I will have to pass, at this time.

I'd proberly mistake them for a midnight snack. lol/


BTW ... how are your discus doing?
I nevery see you on msn, how come?

Smokey

[jim_shedden]

Smokey................I'm going to try the peppers this weekend.

Thanks : Jim

[Fisheyes]

Hi Smokey

Black worms available in Calgary at Riverfront also Picies .

If your interested e-mail me and I will out some on the bus for you .
Fisheyes :crazy:

P>S Both Tony and myself feed them with no problems as of yet

[Smokey]

I am making up a fresh batch; 25 pounds of trimmed beef heart --- 5 yellow pepper. and 3 green peppres. Plus 2 - heads of fresh gallic.

Smokey

[Smokey]

Fisheyes , I heard you the first time !!! lol

I do not use black worms any more. shipping by grey hound to me is like crossing a piranna with a oscar.

TEETH WITH AN ATTITUDE !!!! [[ sounds like my first mother-in-law]].

Smokey

PS... send me an e-,mail, eh! or you msn contact.
I am also retired, did not plan it , it just happened.. ouch.

Smokey

[Smokey]

george07 made a comment that commerical fish farms feed their fish; for human consumption; pellets/ Pellets # 1 incredient is fish meal [ aka protien] which is the ground up bones of fish . aka waste]!!!.

It is commonly know that feeding the carcess of dead animals to others, causes health related problems ... mad cow disease./

Go ahead and eat crap, die early, but with a full stomach.

Every food flake on the self has fish meal as the number one incredient ... next floor sweepings and then minerals .. aka as metal from the processing machiner. iron, chrominium, zinc, copper, etc.

What do wild fish eat / discus ... other fish, insects, anything swimming by. NOT MARROW FROM DEAD BONES. that is for paracites!!!

Sure a fish in a tank will learn to eat the food that comes it's way. BUT , what is the cost ... a pretty fish ..

OR A HEALTHY PRODUCTIVE FISH.

I am a breeder; not a collector of pretty ornaments.

Smokey

[Smokey]

Salmon, trout, catfish - have been pulled from the market because the meat is cancer causing .. Government report .. USDA.

CATTLE HAVE BEEN DESTROYED BECAUSE THEY CAUSE CANCER/death IN HUMANS..

WHY ... THEY HAVE BEEN FEED PROCESSED WASTE PRODUCTS. bone meal of other animals. Carcesses of dead animals.

And this is not the end !!! AS the need for human food increase/ and the costs of producing such foods skyrocket ... some chemist will come up with " A BETTER CHEAPER PRODUCT!!!

Think about it.

smokey....

Ice cream is not ice cream it is a chemical cocktail ...

Well i can remember when it was real !!!

[Smokey]

edgeguy the USDA RATES BEEFHEART as 55% pure protien.

not sysnthized ... but pure energy .. every one has been trying to copy beefhearts natural goodness. with chemicals. in a test tube.

smokey

[discus_nw]

In your list of food items wild discus eat, I didn't see cow's heart mentioned, but then I have never seen a cow's heart swimming around in any National Geographics Specials on the Discovery Channel either. Are these hearts from the same cancer causing cows the USDA recalled because they cause cancer in humans? Are you sure fish meal is only the ground bones of fish?

Actually, I could sit here and question your rants all night. I don't have the time, so these couple questions will suffice. ;)

[Smokey]

NOPE; cattle beefheart was discovered, I understand, by the germans, as a food supplement; way back in the '30 or 40's. Remember; artifical foods were not as common as they are today. Who first tried it; I have no idea. However, it seemed to work and caught on. Sixety years later people still question its value.
Heck, it works for my discus.

NOTE - not pure beefheart; but a rich mixture of many foods mixed in with beefheart.

Smokey

So...Smokey....am I understanding you correctly? In your last few posts, If I follow....your saying that if we feed processed foods such as flake and pellets, that our fish will die prematurely ???

Tony

Ps...Im a "heartless" discus guy myself ;) Fed it for years...but finally gave up on it. Messy, and a PITA to prepare. Ive also heard for years...a select few say "your not doing it right"...or.. "if its prepared properly"...
Phooey...after about 28 1/2 goes at it...I gave up ;)
There's to many other foods that work just as well, If not better...JMO.

[jim_shedden]

Tony : you are a heartles bass%^$#............ ;D

jim

Jim.....If I want any 'o' that crap....I'll call my EX-wife ;D

Tony :bandana:

[Smokey]

Hi Tony; good to hear from you again. I guess in a round-about way, I am. The just OF IT IS that there is some very good process foods available.
However, MPO, some foods seem to be simialr. / just different packaging.
Fish meal by defination - is the ''waste - by - product'' of processing fish [for human consumption. ex: the heads, entrails, bones, fins, etc. ''NOTHNIG GOES TO WASTE''!

Cost, convience, availablibilty, all play a big part in the foods we select to feed our discus. Ex: since I do not have a good, steady supply of cbw - I do not use them.

Personally, I take the time to make my own beefheart. Over the years , I have learned to make small changes which help to keep the tank clean and the discus happy. [ I now freeze dry the diet - ].
Mind you, I have throw batches away, also. YUCK !!!

AND - like you said - " There's to many other foods that work just as well, If not better...JMO".

My decesion to use beefheart is a personal one ... and the cost is reasonalable [ well sorta, sometimes; uh, how much for 10# of shrimp?].

When I was breeding Goldern Severums - I feed peas - talk about a messy food - well the by-product waste sure was! lol... But the severums loved it. P.S. - they had to "SKINNED" FIRST.

I do agree; a varied diet of good food will let discus grow to its full potientual.

OR; maybe i am apprensive of all the "NEW" quick foods, that come from a test tube.

Smokey

ex: the heads, entrails, bones, fins, etc. ''NOTHNIG GOES TO WASTE''!

Im still lost Smokey (dont worry...it happens often)
The above mentioned "stuff" is a completely natural diet for a carniverous or omniverous fish....how would that contribute to a shortened life span?

Tony

[jamesmcsyd]

There was a breeder I once bought some fish off in Sydney who used knagaroo meat as the staple part of the diet. I have to admit, his fish were the biggest, chunkiest and healthiest looking fish i've ever seen.
James

[Fisheyes]

I think what it all boils down to is it does not have to be beef heart or roo meat or turkey meat .
What it has to be is a top notch quaity food with all the healthy stuff in it weather it be pellett ,flake or meat.

I think what we do not want is a high fat product with low nutritional values .
So is beef heart necesarily to achieve this NO

What is necesary is homework to find a balance diet with varitey so we do not bore them with the same old stuff every day

Fisheyes :rolleyes:

[Smokey]

Fish eyes - you do have a way with words.
YES; you hit the nail on the head!!!
EXCELLANT quality foods do make for bigger fish.


However; in our personal quest for the ultimate discus , do we not create something un-natural. { my personal thought]?

Interesting thought. What does every body else think?

Smokey

Great Topic/post, a lot of information has been discussed,
I have opened my eyes, and made aware that one food is not necessary the best; Thanks for all the insite, and ideas others have mentioned.

Smokey

[Rob R.]

I have found earthworms to be an excellent food for discus. It takes them awhile to rip the worms apart and gives them good exercise. I have also had good luck with adding ground turkey to my beefheart mix. :)

[Fisheyes]

Ah ha
That should have been do not bore them Smokey LOL

Rob Is that turkey as in heart or turkey as in white meat??

Fisheyes :crazy:

Ps. I not a typer in more ways than one

Hey Brew you stole my picture again?

[Smokey]

O.K.; what every ya all say there buddy! lol.

Ahhh - wieners and beans ... mmm mmmm good. [fart fart]fart]

Smokey

[discus_nw]

Fisheyes,

I use 99% fat free gound turkey breast. You can use it straight or in a mix with or in place of beefheart. I generally mix with several types of sea mollusks, shrimp, and perhaps fish, either salmon or some white meat cold water sea fish.

[Smokey]

sounds like every body agrees on one thing ... ''FAT FREE'' feed.

Smokey

[BlueTurquoise]

Ok OK OK!!! you've talked me into it! after a long ponder about a great many things, I have decided to revisit beefheart!

This weekend I will prepare my very own version of beefheart mix and feed trial it again using smokey's (extensive) advice! ;D

I'll let you know how I go!

PS. Whats the difference between food processor and meat grinder? ???

[BlueTurquoise]

One more thing Smokey, do you defrost the beefheart first before you feed or do you just dump it into the tank?

It sounds like you don't. I always have upon advice ages ago but I am not so sure anymore...

[Smokey]

Chong - A meat grinder is just that; it grinds the beefheart. The unit i use has small drums, one coarse and one fine. Exilient unit.
While the beefheart is semi-froozen, about 2 degrees C.
Trim all fatty tissue, tubes, etc. cut into wiener size. Freeze. Put through the grinder, once for 10mm slivers; twice for granualr size. REFREEZE !

Yellow/green peppers - slice, clean - freeze. Garlic - shell - freeze.

Take the froozen veggies and fine grind them . Refreeze.

Mix all the material. beefheart, veggies, vitiams, etc. together and fine grind them , again.

THE REASON FOR KEEPING EVERYTHING FROOZEN - MUCH EASIER TO GRIND, LESS MESSY.

MEAT IS BEST PROCESSED WHEN IT IS VERY COLD.

Make sure everything mixes together.

Spread, about 10 mm. thick; on a cookie sheet, uncovered, and place in a frost free freezer. Let the freezer "DRY" the mixture.
Just like commerical freeze drying.

Afterwards, break up into pieces and bag.

This is my method, works well.

I break off small pieces and feed it to the discus; froozen - By the time it hits the water - it starts to defrost. AND THE DISCUS DEVOUR IT ALL.

Remember - discus have small mouths. And small food is easily digested.

Good luck chong. Let us know how it works out, eh !

Smokey

[BlueTurquoise]

Smokey, you're the best! Thanks!

[Smokey]

Ahhhh, now I am blushing.

[BlueTurquoise]

Well it's all done! the babies LOVE it! they go pirana like over it! every last bit! My adults on the other hand dun even know that it is food let alone have interest! But time (and coaxing) will fix that!

I have forgotten about how good harty, wholesome beefheart is! a bit tough on the water though... but I will try it for a good 6 months before I draw any conclusions.

Thanks again!

[Smokey]

Chong - abit of personal advice ... do not wait 6 months to do a W/C.

Your adults will come around. Mix in a few worms when you feed. They know what god food is !!!

Smokey
{ One who grew up in a shack and **** in a outhouse !!!]

[BlueTurquoise]

Chong - abit of personal advice ... do not wait 6 months to do a W/C.


LOL very funny ;D

After a few days of of beefheart I remember now why I stopped using it last year! It can foul your water up quicker than you can name the main ingredient! I guess I just have to be ultra careful and diligeant.

My adults have starved for a over a day and yesterday they were so hungry they ate the beefheart! *joy*

Cheers Smokey!

[Smokey]

I am glad your discus have accepted the B/H diet. did you include lots of fresh garlic ?[?].
Perhaps I am donig something incorrect !

I feed exclusively, beefheart. Lots of it, infact, twice ot 3x daily. The adults, now a year old, do not seen to eat as much as the 6 month fry; wether it be the B/H diet or bloodworms.

When people say the beefheart "fouls " the water .... I do not seem to expierience that problem.

I do a water change, at 3 to 5ppm NITRATES. ~ every 24 hours or so. usually 50%. There are 12 discus, in three 80 liter tanks, all tied together, with a 75 Liter sump. Each tank get a 25% w/c and the sump 100%. total ~150 liters.

I do clean the filter foam, in the sump, every day. Some beefheart does escape and it is trapped in the sump foam.

I do not allow any beefheart diet to sit in the actual tanks. The fish eat, any extra is swept away and removed from the tank, by the overflow tube.

I do not get any oder, well, I can smell the garlic when I feed.

So, what am I doing wrong.

Smokey

[BlueTurquoise]

Smokey,

hmm i am not too sure but it does not sound like crowded conditions that's for sure... I can only offer what I do as a guide I guess:

I feed a varied diet now (more so than the last 6 months), i now feed hikari blood worms, tetra bits, black worms and beefheart. The past 3 weeks have been great! and the addition of the BH makes it a complete diet! I know my fish are happy, i can see it!

The polution rate in order of highest to lowest of my foods is:

1) beefheart (by far!)
2) tetra bits (goes everywhere and in smallish bits too)
3) blood worms (they are all taken care of in the first 5 secs!)
4) black worms (by far the cleanest)

So what I do is just to try to feed the most poluting of the foods closest to water change. I only feed the beefheart 10 to 15 mins before water change to minimise the amount of time that it is in there. I feed black worms after the water change, I feed blood worms in the morning (nice and quick before work) and I feed the tetra bits after work and before water changes.

I got this advice ages ago and it is logical I guess. I just forgot it for awhile until recently.

I could not fathom leaving the beefheart in the tank any longer than say 30 mins at the most! I know what's in it and it's just too rich and poluting to keep in there. Maybe it is a polution issue you are having, or maybe I am too fussy!

The other thing is that they get bored of the same foods too I guess. I fed black worms prodominantly for 6 months (the only other thing I fed was tetra bits). At first they gobbled them up so quick I thought I didn't give any to them at all. After about 1 - 2 months they started to slow down considerably. I attribute this to being sick of the food (medication did not reveal anything nor change their boredom for food). Now i feed them varied diet and it seems they eat alot more than they did when on prodominantly black worms.

I know if I ate one thing all my life I wouldn't be able to stand the site of it after a few weeks!!!

Anyway I hope that returns the help that you gave me on beefheart! hehe after the beefheart adventure I had and the advice that I've gotten I feel like a bh expert now! LOL

I hope things turn out for the better smokey!

Cheers!

[Smokey]

HMMMMM!!!! - The problem seems that, perhaps, some people do not adhear to an adequite water maintance shchedual ?

I certanly do agree, and have mentined ... DO NOT LET BEEFHEART OR ANY FOOD ACCUMULATE IN THE FILTERS.

One member has mentioned the use of commerical pellet foods. However; he also stated that they best be used in a " FLOW-THROUGH " SYSTEM. and states why.

As disucs mature, their dietry needs change. As in any animal !

Long ago, when I was using stand - alone tanks .. I noticed the build up of surface protiens; easyily visiable. And the resulting bacteria's that developed. Mearly driving these polluients back into the water is not the answer. lol. They have to be removed.
AKA ..... W/C's. ALSO .... keeping the Nitrates below 5 ppm is required / helpful. Perhaps this is not fesiable for some people. [ the average person who come in and ask for their water to be tested ... have " NITRATE " levels exceding 100 ppm !!! As simple suggestion, to up their water changes to at least 15% per week, amazes most .... and solves a lot of their problems.

Me, being an " EXTREMEIST ", do 50% daily. LMAO !!!

Getting back to the use of beefheart and the fowling of the tankk's water ..... To those, whom I recomend beefheart ... also comes the responsibility of maintance. Processed foods, such as flakes ... provide lower maintance scheduals {?}.

Like everone has said ... DO NOT OVER FEED ... and " DO NOT NEGLECT " the fishes environment. Filtration is a short term answer. WATER CHANGES are the LONG TERM SOLUTION.

You may quote me on that ... lol...

Smokey
[flush the toilet after every use}

[BlueTurquoise]

LOL smokey...

Yeah I change water every day, approx 40%. Scrub the tank inside, scrub the heater and chords, wash out worm feeders and thermometers. I did this even before I started using beefheart, but now that I am using it, I have to be extra careful. I am thinking I will need to up the water changes to 50% or more.

Maybe the reason why your adults are not eating alot of beefheart is becuase they are bored? hmm...

[Smokey]

actually , what I meant to say : the fry eat more B/H diet than the adults do.
I will feed one gram of B/H to an adult and he seems satisfied.

I will feed one gram of B/H to a fry ... and they still want more.

Mind you; the fry seem to eat anything that hits the tank.
The adults eat everything, but they seem to become full and satisfied. Maybe it's good table manners ?

[Smokey]

actually , what I meant to say : the fry eat more B/H diet than the adults do.
I will feed one gram of B/H to an adult and he seems satisfied.

I will feed one gram of B/H to a fry ... and they still want more.

Mind you; the fry seem to eat anything that hits the tank.
The adults eat everything, but they seem to become full and satisfied. Maybe it's good table manners ?

[BlueTurquoise]

Oh i see, yes my adults are not as fiesty as the babies are either. The babies amaze me everyday! where does the food go! they're only so small!!! :)

[Smokey]

Well, just from my observations = the food comes out the other end!
LMAO .......hahahaha

Smokey

[Smokey]

Chong - how are your discus adjusting to their new "diet".

Smokey

[BlueTurquoise]

Smokey,

It's early days yet but they are all eating it. The adults reluctantly however the youngest of my adults ate beefheart in his youth so he takes to it much more easily than the rest. But they will come around.

The babies are fighting over it which is a good thing! initially when i baught them there was one that was really small compared to the rest, however after 4 weeks of good food and care I can't even tell which one he is! he's grown! I attribute that to his good food.

Thanks for asking! :) :thumbsup: This is by far the best batch of beefheart I have ever made. It even makes great berly for fishing! ;D

[Smokey]

I have often thought of the same idea. When I was out at the west coast, I would use liver for shark fishing. Worked every time. lol...

However, Southern Alberta is no - bait. Mind you , I am a fly fisherman. So, I just tie my flys to look like beefheart. lol....

I have noticed, fry grow really fine !!!!
My aussies have been on a beefherat diet almost since day one. They have gorwn up real fine .

Smokey