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DRF.in.IGH-MN
06-10-2003, 01:11 PM
I've been trying to figure out how to identify a Marlboro Red versus a Tangerine.

According to Mike Wells' website:
Marlboro Red - There are many versions of the “Marlboro Red”
discus. Some are solid red ..., while others have a yellow or
white face. This strain was created by crossing a wild
“Alenquer Red” discus with a solid orange “Pigeon Blood”
discus. This out crossing produces a “Pigeon Blood”
base-colored offspring with an intense red overlay.
Tangerine - This solid orange pigeon blood, is very clean,
has no black pigment or white circles.

According to a posting on SimplyDiscus by dogmatix
http://forum.simplydiscus.com//index.php?board=8;action=display;threadid=9043
Tangerine - Penang Pigeon crossing with selected orange
based pigeon. The offspring from this crossing,
especially those with orangey body coloration and few
body striations are selected out for further crossings.

I've been looking at pictures posted on SimplyDiscus and other websites of MR's and T's. With the exception of those that have a definite yellow or white face, at times there is not a noticable difference.

On Mike Wells' site, there is a noticable difference in the intensity of the red of the MR versus the orange of the T. But you could still mistake his Tangerine 1 and 4 with his Marlboro 4 and 8. (Or at least I could.)

Are the intensity of red vs. orange and the yellow face the primary distinquishable differences?

How do the rest of you distinguish between the two strains?????

I think at times I'm color blind between red and orange.

Mike - I really appreciate the lineage descriptions you provide of your strains on your website.

DRF.in.IGH-MN
06-11-2003, 03:47 PM
I bought this at a pet store three days ago. The tank listed both "Marlboro Red" and "Tangerine Pigeon Blood". The clerk said they were all MR.

Is it a Marlboro Red or a Tangerine?

jrpatter
06-11-2003, 04:01 PM
sadly i dont think yo ucan tell the difference between em by looking. You have to know what made it. i have a MR and a tangerine. you cant tell the 2 fish apart except one has more peppering than the other.

john

ronrca
06-11-2003, 04:47 PM
A very, very good question! One that I have also asked myself many, many times!

Imo, I would say its a tangerine! I have one that was sold under tangerine just like it!

One of Cary's Marlboro reds that I managed to get from his site before it stopped working! Now that a Marlboro Red!

(Is it ok Cary. I'll take it off if not)

DRF.in.IGH-MN
06-11-2003, 05:15 PM
I actually picked up two (Marlboro Red/Tangerine/what ever?). Here is the other one.

Same question - Is it an MR or a T? Maybe I should just be happy my wife let me buy them.

Carol_Roberts
06-12-2003, 03:15 AM
Hi DRF:
Looking at the pictures you posted I believe the top one is the tangerine and the body will stay mostly orange.

Do you see in your second picture how there is a red glaze or blush coming over the body starting behind the head? That one will have a lighter orange or yellow face with a reddish orange body.

chuck
06-12-2003, 10:15 AM
IMO They are just names for a solid PB.
MR use to have White faces and dark fins, then they came out with solid faces, dark fins, then they became tangerines, then Melons (which some have have white faces and dark fins like the orginal MR but I don't think they have the PB strain in them) others have solid faces with lighter fins...

It gets so confusing, at least for me... ???
All I know is that they are some nice looking fish.... ;D
Cary could explain the difference.....
chuck