Discus master
08-20-2010, 10:51 AM
Ok most of you know when I post a question I end up with a short ook and a ton of questions. Taking that into consideration I am going to try and paraphrase this and make it short as possible.
Going to the same breeder I bought my 6 discus for my 55 gallon tank about 3 months ago and they were roughly 2 - 2.5 inches and now all but two of them are around the 4.5 inch range I would say.
One is a stunted runt that is definately at the bottom of the pecking order and there is one rite above him (s far as I can tell) in the order who was growing really well and now seems to be slowing down to the point where I could almost call him runt number two, not stunted but turning out to be a runt.
So I made an appointment with my breeder to go down for my birthday which is in Oct but wife is leeting me go next month sometime intead to buy two sub-adults around the same size of the 4 that have grown out very nicely (the snake skin has to do some catching up) but he was the smallest at one point and now is growing very well one of the more dominant ones in the tank and in fact when I feed them by hand he is the first to gobble up the food he was younger than all of them from the start so he still eats very vivasiously or whatever.
So would it be ok to do this and replace the runt/stunted fish now? would they all be big enough at that point I would not have to worry about one of the other ones turning out to be the runt? or should I leave the runt in there just to be sure he stays at the bottom and so that someone else does not take his place?
Finaly what do I do with the sunted one and the runt I have a 55 gallon so the most I like to keep in there is 6 even though the seventh one would be a small one I have no other fish in the tank except for two loaches and a cory cat.
I have a cmmunity tank 30 gallon I keep at 82f dont ask me why just always have and the fish are fine with it I have had them for about 9 months now at that temp culd I put the stunted and the runt in there? what should I do guys?
Bottom line is I want 6 nice big discus, have no way to grow juvi out rite now and I have a pool filter sand substrate of about 1/4 inch deep some driftwood java fern java moss and some hornwort with up right branches that looks like a root system of sorts, trust me still plenty of room for them to swinm plenty of room just eye balling it I think I could have 7 in there seeing how the one seems to have stoped growing and the other is stunted I hate to cull them and I would rather put the two in the community tank if it would n=have no ill efect on their health and if it would be a better option than killing them? if there going to suffer in the community tank I would rather "get rid" of them if you know what I mean?
so when can I go to two or just three feedings a day since the bigger ones have slowed down since they were small juvis they ate like you would not believe but they are slowing down they forage slower and they do eat its just not like it was the snake skin still is hitting it hard for now I am sure he will slow down to and savor his food the other fish are actually tasting their food for the first time instead of just swolling it is this normal? when does this usaly happen? do my fish seem to be on track or could somethng else be going on here??
Lastly and I mean it this time lol my wife has came out of the blue and told me if i am still into discus (and I hope and intend to be) in 3 years she wants me to get rid of the 30 gallon the 14 gallon and the 55 gallon and she said I could just get an 100 gallon or maybe a little bigger if I push for it and then thats it she said dosent want to hear any more about fish and fish tanks so thats good news I never thought she would go for it but for her to come out and say it she must be in a good mood or see how happy it makes me keeps me home and out of trouble or she building up to ask for something her self or its a guilt gift, lol seriously I had plenty of sleepless night for getting the 55 gallon becuase I could not wait and so forth dude I got the 55 with stand a ton of extras on C list for 55$ so she culd not b***h to much. I am trying to find out away to get her to let me keep the 55 or 30 though what if I end up with a breeding pair it be choas in the 100+ gallon? or what if I need a hosp tank or qt tank you definatley need one of those so I should keep the 55 for a breeder and the 30 for a hosp tank sje said no fing way you can keep the 14 gallon for a hosp tank I said what I may be able to put one discus inti for treatment but that be abut it I need to keep at least the 30 gallon rite guys? maye I can store the 55 at my parents see she dont care about the tank and the little bit of money I could make by selling it she just doesnt want a house full of fish tanks I can understand that but you need a hosp/qt tank and maybe even a breeding tank or heck I could have made a wet dry trickel out of the 30 or 55. but thats down the line just wnated to share this with you guys and this would be a dream tank 100+ gallons and she said it has to be brand new she wants the works canopy stand the whole nine I said I am going to have to buy new lighting more heating more filtration my cascade is rated for a 100 gallon but still that would not be enough I would still want a second filtration device and I think if it is a 100 gallon I would keep 8 adults in it if I have 6 now hopfully soon I can buy two more this way theres room for drift wood some low light plants and like a dozen or so rummy noses or something but still I will always want bigger and bigger and she said all this is fine with her she wants it to look very very nice if its to be a living room pice you know? so thats why she says its cool the tank I have now is old the stand is in good shape hard real wood and so forth no canopy but its all old and worn she wants me to get somthing pretty for her to look like if its my one and only tank I say I would want maybe even a 125 or 150?? hat you guys think espcially the top half the bottom half was more thinking out loud so to speak but please feel free to coment on it if you want to lol lol Im not going to be able to sleep now for the next 3 years why tell me now if I gotta wait that long??? I can wear her down though I will have it in the next year mark my words I will kiss her a** spoil her more than usuall and be xtra xtra nice help with laundry and so frth get as many brownee points as I can
Oh as always thank you thank you in advance for all your help and advice and keep it comming plz thaanks guys for reall.
Going to the same breeder I bought my 6 discus for my 55 gallon tank about 3 months ago and they were roughly 2 - 2.5 inches and now all but two of them are around the 4.5 inch range I would say.
One is a stunted runt that is definately at the bottom of the pecking order and there is one rite above him (s far as I can tell) in the order who was growing really well and now seems to be slowing down to the point where I could almost call him runt number two, not stunted but turning out to be a runt.
So I made an appointment with my breeder to go down for my birthday which is in Oct but wife is leeting me go next month sometime intead to buy two sub-adults around the same size of the 4 that have grown out very nicely (the snake skin has to do some catching up) but he was the smallest at one point and now is growing very well one of the more dominant ones in the tank and in fact when I feed them by hand he is the first to gobble up the food he was younger than all of them from the start so he still eats very vivasiously or whatever.
So would it be ok to do this and replace the runt/stunted fish now? would they all be big enough at that point I would not have to worry about one of the other ones turning out to be the runt? or should I leave the runt in there just to be sure he stays at the bottom and so that someone else does not take his place?
Finaly what do I do with the sunted one and the runt I have a 55 gallon so the most I like to keep in there is 6 even though the seventh one would be a small one I have no other fish in the tank except for two loaches and a cory cat.
I have a cmmunity tank 30 gallon I keep at 82f dont ask me why just always have and the fish are fine with it I have had them for about 9 months now at that temp culd I put the stunted and the runt in there? what should I do guys?
Bottom line is I want 6 nice big discus, have no way to grow juvi out rite now and I have a pool filter sand substrate of about 1/4 inch deep some driftwood java fern java moss and some hornwort with up right branches that looks like a root system of sorts, trust me still plenty of room for them to swinm plenty of room just eye balling it I think I could have 7 in there seeing how the one seems to have stoped growing and the other is stunted I hate to cull them and I would rather put the two in the community tank if it would n=have no ill efect on their health and if it would be a better option than killing them? if there going to suffer in the community tank I would rather "get rid" of them if you know what I mean?
so when can I go to two or just three feedings a day since the bigger ones have slowed down since they were small juvis they ate like you would not believe but they are slowing down they forage slower and they do eat its just not like it was the snake skin still is hitting it hard for now I am sure he will slow down to and savor his food the other fish are actually tasting their food for the first time instead of just swolling it is this normal? when does this usaly happen? do my fish seem to be on track or could somethng else be going on here??
Lastly and I mean it this time lol my wife has came out of the blue and told me if i am still into discus (and I hope and intend to be) in 3 years she wants me to get rid of the 30 gallon the 14 gallon and the 55 gallon and she said I could just get an 100 gallon or maybe a little bigger if I push for it and then thats it she said dosent want to hear any more about fish and fish tanks so thats good news I never thought she would go for it but for her to come out and say it she must be in a good mood or see how happy it makes me keeps me home and out of trouble or she building up to ask for something her self or its a guilt gift, lol seriously I had plenty of sleepless night for getting the 55 gallon becuase I could not wait and so forth dude I got the 55 with stand a ton of extras on C list for 55$ so she culd not b***h to much. I am trying to find out away to get her to let me keep the 55 or 30 though what if I end up with a breeding pair it be choas in the 100+ gallon? or what if I need a hosp tank or qt tank you definatley need one of those so I should keep the 55 for a breeder and the 30 for a hosp tank sje said no fing way you can keep the 14 gallon for a hosp tank I said what I may be able to put one discus inti for treatment but that be abut it I need to keep at least the 30 gallon rite guys? maye I can store the 55 at my parents see she dont care about the tank and the little bit of money I could make by selling it she just doesnt want a house full of fish tanks I can understand that but you need a hosp/qt tank and maybe even a breeding tank or heck I could have made a wet dry trickel out of the 30 or 55. but thats down the line just wnated to share this with you guys and this would be a dream tank 100+ gallons and she said it has to be brand new she wants the works canopy stand the whole nine I said I am going to have to buy new lighting more heating more filtration my cascade is rated for a 100 gallon but still that would not be enough I would still want a second filtration device and I think if it is a 100 gallon I would keep 8 adults in it if I have 6 now hopfully soon I can buy two more this way theres room for drift wood some low light plants and like a dozen or so rummy noses or something but still I will always want bigger and bigger and she said all this is fine with her she wants it to look very very nice if its to be a living room pice you know? so thats why she says its cool the tank I have now is old the stand is in good shape hard real wood and so forth no canopy but its all old and worn she wants me to get somthing pretty for her to look like if its my one and only tank I say I would want maybe even a 125 or 150?? hat you guys think espcially the top half the bottom half was more thinking out loud so to speak but please feel free to coment on it if you want to lol lol Im not going to be able to sleep now for the next 3 years why tell me now if I gotta wait that long??? I can wear her down though I will have it in the next year mark my words I will kiss her a** spoil her more than usuall and be xtra xtra nice help with laundry and so frth get as many brownee points as I can
Oh as always thank you thank you in advance for all your help and advice and keep it comming plz thaanks guys for reall.