help newbie

[boydiscus]

Well people, I have had my discus for a bout 4 weeks and my discus are still really freaked at me, not like the ones at the lfs they aren't scared of anyone and my one whenever i come close they just freak out jump up and down. Its been a while so im not sure. Today my 2 red turks had their stripes turned really dark black so what can i do? Also what dose cloudy eyes look like? anyone got a piC?

[jules]

http://forum.simplydiscus.com//index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=1100- info on cloudy eyes

Have you tried feeding them by hand?

[ronrca]

Low ph and ammonia will cause cloudy eyes!

What are your water parameters like ph, ammonia, nitrites?