Wild Pics part 2

[Lee C]

:p :p

[Lee C]

:bandana:

[Lee C]

:p

[Lee C]

last one;)

[pcsb23]

Lee,

Really nice wilds, they look to be in very good condition too.

[alpine]

Lee, pic three is very nice.

roberto.

[Martin]

Very nice fish.
Is the last one a heckel cross ?

[Lee C]

She is 100 percent wild.:p

[MiamiDan]

Nice pics Lee...since we are trading baby pictures, take a look at my 5" Tefe Green...

[Lee C]

Nanay RSG

[Kindredspirit]

Wow! That is nice ~ I like him!


Marie ~ http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_4_10.gif

[jeff cannons]

My Red Nhamunda

[Lee C]

The best part about the wild caught ones are you don't get the scuffles about the breeder and the number of spots:p

[Lee C]

:gossip: :lickin: :rolleyes2: :spit:

[AmazonRainbows]

Nice pics Lee...since we are trading baby pictures, take a look at my 5" Tefe Green...
Miami,

I think you have a nive looking tefé green.

[AmazonRainbows]

Lee,

What kind of wild are on picture #14?

[Lee C]

I would have to ask Ken, but I am not sure the one Miami posted is a green.
Could just be the lighting, and the shape is more Brazilian. What do you think Ken?:confused:

[Lee C]

Lee,

What kind of wild are on picture #14?

Alenquers, Ica and Royal:p

[yogi]

Lee that brown with the heckel stripe is real nice. Here is a picture with some assorted wilds.

[IceDiscus]

;) Those are some nice wilds. here are some of mine

[IceDiscus]

wild greens and wild blues

[IceDiscus]

wilds:D

[IceDiscus]

:D

[tatore]

Nice pics Lee...since we are trading baby pictures, take a look at my 5" Tefe Green...
It seems to be more a blue than a green, how long do you breed it?
Beautiful nanay

[IceDiscus]

;)

[tatore]

some child:D

[IceDiscus]

Those look great

[adzigogov2001]

Tatore, what kind is that on the right.

[tatore]

It's a semi-royal-
You see it, here, on the left-
Always fighting with the same heckel cross:D :D

[Squiggy]

Beautiful fish, tatore....:D


Joe

[adzigogov2001]

Yap beatiful, hope someday I'll get some:)

[1977]

I really like the wild discus, one day I would like to have a nice planted setup with wilds. They look great!

[tatore]

It's a choice...
In a sense they are less difficult than breeded, just becouse you learn to read their mood watching the behaviour, the colour..
In another sense they are quite delicate, and it's a job to understand what's better for them, for foods, water and so on...
Now it's normal to plan things and breed them easily, but it's true that when I watch them, I see something missing them..:(

[Apistomaster]

Icediscus discus is a beautiful green, just look at the red spotted green anal fin that is a green charateristic. Blues have have stripes not spots in the anal fin,
Why does anyone think the discus tatore show is a hybrid? It looks like a nice Heckel to me.
I have not read Bleher's new Discus Monograph but I don't think Heckels cross naturally but may in captivity where choices of partners are restricted.
Heckels vary quite a bit but that does not make them hybrids. I have a group of 10 Heckels and some are colored like the common red Heckel, some look like blue heckels and some appear to be the pineapple Heckel. A central darker bar does not indicate a hybrid as so many Rio Madeira fish are so labeled. They are just what they appear to be a brown/blue with an accentuated central bar. I think it is a mistake to read to much into these variations especially in the context of aquifasciata x Heckel cross. I doubt very much that Heckels mate with aquafasciata in the wild.
Discus simply are extremely variable in color and pattern in the wild.
Larry

[Tony_S]

I think it is a mistake to read to much into these variations especially in the context of aquifasciata x Heckel cross. I doubt very much that Heckels mate with aquafasciata in the wild.
Discus simply are extremely variable in color and pattern in the wild.
Larry

I'm one to believe that Heckels and Aequifaciata do in fact cross breed in the wild...Albeit, I don't think it's a common occurrence, but somewhere in the grand scheme of things it has to happen. How else can you explain both the extreme color, and pattern variation that you mention?

Tony

[Lee C]

Heavy Barred Blue Wild

[Apistomaster]

The huge color variations observed in wild fish occur far removed from the Heckel habitat. So I would ask what do Heckels have to do with that? Discus are a variably colored fish. Under any particular log you can catch every thing from a ordinary brown to a royal blue. Or further west an ordinary green and a beautiful rsg with 200 red spots. It's just the way discus are. In the scheme of things Heckels have become adapted to the extremes of the Rio Negro water. You don't see many royal blues or any aquifasciata discus labeled from the Rio Negro. And just about anyone can breed a wild aquifasciata but not many have bred Heckels successfully. They are very different fish. So if Heckels only occur in Rio Negro or similar water it is would be hard to assert as having contributed much if anything to the aquifasciata gene pool. That is my opinion nothing more. I just think we discus keepers are a little quick on the trigger to say a wild caught fish of which we know nothing about it's ancestory is the result of hybridization. While the same argument holds true in the reverse I don't think there is much hard evidence to demonstrate that Heckels have anything to do with a darker central bar showing up in wild fish collected hundreds of miles from the nearest Heckel. Sometimes the simplest explaination is the best. Discus are very variable and selective breeding has shown how it is possible to produce coloration far removed from wild phenotypes and Heckels have contributed little if anything to the diversity of captive strains in existence.
I don't know if you have ever kept Heckels but I venture to say that those who have would agree they are quite a bit different than aquifasciata.

[IceDiscus]

Apistomaster :Icediscus discus is a beautiful green, just look at the red spotted green anal fin that is a green charateristic. Blues have have stripes not spots in the anal fin,

Thank you Apistomaster: Thats my favorite wild:D :D

[jolle]

you guys have som e awsome fish!!!!!! here is som e pics of mine

[jolle]

one more

[jolle]

another

[jolle]

and another one

[tatore]

Just some picture of my heckels on december 2005

[tatore]

and more..

[tatore]

more...

[tatore]

and the last

[cristina]

and the last

Hi all ! Very interesting how you feed them! I like your tank and your heckels.Unfortunately i don't have any discus fish but i love them very much so that why i read all of your interesting experiences about them.

[tatore]

Thank You...
That's what's happened this morning:D :D

[tatore]

last one

[Apistomaster]

Your rsg is the phenotype I have been trying to acquire, They are they quintessential green discus IMO. Not the easiest kind to find and whether their characteristic are passed on to their fry is anothe question. Wild fish produce many different phenotypes and trying to fix it takes years and the raising of so many fish that space is a problem to house them for grow out and breeder selection. I have always like these and good wild royal blues. I have selected Heckels for my main wild dicus projects. Should I get lucky their phentotype has been fixed in nature. I'm not holding my breath for success but if you don't try it will never happen. All the other wild forms are easy to breed for a discus aquarists with experience with wild fish, but it could take 20 years to develop true breeding color varities.
Larry

[Apistomaster]

Tatore,
Congrates on your Heckels. You know better than most how rare this is. I hope that you have continued success and get fry.
Larry

[Apistomaster]

The aquifasciata come in variations on a wide contiuum making assigned a name to one of the 3 main divisions very subjective. There are always fish that are intergrades between the green/blue and browns. The fish in your photos, spawning aside are very pretty fish, Those fish actually share traits common to some blue and greens. Also spawning coloration is different than nonspawning colors which makes it even more difficult for me to say anything very useful other than congratulations and nice fish.
Larry

[jolle]

wow!! congrats!! thats a woooonderful sight, sure hope they go all the way. how big are they?

[KIWI13]

beautiful pics tatore especially the one with the eggs...

[tatore]

I'm very glad, Larry, for your words..you are a very expert.
I just don't know how it will go on...I've shared IN REAL TIME what's happened in my tank, and today (24h) the eggs are there, no white, and the both discus are lovely...they move une each time to eat and then come back fast to the eggs...
It's the first time and the emotion is great.
I guess heckel has nhamunda blood (as we say in italian)..but it's the frst time for them, so, it doesn't matter how it will go on..
Heckel is 18 months old, alenquer too...(but who really knows?).
However I'll try to make other pics (now lights are switched off)to share with you the experience, the first with wilds (brrr:o )

[Lee C]

Good luck on your Heckel spawn!

[Lee C]

I know this was linked to this site a couple years ago, but I just went to check it out again. Makes you wonder why folks wanted to change the looks of the natural discus. Click on the pics to enlarge:book:
http://www.amazon-exotic-import.de/Gallerie/Diskuswildf%e4nge/INDEX.htm

[Squiggy]

I feel the same way, Lee....

[jeep8rus]

Looking great guys. I have to stop reading these pic threads because it makes me want two more discus....I wish I had another reason to go to Florida. I'd love to handpick from Ken's stock.

[Ed13]

I know this was linked to this site a couple years ago, but I just went to check it out again. Makes you wonder why folks wanted to change the looks of the natural discus. Click on the pics to enlarge:book:
http://www.amazon-exotic-import.de/Gallerie/Diskuswildf%e4nge/INDEX.htm

:shocked: :shocked2: :spit: Wow, drooling here! I feel the same way! But then, I can't refuse wilds or domestics!:inquisitive: :D

[Darren's Discus]

hey tatore how did you go with your spawn ?nice looking fish.

cheers

[ricky.66]

lee, i love ur hackel , the shape is nice & is good in condition ,good work .

[ricky.66]

tatore , ur hackel look so nice , i hope they can swim in my tank one day !