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Go For It
09-19-2005, 02:36 AM
Okay...

Last Saturday, my Dad and I went to a friends house about an hour and a half from where I live in the hopes of taking home a 60-gallon tank and stand. I can't even explain how excited I was that week... I was literally counting the days until Saturday. However, when we actually got there and saw the tank, it was in pretty bad condition, so we ended up coming home with nothing. I was pretty bummed being that I have been waiting a REALLY long time to get my tank and to begin raising my Discus, so, even though my parents are struggling with some financial problems (...my Dad and a best friend of his left their jobs and have started their own business... it is doing well, but being that it is new, they aren't getting much money back for themselves), they went out to our LFS and ordered me a brand new 60-gallon tank and stand!

I'm pretty excited... the new tank will be able to be picked up at our LFS on Friday by 5 o' clock. :D A close friend of mine gave me a pretty much brand new AquaClear 110 and a submersible heater, so I'm pretty much set. I will be either painting the outside back and bottom of the tank or will be purchasing an "Oceanvisions" background for it and will "fishless cycle" the tank before adding any fish into it. Before purchasing any Discus, I will be saving up and purchasing the needed supplies: a "Python" vaccum/siphon, salad shooter, a water storage container/spare tank with a filter for water changes, ect. As for their diet... I will be following Carol's beefhart recipe and will also give them flake food just to give them some variety. I am also prepared to do 30%-50% daily water changes (with aerated, de-chlorinated, and filtered water of course) as well as vacuuming up any feces or excess food and wiping the inside of the tank with paper towels/sponges. I can't wait to get my tank up and running! :bouncegre

Since this tank is going in the living room, my parents want it to be a presentable community "show tank". I plan on giving it an "under-the-sea theme" and will be using quarz sand for the substrate (...I REALLY like how it looks in Alex's wild Discus tank :) ). It will have a few live, low maintenance plants that could thrive with the low lighting that Discus prefer, but will mainly consist of fake plants (...not the hard plastic type, the soft type for fish with delicate fins) and "sea" decor. However, my parents are giving an exception to the "show tank": through the recommendation of a friend of my Dad's who used to be an extreme fish hobbyist, we will be looking at the Discus at a place that sells only tropical fish and only sells to people with business licenses; we will also be stopping by "Discusfarm" which is located here in Southern California. Our first visit to both locations will be just to see what they have to offer and their pricing range. The exception my parents are giving me is that if we can afford 4 or 5 ADULT (5 inches or up) Discus then we will introduce them into the planted "show tank", however, if we end up purchasing juveniles, they will allow me to raise them in a "bare bottom" tank until they are old enough to be placed in a planted "show tank". So, either way, the Discus will be placed in a planted community "show tank" it's just a matter of WHEN they will be placed in it.

I do have a few questions, though. I am currently not interested in breeding the Discus, I would just like to provide a nice home for them and enjoy them in a nice "show tank". ...will it be smarter for me to just purchase the Discus all in the same sex? If so, male or female? If I am able to purchase the 4 or 5 ADULT Discus, should I introduce them into the tank already decorated and planted and with the other "tank mates" in the tank, should I introduce them with NOTHING ("bare bottom") in the tank and wait a couple weeks then decorate it and then quarantine other fish and gradually add them, or should I introduce them into the decorated and planted tank but with no other fish and then gradually add, after quarantine, their "tank mates"? As for lighting... is their a certain brand/type of bulb you guys would recommend... does the "low lighting" discus prefer have a certain "title" that I could find it by? If I end up getting the juveniles, approximately how long will it be until they would be old/big enough to thrive in a planted "show tank"?

I think that is all I can think of for now. Sorry this got so long... I'm just really excited about this whole thing and want be sure I am prepared and educated to care for the Discus once it's time to bring them home. Thanks again. :thumbsup:

victor
09-19-2005, 03:30 AM
good luck :balloon: :balloon:

kelseygirl
09-19-2005, 05:14 PM
Hi Michael!! First off, happy birthday!!! My son is in junior college and has a birthday this Friday (19). He's the one that got me started in discus. (He lost interest and I found a new hobby!!!!!! :)

Hope you gave your parents a BIG HUG on the new tank!! (If not, it's never too late!!)

Don't get all males, unless you want the "aggression tank of the year award". Just because you have a mix doesn't mean you'll have them breeding. Trust me, it's harder than you think!!! I finally gave up, but am much happier with my show tank since I quit trying to make them breed. Anyway, one male and the rest females would be great. Two males can get along, but will establish their territories. Geez, what am I saying????? I have FEMALES more aggressive than my "Urban Meyer" male! They are all different.

The type of light doesn't really matter that much unless you are going for a certain look. I leave my lights on 2-4 hours a day. One side is a different type of light than the other. They are happy. A healthy environment is the key. Low nitrates. Correct temp. Plenty of fresh water. I've found that mine have adapted to just about anything as long as those things are OK. Good luck!!!! And post some pix when you get your fish. Janice

Carol_Roberts
09-19-2005, 05:32 PM
You can "fishless" cycle the filter in a 10 gallon tank or even a bucket of water. Get your tank set up and stable prior to adding the discus. Sand has lots of dust that will could the water - rinse it if you can before adding to the tank. Add cycled filter with discus to tank.

ppv1951
09-22-2005, 05:47 AM
hi michael! happy belated birthday! and, welcome to the world of discus.

i'm not sure i like the idea of the fishless cycling. i'm trying to help a girl in denmark right now who has sick fish. her readings after the fishless cycling showed her tank to be ready, when it wasn't. my favorite way of starting up for the very first time is to get some cheap feeder fish from the LFS, put 'em in and let 'em work for a month or 6 weeks..... about $3-4 worth should do in your tank. now, if you'd like to wait, and save the money on cycling stuff, and the cost of buying discus.....

that 4-6 weeks will correspond to the time i should be getting some new fish from friends up north. now, don't hold me to this, because i can't be absolutely positive this is going to happen..... the fry just became freeswimmers, and this is the first time my friends have ever had a brood..... but, so far, so good..... so, if you want to wait, and the fish come through, i will make you a birthday present of a handful of them. we'll know more in a week or so, when the pups put on some weight.....

also, pm me. i have some other news your might be interested in (we're gonna be startin' up our own discus club). i'm in LA too.

by the way... you might want to call jeff at discusfarm before going out there. last time i emailed him, he was moving. what other breeder do you know in LA?

pat.

April
09-23-2005, 01:14 AM
welcome to simplydiscus by the way. i see you have done your homework very well. you read all the dos and donts..and im excited for you !! just get 5 or 6 nice discus..all at the same time..and enjoy. its fun raising juveniles..and watching them grow.
Yes..i dont believe Jeff at Discusfarm has fish at this moment..i believe hes on the move.
who else is in L.A.? anyone?
anyhow..keep us updated..and report in when you get your new discus for sure.
YOu remind me of another young member we had on simply. he was a great success with discus.

Willie
09-23-2005, 08:36 AM
For very important quarantine reasons, buy ALL your discus in one place. Jeff Young at Discusfarm US has great quality fish. I recommend you get it all from him, as he is a discus specialist. You won't find the same quality fish from a general store.

Willie

Go For It
10-02-2005, 01:42 PM
Hi there,

Sorry it took me so long to respond.

Victor:
Thanks for the good luck wish. I'm gonna need it! :juggle:

Janice:
Thanks for the birthday wish! Big ol' 17... lol. Yup, I was sure to give my parents a HUGE "thank you" for everything. So get one male and the rest females? ...would the breeder I'm purchasing the Discus from be able to tell their sexes as juvies? Thanks for the information... I'll be sure to post pictures as soon as I get it up!

Carol:
Thanks for the help! ...but would it be a bad thing to add water to the 60 gallon, add the ammonia in there, and run the filter or does it have to be done in a seperate tank?

Pat:
Thanks for the brithday wish and the welcome! :D

Okay... so your saying cycle the tank by getting everything set-up and adding fish into it. Should I also add some decor or gravel that I have in my established 12 gallon to help the cycling process go faster?

Oh, wow, Pat that's really cool! I would love to have those Discus! Do you know what color the parents are? Thanks a lot!

April:
Thanks for the welcome! Quick question... at what size are Discus labeled as adults and not juvies? I'll be sure to kep you updated! Thanks!

Willie:
Alright... thanks for the information! I really appreciate it!

ppv1951
10-06-2005, 07:47 PM
hi michael.....

one of the parents is a red turk and the other a red striated of some kind. but, i doubt we'll be getting any now. the guys i was getting them from are first-time breeders and the parents are first-time parents. they had over 220 free-swimmers, but it looks like most didn't get attached to the parents so they only have about 25 babies now. i don't think they'll be letting any of them go. but, they have others that are breeding. i'll let you know.

as for your tank, i would leave it bare bottom for now, since you're new. you can get it cycled a couple different ways. if you have a tank already cycled, you can get a sponge filter going in it and let it cycle. takes at least 2 weeks. i'd let it run a month to be sure. or, you can get some bio-spira made by marineland. i've never liked those products because too many people report problems with their fish after using them. the nitrites are high. i have a discus friend in denmark with that problem. but, i read some research reports recently. the other products contain a bacteria called nitrobacters. the research shows that no nitrobacters are present in cycled media. the good bacteria are nitroSPIRA. and, marineland has a patent on it, so, no one else can use it. you put this stuff in your tank, and can add your fish immediately. if you use any of these cyclers, make sure it's the bio-spira by marineland.

i'll let you know whether we get any of those fish from my friends.

let us know how things are going michael!

pat.