Heckel Cross X Blue Scorpion [Archive]

Eddie

09-08-2009, 10:09 PM

Well I figured it would be any day but not any minute! I saw her tube down earlier today and got some good shots. I uploaded the photos and returned to her laying eggs. The reason I am ecstatic is because the Heckel X (possibly one of Waynes Checkerboard Heckels) has always eaten the eggs as they were laid by the females. Not this time! He is making his runs.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/New%20Pair/8%20Sept%20eggs/DSC00655.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/New%20Pair/8%20Sept%20eggs/DSC00656.jpg

Cooldadddyfunk286

09-08-2009, 10:26 PM

woowww bro! KILLER pair you could have there...man those would make for some AWESOME fry! I hope for the best man!! just awesome. my 2 favorite fish you have :p:D

DiscusOnly

09-08-2009, 10:31 PM

That's an awsome sight.

lkevin

09-08-2009, 11:04 PM

Congrats Eddie. It's about time something went your way.

Best of luck with the fry...

frenchie100

09-08-2009, 11:20 PM

Woohoo!!! Congratulations!!! Have fun! :)

Julie :)

Eddie

09-09-2009, 12:52 AM

Thanks All, we'll see. I am leaving for 2 weeks in Saturday so I don't expect them to last but at least my Heckel X has stopped eating them straight away. Maybe he will eat them later. LOL

Take care,

Edie

Eddie

09-09-2009, 01:47 AM

Some more shots, the Heckel X hasn't eaten them yet. :o

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/New%20Pair/8%20Sept%20eggs/DSC00657.jpg

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/New%20Pair/8%20Sept%20eggs/DSC00660.jpg

Darren's Discus

09-09-2009, 02:07 AM

Eddie,
nice pair,all the best with the spawn !

cheers

Eddie

09-09-2009, 04:14 AM

Eddie,
nice pair,all the best with the spawn !

cheers

Thanks Darren!

Eddie

mikel

09-09-2009, 04:33 AM

Wow, very nice pair of fish. The heckel is growing up! I love their complementary looks....very very handsome pair! Best with them! mike:)

Eddie

09-09-2009, 04:38 AM

Wow, very nice pair of fish. The heckel is growing up! I love their complementary looks....very very handsome pair! Best with them! mike:)

Thanks Mike, I hope this will be a good pair. Would love to grow some fry out for myself.

Take care!

Eddie

TankWatcher

09-09-2009, 06:06 AM

Now that's a nice reward, after all your recent troubles !

Eddie

09-09-2009, 07:21 AM

Now that's a nice reward, after all your recent troubles !

I know Robyn! The bad part is that I am off for 2 weeks vacation, leaving Saturday. Its all good though, as long as it isnt a disease outbreak before I leave, I am HAPPY with that! Less stress :o

Take care,

Eddie

ashaysathe

09-09-2009, 01:18 PM

Awesome Eddie. This is spectacular. Is there a SWAG at what kind of babies? Get them to Dallas, next yr will be awesome.

csarkar001

09-09-2009, 01:47 PM

Eddie:

i'm just curious as to why you waited until now to try to breed discus. i mean with your experience ....

chandan

Eddie

09-09-2009, 08:46 PM

Awesome Eddie. This is spectacular. Is there a SWAG at what kind of babies? Get them to Dallas, next yr will be awesome.

Thanks Ashay! I wish I could!

Eddie:

i'm just curious as to why you waited until now to try to breed discus. i mean with your experience ....

chandan

Hey Chandan, I am not experienced at all. Still learning every day. I've only kept discus off and on for a long time. I have never been able to sit back for several years to put forth the effort. Now that I am in Japan, I have a few more years here and I am also going to try and stay here another 4 years on top of that. This would give me >6 years to work on some breeding skills. :D

Take care guys!

Only one white egg today.......wonder what that means:o

Eddie

Scribbles

09-09-2009, 09:11 PM

How exciting Eddie! It's about time you had some good luck. Fingers crossed that all goes well with them. What do you think that this cross will throw?

Chris

acroken

09-09-2009, 09:13 PM

Eddie,
a whole new chapter is starting for you now. I am very happy with your success with that beautiful pair. I want pictures of wigglers:D

Best of luck!

Kenny

MSD

09-09-2009, 09:18 PM

Hey Chandan, I don't think Eddie waited, it is up to the fish ya know.....

Hope that is not sarcasm I'm sensing???

Eddie

09-09-2009, 10:22 PM

How exciting Eddie! It's about time you had some good luck. Fingers crossed that all goes well with them. What do you think that this cross will throw?

Chris

Thanks Chris, I am not really sure. These 2 different types have never been crossed. Might just be a mut fish. We'll see though. I am thinking something along the lines as turqs but its really hard to say, could be anything really. The Heckel cross is dominant I think but who knows. :o

Eddie,
a whole new chapter is starting for you now. I am very happy with your success with that beautiful pair. I want pictures of wigglers:D

Best of luck!

Kenny

Thanks Kenny! Unfortunately I won't be here for the wigglers. I am leaving the day after tomorrow so they are left to fend for themselves. I will be gone for 2 weeks. Not really sure what I will come back to. :(

Hey Chandan, I don't think Eddie waited, it is up to the fish ya know.....

Hope that is not sarcasm I'm sensing???

LOL, its all good Mark. Thanks

Take care all,

Eddie

Eddie

09-11-2009, 05:56 AM

Finally :D Had to remove the female, she was trying to lay again and I said "F" it. Lets see what the male can do, so far so good. There isn't too many, maybe 30 or 40 left to hatch and about a dozen wrigglers.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/New%20Pair/11%20Sept/DSC00703.jpg

Tito

09-11-2009, 08:02 AM

Hey Chandan, I am not experienced at all. Still learning every day. I've only kept discus off and on for a long time.
Eddie

Eddie - with well over 10,000 of your post here in this forum - I find your statement rather confusing.

That is about as sincere as I can make my statement.

I thought Chandan made a good observation.

Eddie

09-11-2009, 09:03 AM

Eddie - with well over 10,000 of your post here in this forum - I find your statement rather confusing.

That is about as sincere as I can make my statement.

I thought Chandan made a good observation.

10,000 posts don't mean a thing and of course you did. ;)

Eddie

Eddie

09-11-2009, 11:18 AM

Good Papa so far, he's mouthed the little suckers and put them back in their piles, cool as hell. He is pretty defensive too. If I get too close he'll rush me, so protective.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/with%20wrigglers/DSC00714.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/with%20wrigglers/DSC00715.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/with%20wrigglers/DSC00716.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/with%20wrigglers/DSC00718.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/with%20wrigglers/DSC00720.jpg

Cooldadddyfunk286

09-11-2009, 04:49 PM

very cool Eddie! keep us updated bro :D

Ed13

09-11-2009, 08:08 PM

And we have liftoff...

Tito

09-11-2009, 08:54 PM

Don't think I mentioned it but that is a very nice pair Eddie. Very nice indeed and I would imagine the offspring would look really good. Hopefully these fish will be able to bring up the fry to the point you can begin raising them. Send me some! LOL

I'm still confused. LOL

Chad Hughes

09-11-2009, 09:13 PM

Very nice Eddie! Looks like you might have a good set of parents there!

Best wishes!

Scribbles

09-11-2009, 09:55 PM

Congratulations! All the best with them.

Chris

blkrob

09-12-2009, 12:38 AM

Hope it all work out for you. So when do you plan on shipping your fish to the states?:D

Robert

Carolina discus

09-12-2009, 05:43 AM

Eddie,
Great job buddy...I agree, nothing cooler than seeing a pair or Mom/Dad take care of their young.....always enjoy seeing what you are working with over there....and don't sweat it Bro, 12 fry is an accomplishment!

Keep us posted and good luck.

Eric

smiley

09-12-2009, 08:21 AM

Hoping to see the fry with its papa n mama soon :D

Eddie

09-12-2009, 10:58 PM

Darn the bad luck all, unfortunately the male ate the fry. Really weird because we were only asleep for 2-3 hours. When I went downstairs, all the babies were gone and all the old/hatched eggs were cleaned off the cone. I tossed the female back in the tank before we left out. Maybe they'll try again, who knows. At least it was cool seeing the little wrigglers! I hope they do end up being a good pair.

Take care all,

Eddie

DiscusKev

09-13-2009, 12:25 PM

Stunning Fish Eddie, I'm sure they will spawn again; just give them some time :)

Scribbles

09-13-2009, 01:23 PM

Sorry to hear that the fry were eaten. Now that the pair have a little experiance maybe they will do better next time. Good luck with them.

Chris

Eddie

10-16-2009, 12:12 AM

So the last time the 2 spawned, I coned the eggs, removed Mom and they turned to wrigglers. Slowly Dad was able to somehow eat them so I took out the egg guard, put Ma back in and left for Texas, literally. LOL Now the wife mentioned that they had a new batch of eggs the day before yesterday and today she told me that she noticed all the eggs gone. She figured they ate the eggs but apparently all the eggs hatched and Ma and Pa moved the wrigglers to the backside of the cone. Hopefully they feel like raising them this time. There is just something about not changing water and not feeding the fish that gets mine going, strange. Hopefully will have some photos of them when I return. Keep your fingers crossed, mine are!

Take care,

Eddie

Scribbles

10-16-2009, 03:10 AM

How exciting! Maybe they just need their privacy. LOL. Good luck with them.

Chris

TankWatcher

10-16-2009, 07:20 AM

Fry everywhere, Eddie. Amazing !

Eddie

10-16-2009, 07:46 AM

Thanks! The funny thing is, there are NO lights on any of my tanks, just when the sun comes up or goes down. Which means its damn near pitch black at night and very dim in the days. Strange....guess they enjoy dim lit rooms. :D Wonder how they are able to see the fry to move them around the cone at night....:confused:

Eddie

MSD

10-16-2009, 09:03 AM

They do come from dark dark waters, must see and smell very well. Discus can be such dumb creatures eating there eggs and fry, but you'll get them there if anyone can Eddie, you have great persistence.

Cooldadddyfunk286

10-17-2009, 12:55 PM

thats funny how that works man, once the WCs and feedings stop, they start goin! its ironic...maybe your onto something here Eddie. great news tho, I hope you can raise up some heckel X fry...I want some! :D:D

VIOLIN33

10-17-2009, 01:04 PM

very nice,would love a few of those myself...:):):):):D:D:p:p

Eddie

10-18-2009, 04:27 PM

Funny you should mention that Jason, they went free swimming last night when I got home. The parents are meticulously keeping them bunched up on the cone. I had to drop the water level, since they are in a 45, too much space for the fry to get away. I love going out of town!

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/with%20wrigglers/free%20swimming%2018%20Oct/IMG_1909.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/with%20wrigglers/free%20swimming%2018%20Oct/IMG_1914.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/with%20wrigglers/free%20swimming%2018%20Oct/IMG_1916.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/with%20wrigglers/free%20swimming%2018%20Oct/IMG_1917.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/with%20wrigglers/free%20swimming%2018%20Oct/IMG_1918.jpg

Mr Wild

10-18-2009, 05:09 PM

Just beautiful Eddie!

Ed13

10-18-2009, 05:40 PM

DEF Nice, feel like they are more simply's babies than your own though;)

Congrats again man!

Eddie

10-18-2009, 05:43 PM

DEF Nice, feel like they are more simply's babies than your own though;)

Congrats again man!

LOL, for real! Can't to see how these turn out. Really strange how all in all, it was keeping them together that got them this far. Hopefully they will raise them together too.

Thanks Ed,

Eddie

Scribbles

10-18-2009, 11:32 PM

Great pictures Eddie! Congratulations on the fry! I guess they just needed a little privacy. LOL

Chris

Eddie

10-18-2009, 11:41 PM

Great pictures Eddie! Congratulations on the fry! I guess they just needed a little privacy. LOL

Chris

Something......I guess thats all the needed. I'll giving the fish plenty of private time if thats what it takes! LOL

Take care,

Eddie

Eddie

10-19-2009, 10:24 PM

Clearer video, she's got plenty! Third time was a charm for them.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/w%20fry/th_HXBS.jpg (http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/w%20fry/?action=view&current=HXBS.flv)

Mr Wild

10-20-2009, 05:07 PM

Just amazing, hope it all turns out good Eddie.

Eddie

10-20-2009, 06:12 PM

Just amazing, hope it all turns out good Eddie.

Thanks Kath, its all good! The fish transfer from Ma to Pa through out the day its so cool. :D Will keep you posted on their growth.

Take care! Hope all is well,

Eddie

Eddie

10-20-2009, 09:12 PM

Clean shot of them today.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/New%20Pair/BS%20with%20Heckel/20%20Oct/IMG_2307.jpg

Eddie

erikc

10-21-2009, 11:11 AM

Hi Eddie,

sorry I missed your post (I've been exceptionaly busy and it's not lagging off). Congratulations on the spawn and on the parents keeping them. I am very happy for you especially since it's the heckel cross. I guess there are a lot of memebers very curious to see how they turn out (including yourself, of course). Keep posting and thanks for sharing !

Eddie

10-21-2009, 06:04 PM

Scribbles

10-22-2009, 05:31 AM

Great picture Eddie! I think that it's so amazing that those little guys turn into big round discus. Best of luck with them.

Chris

Eddie

10-22-2009, 06:58 AM

Thanks alot Chris, will keep you posted. ;)

Take care,

Eddie

Eddie

10-22-2009, 07:41 PM

Here's Mama raising them on her own. ;) She is my smallest adult fish. :o

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/New%20Pair/BS%20w%20fry/22%20Oct/IMG_2429.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/New%20Pair/BS%20w%20fry/22%20Oct/IMG_2434.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/New%20Pair/BS%20w%20fry/22%20Oct/IMG_2435.jpg

Enjoy

wgtaylor

10-22-2009, 08:19 PM

Hey, beautiful pictures Eddie. :)
Anxious to see these guys grow to adults, should be a super nice cross.
Bill

hedut

10-22-2009, 08:24 PM

OMG, I missed it:p:p. Congratz for fry Eddie.Send me some of that fry the one more look like Heckel X:p:p:p:p. again Congrats :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Take care bro

Eddie

10-22-2009, 08:32 PM

Thanks guys! I am really excited about this cross too. I can't wait to see the outcome! Unfortunately the spawn was small, only about 30-40 of them but they all, hatched and are all doing EXCELLENT! These fry are some tough puppys!

Will keep you guys updated! :D

Take care,

Eddie

Eddie

10-25-2009, 04:18 AM

7 days free swimming. Got a good shot of one of the stragglers. :D

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/New%20Pair/BS%20w%20fry/25%20Oct/IMG_2479.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/New%20Pair/BS%20w%20fry/25%20Oct/IMG_2480.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/New%20Pair/BS%20w%20fry/25%20Oct/IMG_2480-1.jpg

hedut

10-25-2009, 04:50 AM

they look so cute:D:D:D

Scribbles

10-25-2009, 05:27 AM

Dude, tadpoles are attacking your discus. LOL. Sorry I couldn't resist. Seriously tho, great pics of the little guys. Can't wait to see how they turn out.

Chris

Mr Wild

10-25-2009, 07:24 AM

She is doing such a great job! What will you start feeding them?

Eddie

10-25-2009, 11:00 PM

She is doing such a great job! What will you start feeding them?

Thanks All! They are already eating finely ground Prime Reef. :D

Eddie

Eddie

10-31-2009, 12:18 AM

Round 4 for these guys (Heckel cross X Blue Scorpion). Mom ate all but 1 overnight on day 7. This time I ain't playing! Going to get them on food to remove them on day 7 and try to keep them going on my own.

Oh yeah, and dad ate half the eggs yesterday! What B----ES!!!! GGrrr

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%204/IMG_2768.jpg

Eddie

11-01-2009, 12:14 AM

Dedication to the life of one single fry. Mom had eaten all but one on the evening of day 7, I saved him. He's being raised as the Lone Ranger on BBS. :D You can see his little belly with BBS. Many would just toss it but he's a spunky sucker, feisty!

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/fry/IMG_2912.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/fry/IMG_2913.jpg

Eddie

Mr Wild

11-01-2009, 12:51 AM

Oh he adorable! Yep I am with you just have to give it a try! Best of luck.

Scribbles

11-01-2009, 02:04 AM

Awww. He's a cute little guy. I'm glad that you saved him. He deserves a chance.

Chris

rickztahone

11-01-2009, 02:06 AM

what happened to the no BBS theory? or was it that you fed them the crushed flakes after they had already fed off the parents?

Eddie

11-01-2009, 02:27 AM

what happened to the no BBS theory? or was it that you fed them the crushed flakes after they had already fed off the parents?

Ground flake when off the parents but this tiny sucker needed some BBS since it was not taking any powder flake. :D

Eddie

Mr Wild

11-01-2009, 08:49 AM

Ground flake when off the parents but this tiny sucker needed some BBS since it was not taking any powder flake. :D

Eddie

You always get one that bucks the system! eh Eddie?

scottthomas

11-01-2009, 07:18 PM

Eddie

11-01-2009, 08:00 PM

Thats a bummer they ate the fry. I am looking forward to seeing that cross. maybe some will look like the father. If so, I want a few:). Cracked me up when I saw you are raising the lone ranger there. Thats too cool.

LOL, I know, I just couldnt toss him. He is a fighter! Probably out ran the Ma around the tank all night before I got him out!

The Heckel Cross and Blue Scorpion have wrigglers now, so once these suckers start eating off the parents sides and taking BBS, I am taking them out! ;)

Will keep you updated!

Eddie

rwong2k

11-01-2009, 10:16 PM

wow great thread, it's so exciting, can't wait to see more photos and the next spawn!

Eddie

11-01-2009, 10:19 PM

wow great thread, it's so exciting, can't wait to see more photos and the next spawn!

Thanks....will post in few days when the fry attach to the parents, unless they eat them again! :o Its okay, practice makes perfect.

Take care!

Eddie

Eddie

11-04-2009, 06:47 AM

Low and behold....the dark 5th bar in the little man....:D Just kidding....Looks like it though, LOL. He's taking ground pellet now and today I got him and my 2 baby Albino on my new mix.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/fry/3%20Nov/IMG_2959.jpg

hedut

11-04-2009, 07:14 AM

That so cute Eddie, can't wait see them grow. :)

Eddie

11-04-2009, 08:12 AM

That so cute Eddie, can't wait see them grow. :)

LOL, yeah man....this little guy is funny. He's like a baby puppy following the 2 Albinos EVERYWHERE. They're the 3 amigos now. :D

Eddie

Mr Wild

11-04-2009, 08:23 AM

What is the new mix Eddie?

Eddie

11-04-2009, 08:29 AM

What is the new mix Eddie?

I moved onto a 60% shrimp/20% heart/20% liver mix a few weeks ago, its putting some SIZE on my fish....BIG time. I've got other goodies in the mix too, to include baby oatmeal, Pro-Growth, freshly crushed garlic and powdered calcium citrate.

Eddei

Mr Wild

11-04-2009, 08:41 AM

oooooooo who's been reading Andrew's book then? LOL

Eddie

11-04-2009, 08:46 AM

oooooooo who's been reading Andrew's book then? LOL

LOL, you know I got a few signed copies of the second book when it was first released. Its my favorite of the 2 books......actually my favorite discus book period. ;)

Eddie

Mr Wild

11-04-2009, 08:48 AM

It is a great book, I have to thank April for mine she was happy to ship it all the way to me...fantastic and arrived in great condition too!.

Got to agree its a great book.

Cooldadddyfunk286

11-04-2009, 09:09 AM

I need the 2nd book lol. Eddie, how many little babies did u get from this spawn? how many you got left from the ARD spawn?? Im confused! LOL :D

Eddie

11-04-2009, 09:18 AM

I need the 2nd book lol. Eddie, how many little babies did u get from this spawn? how many you got left from the ARD spawn?? Im confused! LOL :D

I know, they are spawning non-stop. LOL

Heckel Cross X Blue Scorpion
The first batch to attach to Ma ended up getting eaten by Mom on day 7. There was 1 tiny fry left from that batch. I fished him out and fed him BBS for a few days until he started eating crushed pellet.

Albino Red Diamond
The very first batch that attached to Ma and Pa, had only 8 survivors. I had them in a 10 gallon for a while and 6 died from something, just zipping around the tank and swirling in tight circles, laying on the tank bottom. Changed a few things and was able to save 2 of the smallest ones.

Capiche :D

Eddie

rwong2k

11-04-2009, 09:35 PM

great news and great update!
can't wait to hear more about this pair!

Scribbles

11-05-2009, 05:41 AM

Your little ones are so cute! I'm glad that they are doing well.

Chris

Eddie

11-05-2009, 06:05 AM

Your little ones are so cute! I'm glad that they are doing well.

Chris

Thanks Chris....its only the 3 of them though. Gotta take what I can get right. Maybe next time I'll get 4......:o

Take care,

Eddie

blkrob

11-05-2009, 12:26 PM

Glad to see things are coming along Eddie. So does this mean I can talk you into bringing those heckle crosses with you to N.A.D.A. meeting? Looking forward to reading on the next spawn.
Robert

Eddie

11-05-2009, 07:11 PM

Glad to see things are coming along Eddie. So does this mean I can talk you into bringing those heckle crosses with you to N.A.D.A. meeting? Looking forward to reading on the next spawn.
Robert

Thanks Robert....you know I wish I could! I am looking forward to the next spawn myself! LOL So finicky these 2, would be great if they'd stop eating the fry! :mad: What punks!

Take care,

Eddie

Eddie

11-08-2009, 09:22 PM

Round 5, hopefully they won't eat them. Both Ma and Pa fanning their small clutch of eggs. Ma is fairly small so she only pumps out +/- 100 eggs every spawn.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/videos/th_HXBSFan.jpg (http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/videos/?action=view&current=HXBSFan.flv)

Scribbles

11-09-2009, 03:23 AM

Great video Eddie! Best of luck with them.

Chris

Eddie

11-09-2009, 03:37 AM

Great video Eddie! Best of luck with them.

Chris

Thanks Chris, need lots of luck on my side. These 2 are notorious for eating eggs/fry! This batch of eggs is a little larger than some of her past spawns so hopefully they can go all the way through with it! ;)

Take care,

Eddie

Cooldadddyfunk286

11-09-2009, 09:44 AM

GOOD LUCK BRO! ;):D:D

Eddie

11-09-2009, 09:48 AM

GOOD LUCK BRO! ;):D:D

Thanks Jason, should be wrigglin tomorrow evening! Hope all goes well with them. :o

Take care,

Eddie

Eddie

11-10-2009, 11:25 PM

Thanks for the luck Jason, so far so good. Its a wriggler nation.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/11%20Nov%20wrigglers/th_WrigglersHXBS.jpg (http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/11%20Nov%20wrigglers/?action=view&current=WrigglersHXBS.flv)

Eddie

GrillMaster

11-10-2009, 11:39 PM

Hope this batch a fry will wind up keepin ya busy Eddie!! :)

Good luck with em! :thumbsup:

Mr Wild

11-10-2009, 11:40 PM

Oh good luck Eddie, I upset mine and Dad ate them so you have to come through now! LOL

Eddie

11-10-2009, 11:44 PM

Big Thanks Mark and Kath, gotta get these 2 down.

Take care!

Eddie

Cooldadddyfunk286

11-10-2009, 11:54 PM

nice batch ya got there bro, I dont really like larry the cable guy all that much but, GET ERR DDUUUNNNN!!! ;):D:D

Eddie

11-11-2009, 12:00 AM

nice batch ya got there bro, I dont really like larry the cable guy all that much but, GET ERR DDUUUNNNN!!! ;):D:D

Its up to these 2 fish, very particular but I guess practice makes perfect. :o

Eddie

Scribbles

11-11-2009, 05:23 AM

Great video! I wish that I had your photo/video skills. Looks like so far so good. I hope that you get plenty of little ones to fill your tanks. Good luck.

Chris

Eddie

11-11-2009, 05:47 AM

Great video! I wish that I had your photo/video skills. Looks like so far so good. I hope that you get plenty of little ones to fill your tanks. Good luck.

Chris

Thanks Chris...you know, I am using this super cheap Canon A480, no tricks or anything just point and shoot. Things are going pretty good so far, dad is mouthing the babies and putting them back on the PVC. Generally, he mouths them and they end up.....missing in action. :(

Eddie

hedut

11-11-2009, 06:34 AM

Congratz bro and hope they grow fast. My ATS eatting they fry too :(, but hopefully this time I can get some :)

Eddie

11-11-2009, 07:05 AM

Congratz bro and hope they grow fast. My ATS eatting they fry too :(, but hopefully this time I can get some :)

Thanks Hendri!

Eddie

11-11-2009, 09:19 PM

On the move

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/12%20Nov/IMG_3179.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/12%20Nov/IMG_3180.jpg

rickztahone

11-12-2009, 03:36 AM

nice pic Eddie

Eddie

11-12-2009, 03:41 AM

nice pic Eddie

Thanks Ricardo, so far so good. Hopefully they will keep them around longer than last time. :o

Eddie

Eddie

11-13-2009, 12:35 AM

Still livin, parents doing things good so far, Dad is very protective.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/13%20Nov/IMG_3207.jpg

Cooldadddyfunk286

11-13-2009, 02:42 AM

WOW, very very cool pics bro. Im seriously impressed! I hope you can pull some nice babies from this spawn! Im tuned in. ;)

good luck Eddie, take care!

Eddie

11-13-2009, 02:57 AM

WOW, very very cool pics bro. Im seriously impressed! I hope you can pull some nice babies from this spawn! Im tuned in. ;)

good luck Eddie, take care!

Thanks Jason, practice makes perfect I guess.... these 2 are always practicing :o. Will keep updating!

Take care,

Eddie

Scribbles

11-13-2009, 06:08 AM

Awesome shots Eddie! Glad to see that they are doing well.

Chris

Eddie

11-13-2009, 06:24 AM

Awesome shots Eddie! Glad to see that they are doing well.

Chris

Thanks Chris, I am just hoping to get shots of them little suckers as adults one day. Crossing my fingers!

Take care,

Eddie

Eddie

11-13-2009, 07:19 PM

We have lift off

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/14%20Nov%20Attach/th_HXBSDay5.jpg (http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/14%20Nov%20Attach/?action=view&current=HXBSDay5.flv)

fanaticdisc

11-13-2009, 07:25 PM

Bro you have a very nice pair, Thanks for sharing.

William Palumbo

11-13-2009, 07:27 PM

Congrats Eddie!...I never get tired of seeing that. Waiting here for 3 sets a wrigglers to go freeswimming anytime now. The longest wait I tell you...Bill

Eddie

11-13-2009, 07:34 PM

Thanks guys, this batch is by far their largest. They still have half on the sponge wall! Maybe that had something to do with them eating the frys early on. Keeping my fingers crossed on these ones. ;)

Eddie

Eddie

11-13-2009, 09:16 PM

Thats my boy!

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/14%20Nov%20Attach/th_FryonHeckelX.jpg (http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/14%20Nov%20Attach/?action=view&current=FryonHeckelX.flv)

Scribbles

11-14-2009, 03:23 AM

How exciting! Great videos. I can't wait to see pictures of them when they get bigger.

Chris

Eddie

11-14-2009, 05:02 AM

How exciting! Great videos. I can't wait to see pictures of them when they get bigger.

Chris

Thanks Chris! Me too! LOL :D

Eddie

Mr Wild

11-14-2009, 08:42 AM

FABULOUS EDDIE JUST FABULOUS!

Of course I am jealous! But hey they look so FAB!!!!!!

Eddie

11-14-2009, 08:45 AM

FABULOUS EDDIE JUST FABULOUS!

Of course I am jealous! But hey they look so FAB!!!!!!

Thanks Kath, I am hoping to keep both Ma and Pa with the fry for more than a week. We shall see...so far so good. :o

Take care,

Eddie

Eddie

11-15-2009, 06:56 AM

Couple of still shots from tonight. :D

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/15%20Nov/IMG_3342.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/15%20Nov/IMG_3343.jpg

hedut

11-15-2009, 07:09 AM

Look awesome :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: I'm happy for you Eddie, you have a lot of fry now :):) good luck

Eddie

11-15-2009, 07:12 AM

Look awesome :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: I'm happy for you Eddie, you have a lot of fry now :):) good luck

Thanks Hendri! This Heckel Cross was one of my first fish when I got back into the hobby last year. He's almost died TWICE, but I pulled him through and I just want to keep his legacy alive!!!!! ;)

Take care my friend,

Eddie

scottthomas

11-15-2009, 07:04 PM

Eddie

11-15-2009, 07:24 PM

Thanks for sharing video of the fry attaching. I always enjoy seeing that. I too am looking forward to seeing that Heckel pass on his genes. Do you think any of their offspring could look like the father?

Not sure Scott, be hard to say since the Mom is Snake variety. Guess we'll find out. Bet there will be many turquoise but thats okay.....thats one of my favorite type! :D

Take care,

Eddie

MSD

11-15-2009, 09:10 PM

Nice job Eddie, all your patience paid off big time for you and congrats on the spawning. Enjoy it my friend, I know you are! :)

Eddie

11-15-2009, 09:11 PM

Nice job Eddie, all your patience paid off big time for you and congrats on the spawning. Enjoy it my friend, I know you are! :)

Thanks Mark, long time no talk! Hope all is well on your side. Living the dream buddy....living the dream! :D

Take care,

Eddie

Disgirl

11-15-2009, 10:15 PM

Looking really good Eddie! I can see the slime in those tiny fry stomachs, they are bulging with it! Good luck with them,
Barb :)

Eddie

11-15-2009, 10:18 PM

Looking really good Eddie! I can see the slime in those tiny fry stomachs, they are bulging with it! Good luck with them,
Barb :)

Thanks Barb, so far so good. I'm torn between leaving them with Ma and Pa for a while or removing them as soon as I get them on other foods. ;) Ma and Pa like little fry snacks as their favorite food! :mad:

Take care,

Eddie

moik

11-15-2009, 11:38 PM

Good going with the fry..I leave them for about 2 weeks max..By the third or fourth day start BBS..They take to it easily. then you can move onto different foods after the 2 weeks. .It was what I just did with my Bulldog pigeon fry..never had luck leaving them with the parents after 2 weeks.

Eddie

11-15-2009, 11:42 PM

brewmaster15

11-16-2009, 08:17 AM

Nice Eddie...Real nice!:)

-al

Eddie

11-16-2009, 08:19 AM

Thanks Al and thanks for the change! ;)

Have a great day!

Eddie

keef

11-16-2009, 08:38 AM

Beautifull Eddie, great work! Thanks also for the advice bro ;)

Eddie

11-16-2009, 09:07 AM

Beautifull Eddie, great work! Thanks also for the advice bro ;)

Any time my friend, and thanks for the comments.

Take care,

Eddie

Eddie

11-16-2009, 10:08 PM

Feeding on Frozen BBS today while on Ma and Pa.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/17%20Nov/IMG_3390.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/17%20Nov/IMG_3393.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/17%20Nov/IMG_3394.jpg

Chad Hughes

11-17-2009, 03:40 AM

Hey Eddie!

Great work man! Not sure how I missed this thread, but looking good!

You're getting a handle on the breeding thing! Now I can see why you need that 300 gallon tank. LOL!

Best wishes!

Scribbles

11-17-2009, 06:07 AM

They're looking great Eddie! Seems like Ma and Pa are getting the hang of things.

Chris

Eddie

11-17-2009, 06:29 AM

Hey Eddie!

Great work man! Not sure how I missed this thread, but looking good!

You're getting a handle on the breeding thing! Now I can see why you need that 300 gallon tank. LOL!

Best wishes!

Thanks Chad, not really...LOL. :o

They're looking great Eddie! Seems like Ma and Pa are getting the hang of things.

Chris

Thanks Chris, seems so except Ma was removed today, she was munching on the little ones. So far Dad is holding his own and once they are fully taking the frozen BBS, they are on their own! Keeping my fingers crossed that Dad doesn't gobble them up before that. :o

Eddie

TankWatcher

11-17-2009, 06:33 AM

Babies everywhere in your tanks Eddie. Congratulations !

Eddie

11-17-2009, 06:41 AM

Babies everywhere in your tanks Eddie. Congratulations !

Thanks Robyn, still waiting for my Albino pair to follow through again. ;) I may have to keep them separated for a while as they fight like me and my wife....24/7. LOL

Eddie

Cooldadddyfunk286

11-17-2009, 09:47 AM

Eddie

11-17-2009, 08:30 PM

Eddie!! killer pics man! Im so happy that they are doing well for you. this is great news! I hope you can raise some of these up. man, seems like a KILLER cross to me, I guess we'll have to wait and see how they turn out. :)

For sure Jason, Thanks. Take care my friend!

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/18%20Nov/IMG_3463.jpg

Eddie

scottthomas

11-17-2009, 10:40 PM

That heckel looks mean as heck in his breeding colors.

Eddie

11-17-2009, 11:33 PM

That heckel looks mean as heck in his breeding colors.

LOL, yeah Scott....imagine how he is when I am doing water changes. This fish would probably break my skin if I put my hand in the tank, NOT JOKING. He is an aggressive buck. :o

Eddie

Eddie

11-19-2009, 12:36 AM

Getting bigger every day, they venture away from dad when being fed Frozen BBS. ;)

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/19%20Nov/IMG_3502.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/19%20Nov/IMG_3504.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/19%20Nov/IMG_3505.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/19%20Nov/IMG_3508.jpg

blkrob

11-19-2009, 01:37 AM

Keep up the good work Eddie. I enjoy seeing the progression.
Robert

Eddie

11-19-2009, 02:44 AM

Keep up the good work Eddie. I enjoy seeing the progression.
Robert

Thanks Robert! Me too! So far, this is the furthest that dad has gone solo. Hopefully this will be the ticket!

Take care my friend,

Eddie

Eddie

11-19-2009, 10:27 AM

Thought this was a cool video....the fry like the bubbles. :D

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/videos/th_HXfry5.jpg (http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/videos/?action=view&current=HXfry5.flv)

Eddie

11-19-2009, 10:35 PM

Independent little buggers....

Technology is getting so cheap, 100 dollar camera. :D

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/19%20Nov/night/IMG_3545.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/19%20Nov/night/IMG_3546.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/19%20Nov/night/IMG_3548.jpg

dpt8

11-19-2009, 11:14 PM

WOW !! Awesome pics and great fish Eddie.. Keep up the good work. I wish my pairs would kick in !!!

rwong2k

11-19-2009, 11:19 PM

great photos
can't wait to see more photos and the progression of the fry

Disgirl

11-19-2009, 11:22 PM

Fantastic pictures Eddie! They are worthy of being in a discus book!
Barb :)

Eddie

11-19-2009, 11:59 PM

Thanks all, really appreciate it.

Maybe a book someday Barb! ;)

So far so good, all eating frozen BBS and the fry like to wander about alot. I am thinking to move them onto their own soon.

Take care!

Eddie

forrest

11-20-2009, 12:39 AM

hi Eddie,
those r some lovely fries, parents r very caring too....nice job.

best rgds,
forrest.

Scribbles

11-20-2009, 01:28 AM

Awesome video and pics Eddie! Your Heckelx looks so cool in his daddy colors. The babies swimming around the bubbles reminds me of little kids running thru a sprinkler.

Chris

Eddie

11-20-2009, 05:38 AM

Thanks Forrest and Chris! ;)

Take care,

Eddie

mikel

11-20-2009, 07:06 AM

WOW>>>>> I didnt follow this thead, so now I read it from beginning to here, and I have to say, what an adventure! I had to hold my breath hoping that this last time, the babies dont become dimsum for ma and pa...Awesome, they look really really nice Eddie! The parents are beautiful, and your pictures really captured the moments, tension and joy and everything in between! they are worthy of being chronicled in a book!!!! I am just stunned and amazed by your dedication to and passion for these big goofy fish!!!mike:):):)

Eddie

11-20-2009, 09:37 AM

MSD

11-20-2009, 11:42 AM

"Eddie the breeder", looks good to me. :) Do they eat baby brine yet Eddie? Once the take ground pellets and BBS you should be good to go for their own tank. Very nice to see you with fry.

Eddie

11-20-2009, 08:19 PM

"Eddie the breeder", looks good to me. :) Do they eat baby brine yet Eddie? Once the take ground pellets and BBS you should be good to go for their own tank. Very nice to see you with fry.

Thanks my friend! Yeah, they eat Frozen BBS like champs. I am thinking of moving them today actually. I am working on setting them into a 10 gallon.

Take care and hope all is good!

Eddie

blkrob

11-20-2009, 09:56 PM

I was just showing off your fish and work as if it was mine.LOL. Thank you for the update and great pics. Thanks for sharing.
Robert

Eddie

11-20-2009, 11:20 PM

I was just showing off your fish and work as if it was mine.LOL. Thank you for the update and great pics. Thanks for sharing.
Robert

LOL, thats so funny. Any time Robert.....they are still doing great! ;)

Take care,

Eddie

Eddie

11-21-2009, 03:24 AM

Scribbles

11-21-2009, 03:41 AM

Awww..I think that their fat little bellies are cute. Looks like they are doing great!

Chris

Eddie

11-21-2009, 03:47 AM

Awww..I think that their fat little bellies are cute. Looks like they are doing great!

Chris

Thanks Chris, tomorrow will be the furthest I've had fry from the Heckel Cross X Blue Scorpion. Keep your fingers crossed that they don't all die overnight! :o

Take care,

Eddie

Scribbles

11-21-2009, 05:20 AM

Thanks Chris, tomorrow will be the furthest I've had fry from the Heckel Cross X Blue Scorpion. Keep your fingers crossed that they don't all die overnight! :o

Take care,

Eddie

Ok, fingers are crossed. Good luck!

Chris

Mr Wild

11-21-2009, 07:57 AM

Well done Eddie take care of those little beauties now! I am always amazed at how little they are!

Eddie

11-21-2009, 08:11 AM

Well done Eddie take care of those little beauties now! I am always amazed at how little they are!

Thanks Kath, they are all happy and eating well. Hoping I can keep this batch!

Take care,

Eddie

hedut

11-21-2009, 10:42 AM

They look AWESOME and cute Eddie. Good luck :thumbsup:

Lauren

11-21-2009, 11:28 AM

Day 7, moved to their own tank. Feeding Angel Plus Fry starter #1. They are feeding from the top as you can see. Someone mentioned that they don't....looks like it to me. This food is UNREAL!!! I sprinkled a little, came back a few minutes later, not a speck left on top or on the bottom and the fry bellies are full and orange! I am super impressed since this will be extremely clean!!

http://www.angelsplus.com/PelletStarter.htm

ive heard many times that angels plus fry starter is very good.

I really wish you all the luck with these fry! I'd love to see these all grown up.
I've always liked heckels a lot- but pretended like I didn't because I figured I could never breed them(given my luck, I know I can't). Whatever I have in my tank(s) I always have to attempt to breed them.

Eddie

11-21-2009, 08:29 PM

Thanks Hendri and Lauren!

The Male is Heckel Cross, probably a turq variety. He did pretty good this time but in the past....it was gobble gobble. LOL

Eddie

Eddie

11-22-2009, 02:50 AM

All alive today, loaded up on frozen BBS.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/22%20Nov%20day%208/IMG_3663.jpg

;)

Scribbles

11-22-2009, 03:49 AM

They look great Eddie. Nice and fat and sassy. Can't wait to see what they look like in a month or two.

Chris

Eddie

11-22-2009, 04:16 AM

They look great Eddie. Nice and fat and sassy. Can't wait to see what they look like in a month or two.

Chris

Thanks Chris, me too! Hopefully I can keep them alive that long.....:o

Take care

Eddie

Ed13

11-22-2009, 10:25 AM

All alive today, loaded up on frozen BBS.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/22%20Nov%20day%208/IMG_3663.jpg

;)
YOU CAN doit lil' ones!:D

Awesome Eddie!

Eddie

11-22-2009, 10:36 PM

Yup, one down this morning and was one of my largest ones too. GRRR :mad: Might be because I skipped changing their water last night, had to rush my kid to the ER. He had a super high temperature. He's doing better now but gave me a scare. Baby boy is most important! ;)

Take care,

Eddie

Scribbles

11-24-2009, 05:23 AM

Eddie

11-24-2009, 05:28 AM

Sorry to hear about your son, Eddie. How are all of your little ones doing (son and discus)?

Chris

Ah Chris, all the little ones are growing well, eating FBBS. My son on the other hand is still under the weather, high temp and tons of messy diapers. He wasnt eating or drinking anything without vomiting but this afternoon he finally started holding down food and water. Hopefully its past the worst part, been worried sick. :(

Thanks for asking and hope all is well, take care

Eddie

hedut

11-24-2009, 05:41 AM

Sorry to heard that Eddie, hope everthing will be back to normal soon :)

Eddie

11-24-2009, 05:44 AM

Sorry to heard that Eddie, hope everthing will be back to normal soon :)

Thanks Hendri, I appreciate it.

All the best,

Eddie

mikel

11-24-2009, 06:44 AM

Eddie

11-24-2009, 07:56 AM

Hay, sorry about your son! Take good care of him. I just have to say...the combination of your dedication to daily maintenance, your photo skills, and your ability to let your fish spawn, and most of all your willingness to share in your experience by posting all this stuff here...really go a long way to helping us (at least me) understand the intricacies of discus keeping and spawning. I so appreciate your effort, Eddie! mike:):):)

Thanks Mike, really good to hear. Its funny, I had been thinking about the different methods to get my boy to take pedialyte, cause he wont drink it. I finally worked out a method to get him to take small sips. :D Where there is a will.....there is a way.

Went home for dinner and my boys fever has subsided but still trying to shake that stomach virus. :( At least he is taking fluids, so I am just hoping its over soon.

Take care my friend and wish you the best with your beauty's!

Eddie

scottthomas

11-24-2009, 11:08 AM

Hope your son feels better reallly soon! Oh and I think your fry are going to make it this timme.

Eddie

11-24-2009, 07:11 PM

Hope your son feels better reallly soon! Oh and I think your fry are going to make it this timme.

Thanks Scott, me too! They are happy as some hippos in their little 10 gallon. :D

Take care,

Eddie

Eddie

11-25-2009, 05:59 AM

11 days old today, no losses. ;)

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/11%20days%20old/IMG_3829.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/11%20days%20old/IMG_3830.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/11%20days%20old/IMG_3837.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/11%20days%20old/IMG_3838.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/11%20days%20old/IMG_3839.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/11%20days%20old/IMG_3842.jpg

Scribbles

11-25-2009, 06:44 AM

Your little ones are looking great! They look like they are eating well. I hope that your son feels better soon. Can you freeze Pedialyte into a popcycle to get it down him?

Chris

Eddie

11-25-2009, 07:14 AM

Your little ones are looking great! They look like they are eating well. I hope that your son feels better soon. Can you freeze Pedialyte into a popcycle to get it down him?

Chris

Thanks Chris, baby boy is doing better. I think he is on the rebound, eating and drinking and fever has subsided. There isnt a whole lot that worries me but my son does.....especially! ;)

Take care,

Eddie

Cooldadddyfunk286

11-25-2009, 05:06 PM

Dang Eddie! lookin GREAT! it had been a few days since I checked this one. very very cool...looks like u got a BUNCH from this spawn. I got my fingers crossed for u bro! I wanna see some winners with a big FAT 5th bar ;):D:D

how many do u have now?!

thanks Eddie, take care.

hedut

11-25-2009, 06:21 PM

Wow looking good Eddie :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Eddie

11-25-2009, 08:45 PM

Thanks Jason & Hendri, I think around 75 or so, never really counted....LOL.

Take care!

Eddie

Eddie

11-25-2009, 10:48 PM

Golden bellies, first shot is of the Alpha males. :D

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/12%20days%20old/IMG_3858.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/12%20days%20old/IMG_3855.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/12%20days%20old/IMG_3857.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/12%20days%20old/IMG_3865.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/Heckel%20X/Round%205/12%20days%20old/IMG_3866.jpg

Cooldadddyfunk286

11-29-2009, 06:54 PM

Eddie

11-29-2009, 07:22 PM

KILLER shots Eddie. you have no idea how happy I am for you, and how excited I am to see this cross grow out. MAN I hope you get some fat 5th bar heckel looking ones. might have to put me down for 1 or 2! ;);)

cant wait to see updated pics!

take care Eddie.

Oh buddy, look for an update soon! They are 2 weeks old, eating finely ground pork heart and Angel Plus fry food. They should start blowing up! :D

Take care,

Eddie

Eddie

12-01-2009, 07:36 PM

Just over 2 weeks old, and have been eating ground pork heart for the past 3-4 days. They are a little behind in growth for 2 weeks but they are gonna catch up fast. :D

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/th_HeckelFry.jpg (http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/?action=view&current=HeckelFry.flv)

Scribbles

12-02-2009, 06:00 AM

They sure are active little buggers and sooo cute. They'll be whoppers in no time with your mix.

Chris

Eddie

12-02-2009, 06:08 AM

They sure are active little buggers and sooo cute. They'll be whoppers in no time with your mix.

Chris

LOL, yeah, they are doing especially well now that they are eating pig heart. Serious noticeable growth every day!

Eddie

Cooldadddyfunk286

12-02-2009, 10:35 AM

mirmar

12-02-2009, 01:42 PM

Thanks for sharing : looks great!!!
Keep up the good work, and i will follow this thread....waiting for more awesome pics of the development :thumbsup:

scottthomas

12-02-2009, 07:07 PM

They look great, not behind in growth to me. There are a few small ones but that usually happens so far IME with every spawn Ive had so far. I have some fry the same age looks very similar in size. Keep up the good work.

Eddie

12-02-2009, 07:45 PM

Eddie! they look awesome! man, you must have a nice camera, ur videos are always super crisp. what kind of camera do you shoot the video with? good stuff my friend! cant wait to see these guys in a few more weeks when they start to take the Discus shape! ;)

take care bro.

Dude, listen to this.....I use the same cheap A$$ Canon A480 to shoot video as I do for pictures. $100 man, no JOKE!! Thanks

Thanks for sharing : looks great!!!
Keep up the good work, and i will follow this thread....waiting for more awesome pics of the development :thumbsup:

Thanks alot! These guys are really loving pork heart!

They look great, not behind in growth to me. There are a few small ones but that usually happens so far IME with every spawn Ive had so far. I have some fry the same age looks very similar in size. Keep up the good work.

Thanks Scott, actually their growth has really evened out if you can believe it. Once I started them on pork heart, they all started filling out ALOT. There are a few, 1-2 very small buggers but as you say, its expected. I am really excited about this batch. CANT WAIT to have them get past a month or so. Keeping my fingers crossed. Trust me man, the next update....you are gonna be bewildered with their size!

Take care folks!

Eddie

2075turner

12-02-2009, 07:58 PM

scottthomas

12-02-2009, 08:04 PM

Can you explain your feeding regimine? I tried my first batch from the carnation turk/blue knight cross pair with no bbs and used crushed Prime Reef like you. I began to have problems that I suspected were gill flukes. I lost a few fry everyday and tried several teatments. No luck. Finally , I realized that my thermometer was registering 85 degrees but water was acutally only 79-80. I guess even the old fashioned glass aquarium thermometers can be unreliable sometimes. Anyway, after fixing the heat problem there were no more deaths but many of the fry were way behind on growth and many have only one pectoral fin. I believe this is due to stress fro cold and medications rather that a birth defect as the secong batch of fry are growing fast and devoloping nicely.(look like yours) I started the second hatch from this pair on bbs and after 3 days switched to fbs and crushed flake foods. They were born on 11-21.

Eddie

12-02-2009, 08:27 PM

Hey Eddie

Glad to see that your son is feeling better:)...I know how it feels to have your little one feeling ill.:( Your fry are looking great and your photos...I wish I could take some like that:) Please keep us updated on their progress:)

Cheers, Evelyn:)

Thanks Evelyn! Having my boy in tip top shape, gives me much more time to for the fishes. Believe it or not, its all in the camera. :o Its a just a point and shoot, $100 camera, no tricks at all.....just point and shoot. :D

Can you explain your feeding regimine? I tried my first batch from the carnation turk/blue knight cross pair with no bbs and used crushed Prime Reef like you. I began to have problems that I suspected were gill flukes. I lost a few fry everyday and tried several teatments. No luck. Finally , I realized that my thermometer was registering 85 degrees but water was acutally only 79-80. I guess even the old fashioned glass aquarium thermometers can be unreliable sometimes. Anyway, after fixing the heat problem there were no more deaths but many of the fry were way behind on growth and many have only one pectoral fin. I believe this is due to stress fro cold and medications rather that a birth defect as the secong batch of fry are growing fast and devoloping nicely.(look like yours) I started the second hatch from this pair on bbs and after 3 days switched to fbs and crushed flake foods. They were born on 11-21.

Well Scott, I'll tell you what I did regardless of getting my head shot off by the experts. :o

Day 7 - Pulled from Dad and moved them to their own tank
Days 8-14 - I was really worried about overfeeding so I mistakenly underfed them, maybe 3-4 times a day with Frozen BBS and once a day with Angel Plus fry food. I'd do daily 95% water changes with full tank wipe downs right before. Rinsing the sponge filter every day. I kept the tank temp at 88F the entire time. I had 1 drop of Formalin 3 and 2 drops of Malachite Green for every gallon. I'd add this back with every water change. I actually started doing 2 times a day 95% WCs.
Days 15-18 - Started feeding pork heart, nothing else. The pork heart is not supplemented with anything, just pure heart and it is SUPER processed using a hand mixer. I am keeping 2 drops of Malachite green per gallon but not using Formalin any longer. Still doing twice daily 95% water changes. Tank temp is at 88F constantly.

This has been working for me so far so....now that I said it, there is a big target on my forehead for the experts. :D Shoot away! LOL

I probably lost 5-6 through the whole process but only the super tiny ones, not one large fry. They are approaching the end of the 3rd week and then we'll see what the 4th week has in store. :o

Take care,

Eddie

scottthomas

12-02-2009, 08:29 PM

I dont see anything wrong with your plan but then again I'm no expert. In your opinion is 88 degrees an optimal temp for fry? I have mine at 86 right now.

Eddie

12-02-2009, 08:39 PM

I dont see anything wrong with your plan but then again I'm no expert. In your opinion is 88 degrees an optimal temp for fry? I have mine at 86 right now.

I wouldnt even be able to begin to say that its optimal. Most of this was taken from Success with Discus by Jim Quarles, he recommends 89F. Its tricky because the water can turn bad fast so thats why I increased to 2 water changes daily.

Getting the fish on animal heart early was taken from Andrew Soh's first book.

So far so good...:D

HTH,

Eddie

MSD

12-02-2009, 08:47 PM

It'll be a cold day in hell when I cut up pig hearts, my wife would feed me to fish.....

Eddie

12-02-2009, 09:07 PM

It'll be a cold day in hell when I cut up pig hearts, my wife would feed me to fish.....

Well, you could just lie and say they are deer hearts or something. She'd never be able to tell unless you slaughtered the pig in your backyard. LOL :D

Eddie

Tito

12-02-2009, 09:46 PM

Well, you could just lie and say they are deer hearts or something. She'd never be able to tell unless you slaughtered the pig in your backyard. LOL :D

Eddie

Great thread Eddie. Glad to see you raising wigglers.

Yea - I know what this guy means about the pig heart. I mean I'm all for breeding - in fact I have my pair in a breeder right now - but I'm not going to go through all the food preparation stuff. I'll give it a try with normal stuff and see how fry grow out. A little depressing for me since I'm soo not into this special feeding stuff. Maybe I'll send my wigglers to the Amazon and have somene catch my fry when they are grown. LOL

Nice thread Ed! Thanks for sharing.

Eddie

12-02-2009, 09:54 PM

Great thread Eddie. Glad to see you raising wigglers.

Yea - I know what this guy means about the pig heart. I mean I'm all for breeding - in fact I have my pair in a breeder right now - but I'm not going to go through all the food preparation stuff. I'll give it a try with normal stuff and see how fry grow out. A little depressing for me since I'm soo not into this special feeding stuff. Maybe I'll send my wigglers to the Amazon and have somene catch my fry when they are grown. LOL

Nice thread Ed! Thanks for sharing.

Thanks Tito....really appreciate it. Honestly man, you wouldn't even find it difficult to blend out some heart. Get it from the butcher cubed or cleaned, throw it in a hand mixer, exactly like this one.

http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-Blender-Chopper-Attachments-HB-154PC/dp/B000GHF3V8/ref=sr_1_20/182-4764658-2166010?ie=UTF8&s=kitchen&qid=1259805167&sr=1-20

Blend it up very smooth and throw it in a plastic bag, then to the freezer. Then just break of little bits and feed to the fry.....easy as pie!

Eddie

Eddie

12-02-2009, 10:02 PM

Here you go Scott, only after several days of using heart. Insane growth on these fat pups. Cant get them to sit still! LOL

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/3%20Dec/IMG_4155.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/3%20Dec/IMG_4161.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/3%20Dec/IMG_4165.jpg

Tito

12-02-2009, 10:16 PM

They say a picture is worth a thousand words! Eddie - awesome dude! They are getting FAT!

I believe it's true - meat makes these fish grow! I'll look into how to get beefheart around my area - then I'll be asking you what to do with it! LOL

Nice bro.

Eddie

12-02-2009, 10:17 PM

hedut

12-02-2009, 10:18 PM

Nice :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: , did you mix them with albino fry?

Eddie

12-02-2009, 10:20 PM

Nice :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: , did you mix them with albino fry?

LOL, thanks Hendri. No, didnt mix them. The Albino fry are on their own. The Albinos are SUPER runty! LOL These Heckel Cross fry are catching them easy!

Eddie

scottthomas

12-02-2009, 11:07 PM

wow they are so fat it looks like they will explode!. I started mine on beefheart today so well see if mine look like that in 6 more days. I hope so.

Eddie

12-02-2009, 11:15 PM

wow they are so fat it looks like they will explode!. I started mine on beefheart today so well see if mine look like that in 6 more days. I hope so.

LOL, they do. I dont put too much in the tank so.....hopefully they wont! :o

Take care and all the best!

Eddie

Scribbles

12-02-2009, 11:16 PM

They look super Eddie! At this rate you're going to be up to your eyeballs in discus. LOL

Chris

Eddie

12-02-2009, 11:17 PM

They look super Eddie! At this rate you're going to be up to your eyeballs in discus. LOL

Chris

HOPE SO!!! Thanks Chris!

Take care,

Eddie

Eddie

12-03-2009, 08:57 PM

Fat bellied monsters, 19 days old.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/19%20days%20old/IMG_4223.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/19%20days%20old/IMG_4224.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/19%20days%20old/IMG_4254.jpg

MSD

12-03-2009, 09:03 PM

First pic is a real winner, compare it in 10 months to the ones you keep.

MSD

12-03-2009, 09:03 PM

Look like glass fish more then discus at this stage.

Eddie

12-03-2009, 09:24 PM

First pic is a real winner, compare it in 10 months to the ones you keep.

Look like glass fish more then discus at this stage.

Hoping to Mark, just gotta keep them growing! They do look like glass fish, LOL.

Take care my friend!

Eddie

Scribbles

12-03-2009, 11:54 PM

LOL. Their bellies are so round they look like they could explode. I guess that they like the mix. Great pics glad to see them doing well.

Chris

Eddie

12-04-2009, 12:50 AM

LOL. Their bellies are so round they look like they could explode. I guess that they like the mix. Great pics glad to see them doing well.

Chris

:D, its just plain ol heart....nothing else!

Take care Chris,

Eddie

keef

12-04-2009, 07:24 AM

Wow Eddie 'fat' doesnt even cover it! They look like those little animals shrek blew up into balloons. Awesome work fella, if anyone's gonna grow 'em into dinner plates its you.

Eddie

12-04-2009, 08:26 AM

Wow Eddie 'fat' doesnt even cover it! They look like those little animals shrek blew up into balloons. Awesome work fella, if anyone's gonna grow 'em into dinner plates its you.

Thanks Keith, I really appreciate it. These little fatties are doing fantastic!

Take care and all the best,

Eddie

brewmaster15

12-04-2009, 08:45 AM

Hi Eddie,
Glad to see the progress here on your fry.!:)

Days 8-14 - I was really worried about overfeeding so I mistakenly underfed them, maybe 3-4 times a day with Frozen BBS and once a day with Angel Plus fry food. I'd do daily 95% water changes with full tank wipe downs right before. Rinsing the sponge filter every day. I kept the tank temp at 88F the entire time. I had 1 drop of Formalin 3 and 2 drops of Malachite Green for every gallon. I'd add this back with every water change. I actually started doing 2 times a day 95% WCs.
Days 15-18 - Started feeding pork heart, nothing else. The pork heart is not supplemented with anything, just pure heart and it is SUPER processed using a hand mixer. I am keeping 2 drops of Malachite green per gallon but not using Formalin any longer. Still doing twice daily 95% water changes. Tank temp is at 88F constantly.

This has been working for me so far so....now that I said it, there is a big target on my forehead for the experts. :D Shoot away! LOL

Is there a reason why you are using formalin and malachite green though? I really would not recommend using those chemicals unless you are dealing with an issue...Did I miss something? Im not commenting on this because theres a mark on your head:) but because I think its un-necessary and would hate to see others think it was necessary or somehow beneficial ...Those are caustic and dangerous chemicals... you may be setting yourself up for problems down the road.

Healthy fry should only need clean water My friend. Be careful using chemicals unnecessarily.:)

best of luck,
al

Eddie

12-04-2009, 09:08 AM

Hi Eddie,
Glad to see the progress here on your fry.!:)

Is there a reason why you are using formalin and malachite green though? I really would not recommend using those chemicals unless you are dealing with an issue...Did I miss something? Im not commenting on this because theres a mark on your head:) but because I think its un-necessary and would hate to see others think it was necessary or somehow beneficial ...Those are caustic and dangerous chemicals... you may be setting yourself up for problems down the road.

Healthy fry should only need clean water My friend. Be careful using chemicals unnecessarily.:)

best of luck,
al

Definitely Al, I wanted to basically follow a set of rules that have been successful in raising fry. The Formalin and Malachite Green is taken directly from Success with Discus by Jim Quarles. ;)

It worked out in this case but I'd surely be up for a batch without it. :o

Thanks,

Eddie

brewmaster15

12-04-2009, 10:07 AM

Lol... well then I guess I'll take that one up with Jimbo when I see him after my time here is done.:)

-al

Eddie

12-04-2009, 10:20 AM

Lol... well then I guess I'll take that one up with Jimbo when I see him after my time here is done.:)

-al

Sorry Al, I definitely didnt want to give any bad advice, its just in the book. :o Its page 39 paragraph 3, taken word for word from the book.

At this point I add two drops of malachite green to the gallon of water. I replace it when I make water changes. This helps keep parasites, such as ich and other pests, from attacking the fry. I retain this in the water until the fry are about 1 1/2 inches in size and are moved to larger quarters.

When I lost my last group of Albinos, I was stumped. I know we talked about overfeeding but that wasn't it. I was being super diligent and still, the fish would zip and die. Now, I haven't had a single death in this manner. Could be just a fluke......or, them not having any. :o

blkrob

12-05-2009, 08:56 PM

Love watching the progress! How long until another video? Thanks for sharing.

Robert

Eddie

12-05-2009, 09:46 PM

Love watching the progress! How long until another video? Thanks for sharing.

Robert

Thanks Rob......feeding time.

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=75630

Take care my friend,

Eddie

Eddie

12-07-2009, 12:29 AM

22 days old, so start of the 4th week. I really dont foresee any problems arising. They've been killing pork heart all day, every day for the last week. I'll be moving them to a 50 gallon next weekend.

Looks like a got quite a few snakeskin and some 9 bar. The largest fish of the brood are the snakes.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/22%20days/IMG_4504.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/22%20days/IMG_4506.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/22%20days/IMG_4517.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/22%20days/IMG_4520.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/22%20days/IMG_4523.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/22%20days/IMG_4530.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/22%20days/IMG_4531.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/22%20days/IMG_4532.jpg
http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/22%20days/IMG_4536.jpg

rickztahone

12-07-2009, 12:40 AM

that is so cool and at the same time trippy just because as fry they look nothing like they will look as adults, lol. great job so far buddy

Eddie

12-07-2009, 04:06 AM

that is so cool and at the same time trippy just because as fry they look nothing like they will look as adults, lol. great job so far buddy

Thanks Bro! It is really cool, watching them develop.

Take care,

Eddie

Eddie

12-09-2009, 09:48 AM

24 days, halfway through week 4, no hick-ups....let me knock on wood. They went into the 50 gallon today. The litte ones are growing at a better rate now that they've all been eating pork heart as their staple diet.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/24/24daysHF.jpg

Cooldadddyfunk286

12-09-2009, 07:20 PM

oh man, lookin good Eddie!! I like how you can tell the 9 or 14 bar this early in the game. didnt realize they show the bars so soon. keep up the great work, I cant wait till they start to color/pattern up! :D

take care my friend.

Eddie

12-09-2009, 07:29 PM

Scribbles

12-09-2009, 11:40 PM

Looking good! They are starting to resemble discus now.

Chris

Eddie

12-10-2009, 12:00 AM

Looking good! They are starting to resemble discus now.

Chris

LOL, thanks Chris...they look like mini piranhas!

Take care,

Eddie

Eddie

12-13-2009, 08:37 AM

Ed13

12-13-2009, 12:39 PM

28 days old, end of week 4. Got them eating pure porkheart and also started giving them my more complete homemade mix, just finely processed. They seem to enjoy it. :D

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/28%20days/th_HeckelCross28Days-1.jpg (http://s584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/28%20days/?action=view&current=HeckelCross28Days-1.flv)

Eddie I rarely open videos hosted on photobucket because for some reasons it feezes up my computer after it plays:mad::mad:, but even judging by the still pic from the video they look like they are doing great.

Can anyone else see the faint heckel bar or is it just me?! lol

ChloroPhil

12-13-2009, 05:21 PM

What I really want to know is are you bringing any of these with you to NADA?

Eddie

12-13-2009, 07:04 PM

Eddie I rarely open videos hosted on photobucket because for some reasons it feezes up my computer after it plays:mad::mad:, but even judging by the still pic from the video they look like they are doing great.

Can anyone else see the faint heckel bar or is it just me?! lol

LOL, yeah man, I know what you mean. I used to have the same problem. I usually open the video in another window and it doesnt lock up.

Here is a still shot, 14 bar on top and 9 bar on the bottom. ;)

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss289/extremeist/fry/Heckel%20Cross/28%20days/IMG_4826.jpg

What I really want to know is are you bringing any of these with you to NADA?

LOL, I wish I could Phil, I wish I could.

Take care fellas.

Eddie