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Withdrawn: Pat's Contest Fish Wild Tefe F1 "Batch B"
This thread will be a temporary home for me to document the fish I will be using in the Hobbyist Challenge which are the second successful spawn (Batch B) from my wild Tefe's. The female is the same female for Batch A but the male is different and prettier then the Batch A male.
Here are the parents.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/a...n/P5090041.jpg
Mom
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/a...n/P5090036.jpg
Dad
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/a...pawn/Dad-1.jpg
The brooding tank is my 230 bio-tope tank with a foam divider between the parents and the rest of the Tefe group. The ph is 7.2, TDS is ~40 and temp is still 78F.
Today's video of the wigglers at nine day free swimming. The wigglers are looking more like fish and less like mosquito larvae.
http://youtu.be/xfS8gqRYAMU
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Re: Pat's Contest Fish Wild Tefe F1 "Batch B"
Nice wigglers Pat.Wonder how they look like within 2-3 months.Good luck with them.:D
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Wildcaught dutchman
Nice wigglers Pat.Wonder how they look like within 2-3 months.Good luck with them.:D
Marc, something like this
http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...t-Batch-A-quot
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Started introducing BBS yesterday (yea, I know a couple of days late). No takers but the wigglers are starting to show a little independent from the parents. There is one little guy who keeps wondering from the pack and mom always has to come fetch him. Bet one day he will be the alpha male if he survives the forays away from the parents.
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This video is a bit dark and day 12 for the Batch B Tefe fry. Today if you look below mom you can see of the wigglers hanging a little away from Mom. They are getting a little independent.
http://youtu.be/Pr66Xa00oW4
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Two weeks old today and eating BBS like little champs.
http://youtu.be/yac-6ZSgxyg
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Loking good pat keep up the good work and updates!
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Pat you always are ahead of me ..LOL...LOL...looks great Im jealous..............Josie
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ockyra215
Loking good pat keep up the good work and updates!
Thank you Dave and well do :)
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snoopodus
Pat you always are ahead of me ..LOL...LOL...looks great Im jealous..............Josie
Aw thanks Josie, Your domestic fry with outgrow these little F1 greens so badly. The batch A is 16 weeks old and not even 3 inches :p
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As always Pat, great job!
Very consistant spawing cycle too. Good luck and hope all works out for you.
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DiscusLoverJeff
As always Pat, great job!
Very consistant spawing cycle too. Good luck and hope all works out for you.
Thanks Jeff, you would think this female was a domestic she is so regular.
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Batch B is 18 days old today and starting to gain a little height.
http://youtu.be/aEYO9Ztyafk
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Awesome sight, they look really good foraging about.
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Thanks Keith, they are getting quite dependent of the parents. I am trying to decide if I should pull them before going to the show.
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Two weeks from now if they were domestics I wouldn't be at all concerned about pulling them.
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I pulled Batch A at four weeks and these guys will be a bit over four weeks old two weeks from now so sounds like a plan.
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These fry are 21 days old today. Video is a bit dark.
http://youtu.be/Y-bLlp-IrpA
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24 days old and the fry are getting some height on and starting to look like little discus. You can see mom and dad do not like the ipad.
http://youtu.be/MYtRvYpZ4-E
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Here is the video from last night. Little buggers were four weeks old yesterday. They are not dime sized yet and still in with mom and dad in the 230. I plan on leaving them in with mom and dad until after the show in Atlanta as this serves two purposes. It keeps mom from wanting to spawn (hopefully) and makes it easier to care for the fry in the big tank while I am at the show for the caretaker.
The water parameters are still the same, TDS 45-50, Temp 82, Ph 7.2, GH 4dGH, KH 4dKH and still doing two 50% WCs a week. The fry are eating BBS and fined ground FDBWs which were introduced two days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS28IX9hWjI&list=UUaeXQ_wwjMmbU52-KYBqNJg&index=1&feature=plcp
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:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
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johnnathan
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
Aw, thank you John, a man of few words ;)
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Hi Pat.Wonderful again.I think you are never without bugglers.You breed so many discusfish.Amazing.You must have a lot of water ro raise them or have a possibility to sell them if they are a little bigger.
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Wildcaught dutchman
Hi Pat.Wonderful again.I think you are never without bugglers.You breed so many discusfish.Amazing.You must have a lot of water ro raise them or have a possibility to sell them if they are a little bigger.
Hi Marc, you are giving me way too much credit. I only have two spawns, one at four months old (38 juvies) and this one (25/30 fry) just over a month old.
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These guys will be five weeks old tomorrow and I will not be able to do an update tomorrow. I will be heading north to Atlanta for the show and will be back late Sunday so the next update will be Monday.
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Well the fry are six weeks old and finally tonight they have been relocated to their own tank. There are 22 fry in this spawn so I will need to find out if that disqualifies me from the hobbyist challenge contest as Al's guidelines said the initial group was to be 30.
I will post some pictures tomorrow and let them settle tonight.
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I just watched the video of them above. So cute and healthy Pat! Makes me wish I had some breeders and fry in a big tank like you do. Keep up the good work, I will keep an eye here.
Barb
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Thanks Barb, they do seem to be healthy little buggers. They are trying to orient themselves in their new tank tonight so no interest in food.
I should also add as a documentation point that the water mix in the new tank is 60% RO to 40% tap. I use this as a bridge from the parent's tank water to full up tap water.
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Here is the six week video. They were actually six weeks old yesterday. They are still not settled and only a few are willing to pick at the bottom of the tank. I may put a very lite coating of sand to help them adjust.
The spawn is fairly uniform with a few smaller ones and I will continue with the 60% RO to 40% tap for WCs as a couple of the fry have tails with a whitest border indicating that I could have acclimated better. I left the sponge filter dirty to ensure enough bio-media for the tank move.
http://youtu.be/OkpkvHIFkXo
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Pat,
At that size their tails and fins are fairly delicate. Its not uncommon to see a bit rough at the edges if you netted them,IMO...should disappear fairly soon with out any intervention.
hth,
al
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Thanks Al, I did net them, good to know :)
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Eddie
Nice pups Pat!
Thanks Eddie :)
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Re: Pat's Contest Fish Wild Tefe F1 "Batch B"
Al, next time you are this way from the guidelines in post 172 on page 9 of the original contest thread you indicate the 8 contest fish sure be selected when the spawn is about 8 weeks old. As a guess-a-mate what is the average size of 8 week old domestic fry?
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So I was talking to Larry (jaykne) last night giving him a show update and asked him the same question I asked Al above about the size of domestic fry at 8 weeks. Larry's answer was two inches for his fry lol and Larry knows how to grow out fry.
My reason for asking this is if I remember the guidelines correctly the contest fish have to be selected at about the eight week mark and these F1 Tefe fry will be around an inch or so. Wild greens are known for being slow growers and this will be true for the F1 Tefe fry. I knew this going into the contest and come judging time these guys size wise will not compare well to their domestic counterparts. My reason for entering the contest was to document the development of F1s for the interest of other members should there be any lol.
So this morning all the fry are out, grouped and fins fully spread out. They still swim to the back when I walk by the tank but another day or so they should be looking forward to me coming and feeding them.
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This is very interesting Pat keep the updates coming , Please :)
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Brent1972
This is very interesting Pat keep the updates coming , Please :)
Will do Brent, that is the purpose of this log LOL, but I talk too much anyway. ;)
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No close ups? :) There looking good, very nice shape and size looks right on track. Guess I need to shoot some pictures and start a couple threads of my own.
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I will see what I can do for you Keith on the closeups. :) Would love to see some of your fry.