Actual Tefe Spawning Event

[Second Hand Pat]

I was finally able to watch the Tefe's spawn. It has always happened while at work. I have two spawning video updating now but here is a pre-spawning clip from this morning. The male is different from the original male so here he is a first timer. I will post the other two videos once they have been fully uploaded.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmuaWlxqWTA&feature=youtu.be

[Keith Perkins]

Did you double post this video? I'm excited for you though.

[Second Hand Pat]

Did you double post this video? I'm excited for you though.

Thanks Keith, yes, posted it in the Tefe War thread first. Here is the second clip


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMuvadWwQaE&feature=youtu.be

[Second Hand Pat]

Third clip but second of the actual spawning.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQf1VchmuFs&feature=youtu.be

[ExReefer]

That's really cool! Spawning wild discus is rare around here.

[Second Hand Pat]

That's really cool! Spawning wild discus is rare around here.

Indeed and was quite happy to finally be able to see it :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Some family pictures. Sorry that these pictures are dark.

The family.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20Spawn/P1010081.jpg

Dad
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20Spawn/p1010071.jpg

Mom
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20Spawn/p1010074.jpg

Chasing away the riff raff :)
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20Spawn/p1010070.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

Pulled out the other camera and got a couple better pics of the pair.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20Spawn/New_Pair-1.jpg

Great picture of the male.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20Spawn/Dad-1.jpg

and the female who everyone knows.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20Spawn/Mom-1.jpg

[jbuck]

Pat, I love your Tefe!

Jon

[Second Hand Pat]

Me too Jon, I hope, hope, hope I can get some fry from this pairing.

[Chicago Discus]

Pat they Look Great I think I'm going to teach you how to ship and where going to start trading........Josie

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Josie, yea this latest pairing is dynamic and planning on learning to ship at some point.

[Second Hand Pat]

Turned on the light briefly to check the condition of the eggs. So far they look perfect.

[shoveltrash]

wow!!! :D
"spawning" refers to the actual 'egg laying' process, is that correct? then the male fertilizes?
(sorry if that's a stoopid question!)

what an exciting pairing - love the vids & photos :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Trish, that is correct. Not a stupid question at all :)

[plecocicho]

Congratulation Pat, new "friend " for your slut female is a real looker.

[Second Hand Pat]

Congratulation Pat, new "friend " for your slut female is a real looker.

I think he is too. He is working on this new daddy role. Definitely tell he is a first timer. I will drop food in the tank and mom will go to eat. Dad who is fanning the eggs will go to eat too. The female will notice him and go rushing back to the eggs in a big hurry. Would love to know what she is thinking at that precise moment.

The eggs are in perfect condition. Appears that the new dad covered them well. Only one white egg.

[plecocicho]

FOOD FOOD FOOD FOO..MY MAN...OOOO EGGS EGGS EGGS!

[Second Hand Pat]

FOOD FOOD FOOD FOO..MY MAN...OOOO EGGS EGGS EGGS!

Very likely that is exactly what she is thinking :grin:

So four white eggs this morning and all the rest of the eggs appear excellent. 48 hour mark this afternoon.

[Second Hand Pat]

The new male has proven himself. The pair were tending about 60 to 80 wigglers this morning.

[ockyra215]

Pat I have to say I havent been a fan of tefe greens but I your video has made me take a second look I want to get about 6 in the near future! Very inspiring! So I blame you lol!

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat I have to say I havent been a fan of tefe greens but I your video has made me take a second look I want to get about 6 in the near future! Very inspiring! So I blame you lol!

Hey Dave, these guys seem to be turning the heads of a lot of folks...even the heads of non-wild discus keepers. :D

[Second Hand Pat]

The wigglers are working on going free swimming but so far the parents are keeping them corralled up. The male is in the background and looking at where the wigglers are on the wood. They look like a fuzzy patch on the wood in this video. If you look close you can see a few trying to get away at the beginning of the video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBmwYGq-_Ew&feature=youtu.be

[magicmeik]

Hey Pat,
first of all, congrats for your success with your greens, my greens ones just spawned once in January, but beeing in a comunity tank without success.

Here is my Question: what happens with your female... Is there a hole above the left eye? In your last video and some of your last fotos it seems to grow. Have a look for that!
Maybee you should use some Mineral salt for your water?

With best regards from Germany

Markus

[Second Hand Pat]

Hi Markus, she has what appears as a puncture wound above her eye. It was somewhat deep and is healing from the inside out and appears shallower now and looks whitest in the video. Adding salt would help to promote healing and will later today. I am trying to avoid messing with the water parameters (raising TDS with salt) in the middle of attachment.

This time attachment may actually be successful. I am seeing alot more fry then with the three prior spawns.

[magicmeik]

I wish them and you all the best!!!

I would avoid messing with the parameters also,especialy in this stage of breedind, just mentioned it, cause i didn't notice these wound when i was reading your treads about your greens.

I hope all the best for attachment.

Markus

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Markus, she has have this wound about a week or so. Think she got into the middle of a male fight but just guessing on that. She and the male are insistence on catching the fry and placing them back up on to the wood. A few have attached or am trying to with the parents busy catching other fry. I will keep a close eye on the wound and treat as prudently possible after attachment.

[Second Hand Pat]

So left for a family dinner and had a couple of wigglers on each parent, come home tonight and find three wigglers, one on mom, one on dad and one in the sand bed. Feeling a bit jinxed here. Maybe time to setup the pair into a better controlled environment.

[jbuck]

Well that's a bumer. I like your idea to set up a controlled enviornment.

Jon

[Second Hand Pat]

Well that's a bumer. I like your idea to set up a controlled enviornment.

Jon

Jon, I am so bummed.

[Wildcaught dutchman]

;)Hi Pat.I really liked your beautiful vids of your nice discusfish.Nice the new mate does it perfectly.Hope that the wigglers become as beautiful as the parents.

[Second Hand Pat]

Hi Marc, Their second spawn is hatching at the moment. Their first spawn failed to attach. I am hopeful this second one will be successful. I am trying a few different things and will share if the fry attach.

[vera]

Dont give up sweets , cant wait to hear abt new things
gl :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Nat, you know me. I never give up. Good to see you here. Missed ya you know :D

[vera]

Miss ya too hun , now have more time :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Miss ya too hun , now have more time :)

Maybe more time to hang around here :)

[vera]

i hope ! next month my city is hosting football championship for Euro 2012 , that will be the busy time for all - probably a time to plan escape trip to Europe , while it will be over here lol

[Second Hand Pat]

i hope ! next month my city is hosting football championship for Euro 2012 , that will be the busy time for all - probably a time to plan escape trip to Europe , while it will be over here lol

Or the states :)

[vera]

or a moon , same distance lol
did they hatch yet ?:)

[Second Hand Pat]

Not quite as far as the moon :) ... Yes, all hatched, about 40 to 60 youngsters

[vera]

haha , same !!!
wat happened to that spawn that survived last month ?

[Second Hand Pat]

They are 13 weeks old now and the larger ones are just two inches.

[vera]

a bit slow for domestics , but i guess thats a good grow rate for wilds

[Second Hand Pat]

a bit slow for domestics , but i guess thats a good grow rate for wilds

Seems to be from what I have been told.

[Disgirl]

Good luck with this group Pat! Hope for more than 3 this time. Do you still have the 3?

Welcome back Natalia!! Will send you a pm later tonight.
Barb

[vera]

pictures would serve well la mia curiosita :)

[vera]

Hey Barb ! tnx , u have PM PP :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Good luck with this group Pat! Hope for more than 3 this time. Do you still have the 3?

Welcome back Natalia!! Will send you a pm later tonight.
Barb

Barb, are you referring to the first batch of fry? There are about 40 in the first batch which are 13 weeks old now.

[Second Hand Pat]

pictures would serve well la mia curiosita :)

Nat, I will post a video later tonight. Hubby is on the computer and the iPad does not allow me to upload the video from the phone.

[Second Hand Pat]

This is the second spawn of the Tefe female with the new male. The eggs hatched today and if you look at the wood where the female is looking she has stashed the wigglers there and you can see them wiggling along the end of the wood the second time I show her.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5covUhV0_u0&feature=youtu.be

[vera]

!! how cool!
Pat , im drooling over these green colors !

[Second Hand Pat]

!! how cool!
Pat , im drooling over these green colors !

They are a gorgeous pair Natalia and the male is about 7 inches.

[jbuck]

Jon, I am so bummed.

Have things gotten any better Pat???

Jon

[Second Hand Pat]

Have things gotten any better Pat???

Jon

Jon, we will see in the next day or two. The wigglers should go free swimming today or tomorrow.

[Second Hand Pat]

The wigglers are free swimming and there is some attachment to the parents. Both mom and dad are still rounding up wayward fry but they are moving slow :). The wound in mom's head is still there. I fear it could be HITH. :( Perhaps too much egg laying for my little girl.

[Second Hand Pat]

Some of the wigglers feed off the parents for a while. The parents have rounded the wigglers up and stuck them on the wood for the night. I seem to remember Nandi saying they would do that the first night or two. I do believe we have another batch so quite happy about that.

[shoveltrash]

'been following along
I do believe we have another batch so quite happy about that.very happy for you Pat! :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Aw thanks Trish.

[Second Hand Pat]

Definitely have attachment this morning. Hard to get a handle on the number of wigglers ATM but seems like I have my fry for the hobbyist challenge as there are at least 20 to 30. :grin:

[shoveltrash]

:D yay!!!
interesting that you posted on your other thread.......the cories were the problem in the past batches? huh! this has all been very educational for everyone, including you eh?

[Second Hand Pat]

:D yay!!!
interesting that you posted on your other thread.......the cories were the problem in the past batches? huh! this has all been very educational for everyone, including you eh?

Yup Trish, live and learn.

[jbuck]

This is a newb question but is HITH treatable?

Jon


The wigglers are free swimming and there is some attachment to the parents. Both mom and dad are still rounding up wayward fry but they are moving slow :). The wound in mom's head is still there. I fear it could be HITH. :( Perhaps too much egg laying for my little girl.

[Second Hand Pat]

This is a newb question but is HITH treatable?

Jon

Hey Jon, some say with metro also from what I have read many are not sure what causes it, maybe something missing in the diet. I could be wrong on what it is also. It does not seem to be getting worst.

[jbuck]

Hey Jon, some say with metro also from what I have read many are not sure what causes it, maybe something missing in the diet. I could be wrong on what it is also. It does not seem to be getting worst.

Hi Pat, That's interesting I'm glad to hear that it's not getting worse, I better make sure I'm feeding my fry from Larry correctly!!! I don't want to let him down :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Jon, always best to feed a complete and varied diet. I am not seeing this in any other fish so "guessing" all the egg laying could be a factor.