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Cabe
09-27-2005, 10:24 PM
Hi folks,
My name is Cabe and I just found this forum today. Years ago (late 80's early 90's) I worked part time at a large petstore for credit. I can't remember how much I made, but I could trade my time for anything in the store at it's wholesale price. Needless to say I had a blast! I went through everything from boa constrictors, parrots, and just about every fish you could think of. I think I had maybe 6 tanks at one time in my living room. Brackish, cichlids, salt water, arrowanas, snake heads, angels, tetras, you name it!
I was quite good at it too, I might add, and had great success. Then I saw a couple of discus fish, and was mesmerized. I read up on them and most things I found said they were hard to keep, prone to disease, finicky, etc...
Nonetheless, I bought 3 small german red turquoise discus. I put them in a 38 gallon tank with angelfish, cardinal and emperor tetras, all live plants and an undergravel filter with one powerhead, a whisper back filter ( i think back then I put some stuff in it named chemi-pure, but I can't find it now)
The discus took over and thrived. I fed them flakes, dried tubiflex worms, frozen brine, and a tetra food product that was a sinking discus food ( I dont know if they still make it). They pretty much ruled the tank and grew like weeds. I think most of the plants were amazon swords, a couple kinds of aponogetuns (sp?) ( some of these I grew from bulbs you could buy back then and they even flowered up through the tank top!) I kept the temp about 82 - 84, the ph stayed low, I think the plants helped, like maybe 6.2 - 6.6.
Two of the discus started to hang together and act a bit weird. Then I brought home some stuff for my water called black water extract. After I added this to my tank, the discus spawned and the females laid some eggs on a piece of slate. They hatched and we watched the parents defend and take care of the fry. They grew into a slew of nickel sized discus and I sold them. The pair spawned another 5 or 6 times until it was over ( I cant remember, but I think I sold the pair and got interested in something else).
Just this past weekend, I bought a new 38 gallon tank and am currently trying to cycle it and get it ready. I am so excited! I have a couple of questions though as it has been a while. I seem to remember having undergravel filters and powerheads in most of my tanks (along with back filters, sponge filters, etc), and I think when my discus spawned I turned the powerhead on low (it had a control to adjust the speed) and all was ok. What do you guys think? Would they powerhead pull some of the fry into the gravel?
Or have some of you had success using one?
Also, I'll probably order some discus online when my tank is ready. What's the general consensus here? Have most had good luck with shipping?
Cheers to all! Great forum and resource!
-Cabe

AADiscus
09-27-2005, 10:38 PM
Cabe,

I would not use an undergravel filter. Bare Bottom is best. Use sponge filters and a power head is not bad but I wouldn't keep it strong. Some people use little bubbles too :D .

Shipping is great. I have never had a bad experience. Just make sure your tank is cycled and ready before you order your fish.

Make sure you check out the breeder, vendor, sponsor section. There is alot of good breeders. Also look in the buy, sell, trade section for sales, etc. from breeders and hobbiest. You will find everything you need here!!!

Cabe
09-27-2005, 10:45 PM
Just curious, but if I setup another tank and keep it bare and use sponge filters, whats the best way to cycle it? I hope thats not a stupid question!
I thought you had to add some fish or something to start the bacteria growth in the sponge....

Cosmo
09-27-2005, 11:34 PM
Cabe,

Welcome to Simply :)

Look through the beginners section and the library and read up on fishless cycles using clear ammonia. Takes about six weeks or so but does a fantastic job of setting up the bio filters. Make sure it's clear, no additives, ammonia though. You should find all the details you'll need.

Bare bottom (BB) tanks are much easier to clean, and therefore easier to maintain high water quality. UGFs are ugghh. I used to use them too, years ago, but do you remember the sludge that collects under them? Yuck!

Frequent, as in daily water changes (WCs) of 30 to 50% are recommended in place of the use of carbon. Chemi Pure is still available ( and IMO it's great stuff - I use it periodically) through all the major pet websites
http://www.drsfostersmith.com
http://www.bigalsonline.com
http://www.petsolutions.com
http://www.thatfishplace.com

A couple of other good sites for equipment are
http://www.jehmco.com
http://www.customaquatics.com
http://www.aquacave.com

Feed a varied diet, stay away from tubifex in any way shape or form (just in case). Live blackworms (CBWs) are available from
http://www.aquaticfoods.com

For your livestock, there are many great breeders that sponsor this site, and IMO, having them shipped to you from a breeder is vastly better than buying them at a local pet shop (LFS).

UGFs and LFSs are frowned upon :( :D

Forget the powerhead, you don't need it as your Discus will prefer a more peaceful environment. A 38 is on the small side so a couple of Hydro III's or IVs may be all you need, and a good airpump of course :)

Again, welcome back to the addiction.

Jim

AADiscus
09-28-2005, 10:15 PM
I wouldn't use a fish from a lfs to cycle your tank. Then you end with stuff in your tank you don't want or need.

I suggust do a fishless tank cycle, bare bottom with sponge filters with pure amonia (NON-SCENTED). Read in the library on how to do this. Then you will be started out right and be ready to go in about a month.

Good Luck!!!!!!!

DarkDiscus
09-29-2005, 09:23 AM
I'll put it this way:

I have never seen a discus in a LFS that compared to the least fish that I have received from a breeder.

I am sure there are a few good LFS out there with quality discus but I would wager that they cost a great deal and are still not as good as what you can get from a discus pro.

JMHO,

John

PS. I used to use UGFs in some of my tanks and felt they worked well. I removed them MANY years ago and since then my tanks have been easier to clean, healthier and my fish have lived much longer with fewer instances of disease. So I agree with the majority here as well.

Alight
09-29-2005, 03:47 PM
Cabe, I just came back to Discus after a long time away last year. You will be amazed at the variety of Discus now available--Spectacular stuff!!

Unless you happen to live near one of the breeders, shipping is the only way to go. You simply will not see the variety of Discus, and the quality of Discus at any lfs.

Definitely do the fishless cycling bit with ammonia. I assume you're not in a hurry, but if you are, there is something called Bio-spira, that you can use in conjunction with fishless cycling to speed up everything quite a bit. No one has worked out the proper procedure to do this yet, but in one attempt I made, I but in half the Bio-spira when I started with the ammonia (high ammonia levels) and when the ammonia was going to zero every day (2 days later) and the nitrites were very high, I did a partial water change to bring the nitrites down a to 1 ppm, and added the other half of the Bio-spira, and kept up with the daily ammonia dosing. Two more days later and the filters were cycled.

Definitly go bare bottom if you're raising you Discus to adults. You'll be amazed at how much bigger they will get than the last ones you had if you do this.

You can add gravel and plants once they're all grown up and you want an additional challenge (trimming plants, keep them growing well, algae control, etc.).

Cabe
09-29-2005, 08:04 PM
Thanks for all the information! I think I'll keep my 38 gallon with the ugf and plants, but buy an additional 55 gallon tank and use it bare-bottomed for discus. I'll let you all know how it turns out!

Green Country Discus
09-29-2005, 10:49 PM
Cabe, looks like you took the good advise and I would like to see some pics when you get set up. Do study about quality. Discus are a lot of work! Make your work pay off and end up with some show stopper adults. Keep smiling.

ppv1951
10-02-2005, 05:19 PM
hi cabe -

and, welcome. i've been away a long time too. you WILL be amazed at all the new strains out there. lotsa new info too. welcome back to discus and welcome again to simplyD.

pat.