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So say I went Trophs, what size colony would I be looking at for a 100gal (48x24x20)?
If you buy wild caught, you can buy them sexed. They are sold in trios meaning 1male/2 females. I would try for 21 or 24 to start. 30 would be even better, but it gets expensive. If you go with F1 juvies, you should try for 30-40 and weed out the males as they mature until you get a nice ratio. Another cool thing about trophs is that they don't have to be full grown adults to produce fry. My 2.5" sub-adult Bemba have small spawns in my tank.
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I've had about 20 trophs in my 90G along with a few other Africans and it worked well for me.
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Al, I'm sure there are but they've never interested me other than like sport fishing bluegill, bass, etc. The small darters and such were kinda "meh". Which is funny because my brother can't get enough of them. For the past 3 years he's worked with the US Forestry service doing stream surveys all around the southeast from Virginia, to the Carolinas, and west to Arkansas and Missouri. Also helps collect for some people here in SC for the trade. Those Gulf Coast Pygmy Sunfish are really nice, but not something I'd do in the 100gal. I think I would find more enjoyment catching them than keeping them.
Aren't I difficult to please? LOL
Lol yes! but seriously, I'll have to get your brothers contact info!:)
-al
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If you buy wild caught, you can buy them sexed. They are sold in trios meaning 1male/2 females. I would try for 21 or 24 to start. 30 would be even better, but it gets expensive. If you go with F1 juvies, you should try for 30-40 and weed out the males as they mature until you get a nice ratio. Another cool thing about trophs is that they don't have to be full grown adults to produce fry. My 2.5" sub-adult Bemba have small spawns in my tank.
From what I gather by the time you buy twice as many juvis to get the mix you want you could of bought an already sexed out wild or adult colony thats ready to breed. I guess raising them and sexing them is part of the experience if you want to go that route though. To be honest, if I did this I'd be happy with either direction it just depends on who has enough stock to supply enough at one time. How are trophs at introducing new fish into the herd? Like if I could only find half the colony size to start, can I add the other have down the road provided the sexing is worked out? Also, whats the growth rate on these fish? Just wondering if they are a typical Tang in that it takes forever for them to mature and grow.
I like the Bemba as well, the orange and black. It would probably be my second choice as far as type goes after Moori.
I'm actually seriously considering this. Tropheus always intrigued me but I never had the tank to support a colony of them.
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There are a lot of tank bred trophs on the market. Somone in my local club typically sells 1" juvy anywhere from $8 to $12 each. I bought lots of tangs from this person in the past. Trophs grow pretty fast.
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If I ever want change I may never get sick of this display tank. Just wondering if they breed true.
Sorry Matt this is all I have to offer.
...Ralph
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I wish I had room for a tank like that Ralph. I'd never get tired of that!
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I wish I had room for a tank like that Ralph. I'd never get tired of that!
You would after seeing the bill for the oxygen tanks they require ;)
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I think its becoming more real. I've signed up over on trophs.com lol.
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I think its becoming more real. I've signed up over on trophs.com lol.
Creator of trophs.com is the local breeder that I bought from that mentioned in my previous post.
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Awesome. Heard good stuff about him too, its where I've been looking to acquire my stock. I'm about 90% sure as of today that I'll be going to Tropheus for a while. Who knows maybe i'll be back in discus sooner rather than later, maybe in addition to....but for now I think change is good.
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I just went through the same thing. I really like discus. In fact they are the only hybrid fish species I will ever keep. I had 20+ tanks with over 100 adult discus at one point. I did breed them. I just don't want to bother selling them and very few people wanted to just trade for different strains. They were only interested in selling or buying. They just got boring to me. I only have a few left now, gave them away or traded mostly. I am into tropheus again. They are a little more challenging, a little cheaper and fun to breed. I have a local pet store that is always willing to take fry. Right now they are more active and interesting than discus. I will probably change my mind again in a few years.
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It's her. Her name is Sarah. Very cool person. She is a Tang specialist. She has ton of other cool Tang stock. Tell her that you know me. :)
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How are trophs at introducing new fish into the herd?
This can be problamatic sometimes. I have had mixed success adding trophs to an existing colony. They are sometimes attacked and killed. A big problem with trophs is that you can have a great colony for years and a dominant males dies creating battles that ruin the colony. I used to take females out when holding but even they are sometimes not re-accepted into the colony. Better to strip them and return to tank or let them release fry into the tank. I would argue that trophs are more challenging to keep than discus. Not as many water changes but still need clean water at more specific parameters than discus and add the aggression factor into the mix.
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It's her. Her name is Sarah. Very cool person. She is a Tang specialist. She has ton of other cool Tang stock. Tell her that you know me. :)
Oh ok, I thought you meant Greg from LAA. I'll have to look her up.
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This can be problamatic sometimes. I have had mixed success adding trophs to an existing colony. They are sometimes attacked and killed. A big problem with trophs is that you can have a great colony for years and a dominant males dies creating battles that ruin the colony. I used to take females out when holding but even they are sometimes not re-accepted into the colony. Better to strip them and return to tank or let them release fry into the tank. I would argue that trophs are more challenging to keep than discus. Not as many water changes but still need clean water at more specific parameters than discus and add the aggression factor into the mix.
Thanks Scott. I was probably thinking more the lines of introducing juvis to juvis. Like a group of 15 from one seller and a group of 15 a bit down the road from another seller. Before they've really fully matured.
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I bet you wil love them. You will have no problems after keeping discus. Southeast Cichlids located in Georgia gets nice big quality wild tropheus but they are not cheap. Little Africa is great also. Thats where I got my last F1 juvies.
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I did it guys. Met Larry and he took my remaining wild discus. So now I'm officially heading for Tropheus. I'll still be around Simply for sure, still love discus.....just don't keep them anymore! ;)
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Wow Matt, I read all 4 pages, I'm getting ready to switch from Lake Victorian(basin) cichlids over to Discus. Seems we just can't make up our minds:):). Trophs are pretty cool, I think you'll be happy.