Wild Tefe F1 Juvies "Batch A"

[Second Hand Pat]

These Tefe F1 juvies are from the first successful spawn in the "Wild Tefe Spawn" thread. I consider these juvies to be Batch A as there is a another successful spawn where the wigglers are nine days old.

This spawn is about 40 strong and a couple of days ago I split out the larger ones from the smaller ones to give the smaller ones less food competition. The following pictures are the larger ones and there is some interesting color developing on these guys.

Group shots.
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Single shots. The last picture shows some fin coloration forming.
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[fredfry]

They look great Pat.
Just out of curiosity are they bigger than silver dollars? Are they 3"? I can't tell from the pics.
Fred

[Second Hand Pat]

They look great Pat.
Just out of curiosity are they bigger than silver dollars? Are they 3"? I can't tell from the pics.
Fred

Thanks Fred, these are the larger of the fry and I know they are over 2 inches. I will put a point of reference up for the next set of pictures.

[Second Hand Pat]

There is one fry in this video who is going to have some crazy color as it matures. Right at 53 second in look in the finnage below/above the tail. Those little markings are red.


http://youtu.be/tpi8Gv6Bofk

[hedut]

wow, nice shape N good luck for them

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Henry, they are shaping up into some very nice fry :grin: I am quite happy with them.

[Tommo]

Looking nice and round now Pat with fins erect and 'clean' bodies. I think you'll also be surprised how quickly the smaller siblings will catch up . . . A huge difference from a couple of weeks ago.

Paul

[Second Hand Pat]

Looking nice and round now Pat with fins erect and 'clean' bodies. I think you'll also be surprised how quickly the smaller siblings will catch up . . . A huge difference from a couple of weeks ago.

Paul

Yes Paul and what a help you have been. The smaller siblings look great too. Good to see you around. :)

[Tommo]

Yes Paul and what a help you have been. The smaller siblings look great too. Good to see you around. :)

Pleased that I could help. Back to the UK for a 3 week holiday from 1 June - can't wait to have some decent food and real beer :D. I'll also be able to look at your (and others) videos then.

[Trevor W]

Wow great job Pat those look great! My hat is off to you sir. Now send some up to Canada lol I have been looking for quality domestic bred wild juvies for a long time! Keep us updated on there development, I think your going to have some real stunners from this group.

Take care,

Trevor

[Second Hand Pat]

Pleased that I could help. Back to the UK for a 3 week holiday from 1 June - can't wait to have some decent food and real beer :D. I'll also be able to look at your (and others) videos then.

Paul, when you are back "in town" holler at me and I will give you the link to my youtube account. That will keep you busy for an hour or so. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow great job Pat those look great! My hat is off to you sir. Now send some up to Canada lol I have been looking for quality domestic bred wild juvies for a long time! Keep us updated on there development, I think your going to have some real stunners from this group.

Take care,

Trevor

Wow and thanks Trevor, yours is the second request from "up north". No worries. I will be using this thread to track these F1s development. I believe you are correct that there will be some killer F1s from this group.

[Tommo]

Paul, when you are back "in town" holler at me and I will give you the link to my youtube account. That will keep you busy for an hour or so. :)

I'll do that Pat - if I can escape from endless family visits and stay out of the pub :)

[Eddie]

Great looking pups Pat!

[Second Hand Pat]

I'll do that Pat - if I can escape from endless family visits and stay out of the pub :)

Do believe I see some heavy, social drinking in your near future, If I don't hear back I will know what happened :D

[Second Hand Pat]

Great looking pups Pat!

Thanks Eddie, I do believe that several of these guys will be better than their parents but time will tell.

[DiscusLoverJeff]

Great job Pat. You are the Queen!!!!

[Second Hand Pat]

Great job Pat. You are the Queen!!!!

Jeff, will you stop....silly and thanks. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

I moved three from the kiddie pool (smaller fry) to the juvie tank. The three I moved were all 2 and 1/4 inches (measured them). So either splitting the group is helping the smaller ones catch up (already?) or I am under estimating the size of the smaller fry.

[nc0gnet0]

I moved three from the kiddie pool (smaller fry) to the juvie tank. The three I moved were all 2 and 1/4 inches (measured them). So either splitting the group is helping the smaller ones catch up (already?) or I am under estimating the size of the smaller fry. I

I tend to do the same thing, then one day I put the growouts in with my adults and wholly Cr**, they are larger than the adults...lol.
One a side note, rather than move the largest and place them into a tank making them the smallest, I would move the smallest into another tank and make them the largest if possible. I like to keep my alpha's, well, alpha's!

Rick

[Second Hand Pat]

Rick, I sort of did as you suggest. I split the first spawn into two tanks. The smaller ones remained in the 40 and the larger ones went into a 75. Today I moved three of the larger fry in the 40 to the 75. The fry I moved are only slightly smaller then the fry already in the 75. When I eyeball the fry in the 75 I believe I can id the three added today.

[Trevor W]

Wow great job Pat those look great! My hat is off to you sir. Now send some up to Canada lol I have been looking for quality domestic bred wild juvies for a long time! Keep us updated on there development, I think your going to have some real stunners from this group.

Take care,

Trevor

I just realize now that I said "sir" when perhaps I should have said "Miss" :o Definately some embarassment and stupidity over here! I am sorry Pat I meant nothing by it. LOL

[Second Hand Pat]

I just realize now that I said "sir" when perhaps I should have said "Miss" :o Definately some embarassment and stupidity over here! I am sorry Pat I meant nothing by it. LOL

No worries Trevor, it happens all the time. These days I am just an old married lady but Pat will do :D

[Second Hand Pat]

The color development in some of these fry has me pretty excited, to the blue hue showing in the body to the color forming in the fins.

Group shots
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Single shots
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[Second Hand Pat]

These guys are getting rave reviews on FB.

[Darrell Ward]

I've been away for awhile. Looking good Pat!

[Second Hand Pat]

I've been away for awhile. Looking good Pat!

Thanks Darrell, you have been away. Still working long hours and moving? Some of these guys are coming up on three inches. :D

[Darrell Ward]

Still working 12 hours most days, but have been moved in for a while. Been mostly enjoying messing with some Angus cattle I got recently, ran new fence, etc. At this point, it'll probably be winter before I get the busted 240 gal. replaced. LOL! Fish are doing fine, so no rush. May just get another 150 gal. that matches one I already have. Twins! :D Those little guys of yours will REALLY look great by the end of the summer with much more color and size! Impressive.

[Second Hand Pat]

Darrell, how much property do you have with the new place? So you are raising your own beef now? I have considering getting three calf's for three months out of the year in order to claim ag status (to lower property taxes). Sell two of the calf's and put the last in the freezer but with the horses just not quite enough property.

BTW there is another spawn. Wigglers are 14 days today. Same female, different male so there is a "Batch B" :D and agree that these F1 show LOTS of promise :D

[Rummy]

Hi, Pat. I have not had time to keep up lately. Your babies are growing up so nicely. I am happy for you that things are working out well. And now with a second batch...

So the numbers of discus don't count toward ag status?? :p

[Second Hand Pat]

Hi, Pat. I have not had time to keep up lately. Your babies are growing up so nicely. I am happy for you that things are working out well. And now with a second batch...

So the numbers of discus don't count toward ag status?? :p

Thanks Anik, but soon I will be up to four fry tanks then things really get interesting ;) For ag status you have to produce food or fiber. I guess discus could be marketed as a pricey sushi :p

[TURQ64]

Have you looked into the prices they pay for fish destined for sushi in areas like Ventura,etc??....many more zero's than Discus prices......

[Second Hand Pat]

I haven't Gary but maybe a new market niche :p

[Darrell Ward]

Darrell, how much property do you have with the new place? So you are raising your own beef now? I have considering getting three calf's for three months out of the year in order to claim ag status (to lower property taxes). Sell two of the calf's and put the last in the freezer but with the horses just not quite enough property.

BTW there is another spawn. Wigglers are 14 days today. Same female, different male so there is a "Batch B" :D and agree that these F1 show LOTS of promise :D

I have about 3 acres in yard, and a little over 8 acres in pasture. There are 4 in the pasture right now. The grass is green and lush from the rains, and they really seem to be enjoying it. LOL! I haven't raised beef since I helped my dad as a kid, so I'm still kinda learning.

Cool! That female is a machine! I have some wild angels from Peru I got from John before the move that are growing well. Hope to get at least a pair from that group. :D

[Second Hand Pat]

Darrell, wilds keeper and gentleman farmer :D Yup, the female is a machine. Ten or eleven spawns between mid January and now. I hope she stops now. Have fun with the cows and hope those angels breed for you :)

[johnnathan]

Great Looking ..

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Second Hand Pat]

Great Looking ..

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Thanks John, I appreciate it :D

[Kingdom Come Discus]

They really look good Pat. Great Job. Perfect!!!!!

[Second Hand Pat]

They really look good Pat. Great Job. Perfect!!!!!

Thanks Kraig, I did not know that Tefe's were your favorite wild. Mine too.

[Second Hand Pat]

These are my larger F1 Tefe juvies where some are coming up on 3 inches.


http://youtu.be/Rp629wFCM5c

These are the runts left in the kiddie pool or the 40 breeder. A couple are nice and a couple have minor fin flaws.


http://youtu.be/7ZmZkXeyO0Q

[Discus-n00b]

Pat these look OUTSTANDING. Can't wait to see them as adults, you do plan on keeping some to grow up right??

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat these look OUTSTANDING. Can't wait to see them as adults, you do plan on keeping some to grow up right??

Oh yes Matt, I totally am. These little guys are showing lots of promise. I have a little breeding experiment planned which I will talk about after the show.

[Pardal]

Looking good Pat.:) Nice juvies can't wait to see how they color develop as their grow.

T.C
Julian.

[Second Hand Pat]

Looking good Pat.:) Nice juvies can't wait to see how they color develop as their grow.

T.C
Julian.

Thanks Julian and me too. Very excited to watch these guys mature.

[Second Hand Pat]

The color development is happening on these guys way faster then I was expecting...enjoy.

Group shots.
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Thick for their age
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Singles shots
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[Disgirl]

Well aren't those just as cute as can be! Well worth all the work eh? And the worry. Mighty good lookin.
Barb

[Second Hand Pat]

Well aren't those just as cute as can be! Well worth all the work eh? And the worry. Mighty good lookin.
Barb

Thanks Barb, they are worth every minute :D

[Second Hand Pat]

I pulled one of the larger ones today and still a bit under three inches. Look at the belly of this fish.

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[Second Hand Pat]

Tonights pictures of the F1 Tefe's

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These guys appear to have some spotting forming in the belly area. Quite excited if this is true.
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[jimg]

Coming along VERY nice Pat!!!!!

[Second Hand Pat]

Coming along VERY nice Pat!!!!!

Showing lots of promise Jim.

[Second Hand Pat]

So I woke up this morning about 4:00am :( and ended up on the computer and had a nice early morning chat with Nandi. Nandi is one of my wilds mentors and goes by NANDiscus here on simply. I followed his method in raising wilds in a large divided tank which he used with his wild Xingu's.

He is quite excited about the Batch A juvie pictures I posted on FB and he feels that I may end up with some nicely spotted fish from this batch. He also proposed raising some of the juvies outside allowing them to get some natural sunlight. Nandi suggested that natural sunlight promotes color development in the juvies.

I will admit to considering this idea in the past prior to have any discus and need to consider the issues and logistics before trying it.

[JenTN]

So I woke up this morning about 4:00am :( and ended up on the computer and had a nice early morning chat with Nandi. Nandi is one of my wilds mentors and goes by NANDiscus here on simply. I followed his method in raising wilds in a large divided tank which he used with his wild Xingu's.

He is quite excited about the Batch A juvie pictures I posted on FB and he feels that I may end up with some nicely spotted fish from this batch. He also proposed raising some of the juvies outside allowing them to get some natural sunlight. Nandi suggested that natural sunlight promotes color development in the juvies.

I will admit to considering this idea in the past prior to have any discus and need to consider the issues and logistics before trying it.

If you can get around birds and temperature swings, you're golden.

[Second Hand Pat]

If you can get around birds and temperature swings, you're golden.

It's the coons and frogs which are my primary worry critter wise. I would maintain the tank on the front porch. Definitely would need to determine if the temp swings are an issue and easy to test that.

[Wildcaught dutchman]

Juvies look really good.Like especially the bellys.Good work Pat!!!:D

[Second Hand Pat]

Juvies look really good.Like especially the bellys.Good work Pat!!!:D

Thanks Marc, I am quite excited about that to.

[Trier20]

Looking good Pat!

[Second Hand Pat]

Looking good Pat!

Thanks Brandon :D

[plecocicho]

If they can do it in english oceanic weather i am sure you will have no problems in the subtropic spring and summer.
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/content.php?sid=4868
On the plus side, you will have instant live food.

[Second Hand Pat]

If they can do it in english oceanic weather i am sure you will have no problems in the subtropic spring and summer.
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/content.php?sid=4868
On the plus side, you will have instant live food.

Thanks plecocicho, I will check that out.

[Second Hand Pat]

Three inches woot

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[Cameronv]

If you're looking to duplicate sunlight spectrum in your house to promote color and not put a tank outside, why not buy a HPS light?

[Second Hand Pat]

Look to be pricey lights taking a quick look at home depot? Actually placing the juvies outside has other advantages besides sunlight. A large pool for growing out, saving on the power bill etc. Very easy WCs. :D

And some possible cons with wildlife including frogs, coons etc. I am considering placing some test discus in the pool before adding the juvies.

[Cameronv]

Price range of 200ish depending on the watt you want. You can also use it for growing plants in tanks or just potted plants. A light just seems a bit easier than putting an entire tank outside and dealing with nature. Thats a high tech system to fight nature.

[Second Hand Pat]

Price range of 200ish depending on the watt you want. You can also use it for growing plants in tanks or just potted plants. A light just seems a bit easier than putting an entire tank outside and dealing with nature. Thats a high tech system to fight nature.

Thanks for the suggestion on the lights Cameronv. The outside tank would not be too high tech, a small above ground pool with a pump attached to a large foam block for bio and a screen to keep the fish in and the wildlife out. The weather is warm enough to keep the temp in the 80s.

[CrazyAngels]

Pat, you got some at 3", that is so darn awesome.. Congrats my dear..

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat, you got some at 3", that is so darn awesome.. Congrats my dear..

Thanks Jorge and I do :) Quite happy about that considering folks (Darrell :p) were originally betting that I wouldn't get pass the four week mark and here I am at the four month mark.

How is your breeding efforts coming?

[Second Hand Pat]

I just saw some pictures over on BIDKA of some young wild greens from the Rio Nanay which are transplanted Tefes. These guys were about an inch larger then mine but forming the same coloration in the areas of the fins and spots in the belly area similar to mine. So the little reddish areas in my guys are indeed spots. :grin:

[CrazyAngels]

Well Pat, work has kept me from being able to watch the spawns carefully and try to help them along. Usually by the time I get home, the parents have eaten the eggs. Now I'm back in your backyard working with one more Launch (the reason I won't be able to be at NADA). I'm hoping not to have to travel again for a while and get back to my fish. This time I'll be gone for 2 weeks straight, I hope family can cope. In the mean time my three remaining fry have grown and 2 of them are still looking quite nice.. Thanks for asking, BTW I hope you have lots of fun at NADA.


Thanks Jorge and I do :) Quite happy about that considering folks (Darrell :p) were originally betting that I wouldn't get pass the four week mark and here I am at the four month mark.

How is your breeding efforts coming?

[Second Hand Pat]

Well Pat, work has kept me from being able to watch the spawns carefully and try to help them along. Usually by the time I get home, the parents have eaten the eggs. Now I'm back in your backyard working with one more Launch (the reason I won't be able to be at NADA). I'm hoping not to have to travel again for a while and get back to my fish. This time I'll be gone for 2 weeks straight, I hope family can cope. In the mean time my three remaining fry have grown and 2 of them are still looking quite nice.. Thanks for asking, BTW I hope you have lots of fun at NADA.

Jorge, I will you PM after the show and if you are around maybe we can meet up for dinner if you can get some time away. Good news on the remaining fry. :)

[CrazyAngels]

Thanks Pat, do let me know how it went as it sounds like you all going to have a great time. I'm on 2nd shift thru launch I can see if I can get some time. Again have lot's of fun @ NADA.


Jorge, I will you PM after the show and if you are around maybe we can meet up for dinner if you can get some time away. Good news on the remaining fry. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Jorge, PM me your number and I will give you the load down on the show. It was a blast :D

[Second Hand Pat]

Holy cow, can we say red spotted green...

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[Second Hand Pat]

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[Poco]

They are looking great Pat.

[Cameronv]

Amazing pat!!! Those fish are looking so dang promising. Your going to make a pretty penny off some of those RSG. They will be great for your breeding projects. I really want some. Great job raising them, look forward to your updates.

[Second Hand Pat]

They are looking great Pat.


Amazing pat!!! Those fish are looking so dang promising. Your going to make a pretty penny off some of those RSG. They will be great for your breeding projects. I really want some. Great job raising them, look forward to your updates.

Thanks Poco and Cameronv, I will admit to being super excited about the way these F1 are developing and hopefully will provide the F1A ( F1 batch A) foundation stock. Cameronv, I will like to make some of these available once the F1A breeding stock is selected. I do hope all the juvies have some spotting to offer.

[Second Hand Pat]

A good solid three inches on one of the larger ones.
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[Trier20]

Oh Pat idk about these guys ;)

[kaceyo]

Hey Pat,
Those are turning out to be some excellent discus. Congrats!

[Second Hand Pat]

Hey Pat,
Those are turning out to be some excellent discus. Congrats!

Thanks Kacey, they have some excellent parents and so far very pleasing with how these guys are developing :)

[Wildcaught dutchman]

:D

[Keith Perkins]

Looking wonderful Pat, nice color development and growth. Going to make for some great breeding stock.

[Second Hand Pat]

:D

Thanks Marc for stopping by :D

[Second Hand Pat]

Looking wonderful Pat, nice color development and growth. Going to make for some great breeding stock.

Aw thanks Keith, I think so too :)

[Wildcaught dutchman]

Beautiful Pat.What will you do with all them??Keep the most beautiful ones and sell the others???Problem in the USA is all the distances.Here in the Netherlands it would be most 2.5 hour driving.But I think there are enough people wanting these very nice fishes.;)

[Second Hand Pat]

You are right Marc I can not keep them all. 18 were going to Washington state but that is not happening. Some will be going to Ocala. For now I will be growing them out in a outside pool until around October then I will have to do some weeding. Let's hope I do not flood the local market too badly.

[DiscusLoverJeff]

Great job on your wilds Pat. They are looking real good!

[Second Hand Pat]

Great job on your wilds Pat. They are looking real good!

Thanks Jeff

[Second Hand Pat]

I have not done a video on these guys in a while. Almost five months of ago and sizewise they are all over the place. There is a fair amount of color development in the larger ones.


http://youtu.be/ZQ1IiA2yVLc

[Carolina discus]

WELL DONE PAT!!!!!
you have my full attention.....keep um growing!

[nwehrman]

Looking good Pat!


Nicole

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[Second Hand Pat]

WELL DONE PAT!!!!!
you have my full attention.....keep um growing!

Wow Eric and thanks :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Looking good Pat!


Nicole

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Thanks Nicole

[Discus-n00b]

Wow the color is really starting to come out on some of their fins. Cannot wait to see these as adults.

[Wildcaught dutchman]

Beautiful fishes Pat!!I like most the one in the beginning with a lot of red in the fins!!!;)

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow the color is really starting to come out on some of their fins. Cannot wait to see these as adults.

Thanks Matt, I am finding the color development unexpected and surprising. I am quite pleased with it.

[Second Hand Pat]

Beautiful fishes Pat!!I like most the one in the beginning with a lot of red in the fins!!!;)

Me too Marc. that one has the most color development of the batch.

[BobDaniel]

I am very impressed with the quality and shape of these fish. Have you got photos of the parents?

[Second Hand Pat]

I am very impressed with the quality and shape of these fish. Have you got photos of the parents?

I do have pictures of parents. These are wild green Tefe's, mom
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20Spawn/P1200044.jpg

and dad
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20Spawn/P1200041.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

Some picture from tonight just before light out.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/P7190025.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/P7190027.jpg

This picture is blurry but look how round this fish is.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/P7190029.jpg

[BobDaniel]

I think that these are very nice young. It seems if the young are well fed during the growth phase, the round shape is readily apparent.

[Second Hand Pat]

I think that these are very nice young. It seems if the young are well fed during the growth phase, the round shape is readily apparent.

Thanks Bob, these guys are feed six times a day. They are not power fed like domestics but you can see they are developing nicely.

[jimg]

Very nice, excellent job with them!

[Second Hand Pat]

Very nice, excellent job with them!

Thanks Jim, they are really looking good and feeding response is awesome.

[Rummy]

They are looking great. You certainly have a talent for raising fry.

[Second Hand Pat]

They are looking great. You certainly have a talent for raising fry.

Aw thanks Anik, they are a ton of work but also very satisfying watching them grow and develop. I am still quite surprised that they are doing so well considering this is my first time raising fry from wigglers.

[BobDaniel]

One last question, do all the young have the coveted red eye?

[Second Hand Pat]

One last question, do all the young have the coveted red eye?

Yes Bob, every single one of them.

[Second Hand Pat]

A video of tonight with batch A. These are going to be some super nice fish.


http://youtu.be/_BONXYZ-NKc

[Second Hand Pat]

A video of tonight with batch A. These are going to be some super nice fish.


http://youtu.be/_BONXYZ-NKc

[Rummy]

oooo, ahhh! Some perty fishes you got there.

Really, I'm loving them. Nice job!

[Second Hand Pat]

oooo, ahhh! Some perty fishes you got there.

Really, I'm loving them. Nice job!

Thanks Anik, I am enjoying these guys :)

[lofty]

theyr'e awesome pat, mine still haven't arrived in the u.k. yet:)

[Second Hand Pat]

theyr'e awesome pat, mine still haven't arrived in the u.k. yet:)

Thanks Roy, you are getting some Tefe's too. :)

[DiscusLoverJeff]

Awesome looking Pat and growing out nicely.

Thanks for the updates.

[lofty]

not really pat, although i'd like to some time in the future, for the moment i'm concentrating on my piwowarski's

[Second Hand Pat]

Awesome looking Pat and growing out nicely.

Thanks for the updates.

Thanks Jeff, I really appreciate it.

[Second Hand Pat]

not really pat, although i'd like to some time in the future, for the moment i'm concentrating on my piwowarski's

Aw, got it Roy, best of luck with the piwowarski's. Super nice fish. If you can get them to spawn soon you could maybe enter the contest.

[tbird22771]

I had the privilege of seeing these guys in person today, and they look great in the pictures but are absolutely amazing to see in person. Pat has an awesome set up and each tank just has amazing fish! Thanks so much Pat for taking so much time with us it was a great experience. Tom (her husband) is super nice too!

[Second Hand Pat]

I had the privilege of seeing these guys in person today, and they look great in the pictures but are absolutely amazing to see in person. Pat has an awesome set up and each tank just has amazing fish! Thanks so much Pat for taking so much time with us it was a great experience. Tom (her husband) is super nice too!

Wow and thanks Tracey, sure was nice to finally meet you and I enjoyed our time together. Ashame you are not closer.

[Second Hand Pat]

Guys, we have spots and they are getting round.

Same fish both sides

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/p1010125.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/p1010122.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/p1010123.jpg

Different fish, spots are not as well defined.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/p1010124.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

Look at the lower spots in the lower fins of these two fish (above). Remind you of the rings in the leopard with the ring gene?

I see interesting future crosses with some of these guys, even with domestics.

[Kingdom Come Discus]

Dang I am impressed with those spots.

[Second Hand Pat]

Me too Kraig, very curious on how these fish will turn out.

[BobDaniel]

I hope the red spots cover the fish when it get older! That'll sure increase the "Wow" factor.

[hedut]

Good job Pat, wish we live closer love to get some of those :)

[johnnathan]

Pat..

very nice body shape

[Chicago Discus]

Very cool Pat I can't wait to see what they turn inti....

[Second Hand Pat]

I hope the red spots cover the fish when it get older! That'll sure increase the "Wow" factor.

Bob, I think the ones showing the spots in the lower fins will be the spotted ones. There are about four showing spots in the belly area but these fish still have alot of growing to do.


Good job Pat, wish we live closer love to get some of those :)

Henry, there is a good change I will be learning to ship later so some of these will be offered at a later time.


Pat..

very nice body shape

Wow John, thank you so much.



Very cool Pat I can't wait to see what they turn inti....

Oh me too Josie, fun times ahead I think.

[Second Hand Pat]

Here is a video showing some of the colors in these guys in somewhat natural light.


http://youtu.be/sTIHl0DksRA

[Second Hand Pat]

Not exactly an impressive growth rate. These guys are almost six months old and not quite four inches.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/Six_Months_Old_Len.jpg

[Coffee1stLife2nd]

ohh Pat they are super cute... nice job,,, i want the one at 1.45

[Second Hand Pat]

ohh Pat they are super cute... nice job,,, i want the one at 1.45

Thanks, that one is one of my favorites too.

[dpete9]

Pat,
They look great! Do you think they will matrue at a larger size than their parents since they are tank grown?

[Second Hand Pat]

No idea Pete, I have discussed these F1 greens with Rod and he indicated wild greens are not known for being large fish. The only thing I can tell you now is one of my wild Tefe males is coming up on 7 inches.

[Eddie]

They look great though! They'll grow into themselves and be some beauty's!

[Second Hand Pat]

They look great though! They'll grow into themselves and be some beauty's!

Thanks Eddie, I think over the next six months these guys are really going to shine.

[Wildcaught dutchman]

Have not seen these fishes for a while.Stunning how much they have grown.Wonderful fishes.Do you keep the most beautiful ones and try to cross them with new "blood"???:confused:

[Second Hand Pat]

Hi Marc, in a year :o these guys are right at the six months mark so still have lots of growing to do.

[Wildcaught dutchman]

They are in good hands over there Pat.Wonder what size they become when they are mature.:confused::confused::confused::p

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Marc, well dad is about 6 to 6 1/2 inches and mom is about 5 1/2 inches if that is any indicator. One of my tefe males is coming up on 7 inches. I am hoping these guys will be around five inches at a year. These guys seem to have a 24 month growing period.

[Second Hand Pat]

Here is an up close and personal video of Batch A. Two of the larger ones are showing spotting on the side. They are the ones which have lots of spotting in the anal fins.


http://youtu.be/PLc1X12gqJw

I re-uploaded the video. Youtupe warped it when it "fixed" it.

[lofty]

they just get better and better pat , your doing a fantastic job growing these out, i'm pretty jealous right now ;)

[Second Hand Pat]

they just get better and better pat , your doing a fantastic job growing these out, i'm pretty jealous right now ;)

Thanks Roy,definitely have some future breeders in there. I hope you saw unwarped video.

[BobDaniel]

Very nice!

[Second Hand Pat]

Very nice!

Thanks Bob, this is the spawn from the thread "Wild Tefe Spawn". I post a bunch of pictures there if you want to check it out :)

[Poco]

Pat, they have grown so much. Well done!

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat, they have grown so much. Well done!

Thanks Poco :D

[Second Hand Pat]

While my contest fish are terribly unimpressive the Batch A are strutting their stuff :D

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/p1010125-1.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/P1010130.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/P1010131.jpg

Group shot feeding off the top.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/P1010132.jpg

[rdiscus]

Yes ... Very nice group

[Eddie]

Very nice Pat! Great work!

[Second Hand Pat]

Very nice Pat! Great work!

Thanks Eddie :D

[Second Hand Pat]

This is the largest of Batch A. I am guessing 4 inches. I will measure the handle in the picture and post the actual size tonight. These guys are seven months old.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/p1010125-2.jpg

[Oscarsx]

Awesome!!

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

[damba]

My favourite discus strain. Great fisjlh.

I live in Eastbourne - the sunniest place in Britain. That isn't really saying much...

[Eddie]

They look great Pat.

[dpete9]

they're looking nice and round already. I think they're going to outgrow mom and dad.

[Second Hand Pat]

Awesome!!


Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

Thanks Oz.


My favourite discus strain. Great fisjlh.

I live in Eastbourne - the sunniest place in Britain. That isn't really saying much...

One of mine too. :D


They look great Pat.

Thanks Eddie :)


they're looking nice and round already. I think they're going to outgrow mom and dad.

We shall see Pete.

So measured the brush handle in the picture above and the larger fish in Batch A is 4 and 1/4 inches at seven months.

[dpete9]

Pat. My domestics and your batch A were hatched on the same day ( I remember) so you inspired me to finally take the tape measure out and measure mine. I posted it in a different thread so not to throw pics in your thread.. mine are only slightly bigger and they're domestics.

[Second Hand Pat]

Pete, this fish is the largest of the batch. I would say the average size of the batch is 3 to 3 and 1/2 inches.

[Second Hand Pat]

Some pictures of Batch A and the two RSGs which are coloring up nicely.

The group
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0197_zpsf354fe1f.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0191_zps63fc5c3a.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0190_zps7026e2ad.jpg


RSGs
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0196_zps7e3e4492.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0189_zpsb9ba25c0.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0188_zpsb927a346.jpg

[DiscusLoverJeff]

Wow Pat, great shape and great color patterns starting.

Nice work raising them.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Jeff, I am quite surprised and pleased on all the color.

[boscobear]

Pat,
The babies are just gorgeous , holy smokes, they are picture perfect. Just love those baby pictures, great color, and the eyes are enchanting. Amazing, we really enjoy your photos.
Ron & Doris

[Dogvet06]

beautiful!

[bobdon]

VERY NICE

[Carolina discus]

Pat
Really great job raising these...I can appreciate the hard work that goes into raising a batch to this quality.
I have my eyes on these!!!
All the best

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat,
The babies are just gorgeous , holy smokes, they are picture perfect. Just love those baby pictures, great color, and the eyes are enchanting. Amazing, we really enjoy your photos.
Ron & Doris

Thanks Ron and Doris, I am having fun raising these guys and all of them have red eyes.


beautiful!

Thanks Jaimie


VERY NICE


Thank you Bobdon


Pat
Really great job raising these...I can appreciate the hard work that goes into raising a batch to this quality.
I have my eyes on these!!!
All the best

I know you do Eric and thanks ;)

[Kingdom Come Discus]

I don't know if I have seen a batch of F-1 greens so dang nice!!!!! I love them!!!!!

[roclement]

Congrats Pat! Great job with these!

Rodrigo

[1oscar]

great looking batch, doing a great job of raising them

[Second Hand Pat]

I don't know if I have seen a batch of F-1 greens so dang nice!!!!! I love them!!!!!

Aw thanks Kraig :) I am quite happy with them.


Congrats Pat! Great job with these!

Rodrigo

Thank you too Rodrigo


great looking batch, doing a great job of raising them

Thanks Oscar :)

[Eddie]

They're looking great Pat!

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Eddie, of the two RSG you think any chance of either being a royal?

[Eddie]

Thanks Eddie, of the two RSG you think any chance of either being a royal?

Certainly looks as though they will. Would be super nice!

[Second Hand Pat]

Certainly looks as though they will. Would be super nice!

:D

[Second Hand Pat]

There guys are nine months old...talk about developing color.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0379.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0378.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0375.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0378.jpg

Developing RSGs
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0374.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0371.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0370.jpg

[Brokenrack]

Awsome!
Scott

[Wildcaught dutchman]

Stunning youngsters.Very well done Pat,;)

[Eddie]

They look great Pat. Nice work!

[Disgirl]

What beauties they are Pat! Aren't they the very first spawn your fish had? Are you keeping them all?
Barb

[Dogvet06]

What great color! Good job

[Oscarsx]

Very nice colourings, I love reading these type of threads!! Gj.

- oz

[Second Hand Pat]

Awsome!
Scott

Thank you Scott


Stunning youngsters.Very well done Pat,;)

Love them Marc and thank you.


They look great Pat. Nice work!

Thanks Eddie. Some promising youngsters. :D


What beauties they are Pat! Aren't they the very first spawn your fish had? Are you keeping them all?
Barb

Yes Barb, these are the babies from the "Wild Tefe Spawn" and my first time raising my own fry. I cannot keep them all and do have some future homes in mind.


What great color! Good job

Thanks Jaimie :D


Very nice colourings, I love reading these type of threads!! Gj.

- oz

Aw thanks Oz :)

[Fishwhispererpam]

Very nice colourings, I love reading these type of threads!! Gj.

- oz



+1. This is my favorite thread to check on. I only have domestics but this thread makes me hope there are tefes in my future!

[Second Hand Pat]

+1. This is my favorite thread to check on. I only have domestics but this thread makes me hope there are tefes in my future!

Thanks Pam :D

[Poco]

They are looking great Pat.

[Second Hand Pat]

They are looking great Pat.

Thanks Poco :D

[Second Hand Pat]

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0430.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0428.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0427.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0426.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0424.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0421.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0420.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0419.jpg

[Dogvet06]

getting nice and round! :)

[Second Hand Pat]

getting nice and round! :)

Thanks Jaimie

[xKevinx]

wow unreal great job!

[Second Hand Pat]

wow unreal great job!

Thanks Kevin :)

[Chicago Discus]

They are looking amazing Pat you truly are a great Discus mommy.....:)....Josie

[Second Hand Pat]

They are looking amazing Pat you truly are a great Discus mommy.....:)....Josie

Thanks Josie, still fine tuning those discus mommy skills but getting better. :)

[Carolina discus]

Oustanding Pat...
Keep up the great work...love seeing ow these guys are developing.
:)

[Second Hand Pat]

Oustanding Pat...
Keep up the great work...love seeing ow these guys are developing.
:)

Thanks Eric, appreciate the kind remarks.

[Second Hand Pat]

So question for you guys. Who is up for an after Christmas auction of a group of these guys. I can not say whether they will be spotted or not and they are not going to be as large as a domestic of the same age. Lots of the color development is still to come but there is lots of promise in these juvies. These are also the babies from the "Wild Tefe Spawn" and for a while were the darlings of Simply.

[Kingdom Come Discus]

I think it is a great idea Pat I am sure they would do well!!

[Second Hand Pat]

I think it is a great idea Pat I am sure they would do well!!

Thanks Kraig, does not seem like there is much demand for them.

[Second Hand Pat]

Two of these guys are developing amazing spots with the blue forming on the body

First one
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0497.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0494.jpg

Second one. Look at the red forming between the striations. I am excited about that.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0491.jpg

A few of the others.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0492.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0496.jpg

[Eddie]

Nice fish Pat. I like the one in the last picture. How many do you have?

[Second Hand Pat]

Nice fish Pat. I like the one in the last picture. How many do you have?

About 30 Eddie, still have most of the spawn.

[Trier20]

Pat, Those are looking very nice!

[Discus-n00b]

So so nice Pat. I love these fish.

[Second Hand Pat]

So so nice Pat. I love these fish.

Matt, I am going to auction a group of them after x-mas to benefit Simply. Mark is going to ship them for me.

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat, Those are looking very nice!

Thanks Brandon :)

[DiscusLoverJeff]

Come on Pat, you can't keep them all to yourself, Lol

Auction sounds good for sure!

[Discus-n00b]

Matt, I am going to auction a group of them after x-mas to benefit Simply. Mark is going to ship them for me.

Well then, I will be keeping my eyes open for this!

[DiscusLoverJeff]

Hiya Pat,

Anything new and exciting in the fish room?

[Second Hand Pat]

Hiya Pat,

Anything new and exciting in the fish room?

Hey Jeff, nothing really new regarding these F1s. However I am getting a group of the smaller Piwow RTs from Kraig next week and with that I will have four tanks dedicated to juvies and growouts.

[Second Hand Pat]

There two are showing some nice promise

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_1410_zpsf9cb2ba1.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_1414_zps15f207d3.jpg

[Cosgrovb]

Yes they are! Lock the front door someone may steal those beauties!

[Cosgrovb]

This guy is my favorite RSG!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/17/adudehuz.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

This guy is my favorite RSG!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/17/adudehuz.jpg

Brad, of the two this one has the nicer shape and better color development.

[Cosgrovb]

I think the best thing about having two good fish spawn is that the pic of the litter from the fry regardless of how large the spawn is, there is always a few fish better than the parents. That is the real fun of the hobby (to me that is!)

[Second Hand Pat]

I think the best thing about having two good fish spawn is that the pic of the litter from the fry regardless of how large the spawn is, there is always a few fish better than the parents. That is the real fun of the hobby (to me that is!)

Totally :D

[Second Hand Pat]

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_1696_zps4dec2d19.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_1689_zpsf08dceb5.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_1694_zps6cb3fd03.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

Here are how some of the other fish of Batch A are faring.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XkR2KyuUGM&list=UUaeXQ_wwjMmbU52-KYBqNJg&index=1

[roclement]

Pat,

On the future pairings, are you going for spots or shape? Curious to see how you take them from here.
Also, have you considered, and you may have but I can't remember, starting some crossing of these with domesics yet?

Rodrigo

[Second Hand Pat]

Rodrigo, great question and I will share some thoughs later tonight.
Pat

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat,

On the future pairings, are you going for spots or shape? Curious to see how you take them from here.
Also, have you considered, and you may have but I can't remember, starting some crossing of these with domesics yet?

Rodrigo

Hi Rodrigo,

My intentions are to develop a nice RSG from all wild stock. Since I have do not have any highly spotted wild fish I will have to develop the foundation stock first. I will most likely go for spots first and then shape but in reality I will take advantage of whatever the fish offer me in each generation.

I think this is a great topic for discussion and perhaps should start a separate thread.

Pat

[Second Hand Pat]

Also this thread might be an interesting read.

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?97172-Vintage-Strain-Development

[Second Hand Pat]

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_1885_zps6d3cbdcd.jpg

This one is developing the "wild green" shape.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_1882_zpse8897876.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_1881_zps36f06db7.jpg

Show some promise.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_1883_zps392748dc.jpg

[Toke]

very nice discus - good work. really hope that you will get some good pairs out of these fish for further breeding on wild stock

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Toke and hope so too. I already have id-ed the fish for the F2 generation.

[jobber]

Oh boy. I'm just beginning to catch up. I'm certain you're able to get some good RSG specimens with each generation. There is indeed something special with the Florida water!



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[Second Hand Pat]

Well, I had a pretty serious setback with Batch A. I was doing a Formalin treatment on them using Al's treatment plan and used the dosage on the package and lost better then half the batch to what appears to be a overdose. What is left is pretty much back to normal but not a pleasant experience. The two most spotted ones made it so that is good news.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_2033_zps9678c707.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_2036_zps0a1bcecc.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_2005_zpsfa2f25ff.jpg

and the other.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_2038_zpsdfcf3aff.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_2037_zps7f1857ad.jpg

[marinum]

this is excellent!

[Second Hand Pat]

This fish is amazing
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_2127_zps495e52c4.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_2127_zps495e52c4.jpg.html)
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_2123_zps2f7d4a4a.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_2123_zps2f7d4a4a.jpg.html)

The other nicely spotted one and about an inch larger then the one above
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_2119_zpsd8186de3.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_2119_zpsd8186de3.jpg.html)

Largest in the batch and even has a few spots.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_2124_zpsb4057435.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/Wild%20Tefe%20F1%20Timeline/DSC_2124_zpsb4057435.jpg.html)

[marinum]

fantastic good looks

[Second Hand Pat]

fantastic good looks

Thanks marinum

[Second Hand Pat]

Anyone recognize these guys...

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_4599_zpsef2ee8a4.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/DSC_4599_zpsef2ee8a4.jpg.html)
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_4598_zps158a020f.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/DSC_4598_zps158a020f.jpg.html)

[rdiscus]

Color up nicely ...

[Nick Klimkowski]

They look great Pat, I love to see how in the right hands they can be raised up to there maximum potential keep up the good work! Let's see them get to 10in :D

[Second Hand Pat]

Color up nicely ...

They did Ryan. Not the best shape but great color. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

They look great Pat, I love to see how in the right hands they can be raised up to there maximum potential keep up the good work! Let's see them get to 10in :D

Nick, these two are wild F1s I raised from my first wild spawn. They were two years old in Feb so size wise they are done I think.

[Nick Klimkowski]

Nick, these two are wild F1s I raised from my first wild spawn. They were two years old in Feb so size wise they are done I think.

I know that Pat, I was just kidding.:D

[Second Hand Pat]

I know that Pat, I was just kidding.:D

:p

[wild-blue-discus]

omg! i have been looking for some of these for a long time, shame your not in australia

[Trac]

Anyone recognize these guys...

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_4599_zpsef2ee8a4.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/DSC_4599_zpsef2ee8a4.jpg.html)
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_4598_zps158a020f.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/DSC_4598_zps158a020f.jpg.html)

Pat, the first picture was the one with most spots and the second picture was the biggest one of the batch with the less spots correct?

[Second Hand Pat]

True on the first but they are about the same wise.