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Hi all,
I'm going to be putting together an article on food recipes. I'd be interested in adding your special beefheart, gel food, or whatever? recipe to the list if you could post it here. Please write in your submission that you authorize Simply Discus and its owners to copy, edit, and publish your recipes. Include any information about yourself that you want included with the recipe.
This article will be housed in our Library as a reference for our members.
Thanks,
al
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great idea. I keep forgetting the beefheart recipie.
jim
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I tend to go alittle crazy with my beefheart mixes. I can honestly say I have never made it the same way 2x but heres a basic...
3 cups ground beef heart/veal heart
1 cup ground raw shrimpw/ shell
2 cups HBH meat lovers flakes
1 cup HBH Discus and Angel flake
2 oz formula one marine
4 crushed womens one a day vitamens
6 calcium citrate +Vit D suppliments . crushed
4 tablespoons yellow cornmeal
3 egg yolk
2 tablespoons paprika
3 tablespoons ground garlic powder
1 /2 cup cooked spinach pureed
mix and heat til hot, not boiling and stir in 6-8 packets of Knox gelatin, pour and let cool. Cut it up and freeze.
Additional items I may add or substitute...
CooKed wheat germ for the cornmeal.
Baby food (hey I have one).... the pureed spinach, carrot,bananna, are all great additives.
Babay formula 2-3 tablespoons...laugh but check out the nutritional info in it
Brewer Yeast-1 tablespoon....of course I have a lot of this.
2-3 tablespoons spirulina powder or 1 /2 cup flakes
3 tablespoons plankton , or Krill fines (jehmco.com)
1/2 cup tetra color bits, or nutrafin max , complete marine morsels
Cod fish filet1/2 pound per pound beef
fish oil 1/2 tspoon
decapsulated Brine shrimp (brine shrimp direct)
oh yeah, I also throw in the kitchen sink to really balence things out...
Hth,
al
PS... I, Al Sabetta authorize Simply Discus and its owners to copy, edit, and publish my recipes ;) ;D
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Al : Your PS was very tacky.................I like it.......... ;D
jim
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My beefheart recipe? Hmmmm!
-First beefheart
-second what else I can find the in fridge, on shelves, in corners, behind dresser, under carpet, etc (you'd be surpised how much fish stuff I have ;D)
Throw all in blender, wait until it looks good to drink, pour in plastic bags and freeze!
If you really want a creative recipe, see above (Al's post)! I never use the same stuff when making beefheart so I guess I do not have much of a recipe. I usually 'steal' other people's ideas and add to (and my wife says I never cook! Hphmm! >:( )!
O, yea! Another item I always add is garlic and wheatgerm!
PS-This ones copyrighted Al! :rolleyes: Please forward royalities! ;D
Vitamins Al! Thats a good one! I'll have to remember that one next time! Thanks! ;)
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Al : I am in the kitchen as we speak making your recipe. The question I have is about the cooking. to add the gelitain you have to cook the beefheart. Obviously, if you are doing it it works but I am curious if the beefheart loses anything in the process?
Jim
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Hi Jim,
actually cooking is not necessary, you just need to heat the food, so the gelatin will work. For example I make a lot of smaller batches now, and here I just nuke a cup of water til it boils, stir into into the mix and add the gelatin , mix well and in a Zip lock bag to the freezer.
-al
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Al : I made up your recipe and put it on the stove. I heated it up and then put in 4 packets of gelitin. Mixed it real well and then put it on foil and then into the fridge. Sound alright?
Jim
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If it gels ...Yes
If it doesn't...no! ;D
seriously it should work fine.
if not just add more gelatin and add some boiling hot water.
and cool in the fridge.
good luck,
al
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It turned out great. Kathy came in and ate some before I could pack it away........... ;D
Jim
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I also make my own beefheart, slight variations from some of the recipes above. I find that raw shrimp helps well as a binder of everything else.
There are two things I am doing now that I consider vast improvements over my own previous recipe:
1) I now use whole silversides (small salt-water fish) as an ingredient. These are 1.5-2 inches long, and they go whole in the grinder (heads, tails, bones, all). They are soft so no problems. Great for calcium, phosphorus, omega-3 fatty acids.
2) I have improved substantially my last two batches by creating a beefheart paste that is more stable in the water (i.e, does not fly into tiny little pieces that mess up the tank). I know that people use unflavored gelatin as binder, and so did I. However --------->>>>
I found a product that is far superior: It is sold by Aquarium ecosystems (www.aquaticeco.com) and it is called something like gel-food. It is a coarse powder like gelatin that acts as binder but produces a better paste. It is very rich in protein, and in other goodies (minerals in particular). If anybody is interested, I have the breakdown of its composition, just not with me right now. It holds powders (such as vitamins or spirulina) very well. It seems to have good flavor, because the fish go for it very well. It is not expensive. Finally, gelatin "melts" very quickly on contact with the tank's temperature, whereas this gel is more stable. All in all, I like a lot better than gelatin, which is of course almost completely devoid of nutritional value.
You may want to give it a try. I like it. Should anybody be interested in further info, (product number, catalog description, etc.), look in the online catalog, or ask me.
HTH. Cheers, Francisco.
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Here are my recipes that I use:
First batch:
3 fresh eggs
5 oz frozen green peas
1 lb frozen shrimp
1 lb fish fillets (skinless, boneless - avoid fatty fish meat)
5 oz frozen carrots
1 fresh banana
5 oz frozen chopped spinach
1/2 lb frozen crab meat
10 vitamins (Kent Zoe Freshwater Vitamins)
10 oz earthworm flake food
Mix eggs, carrots, spinach, peas in a bowl and microwave for 2-3 minutes. Finely chop shrimp, crabmeat and fish fillets in a pot of boiling water and cook for 2 minutes. PLace all in a blender and add vitamin tablets, flake food and peeled banana. (If contents become too pasty, add a small amount of water. If too watery, add more flakes.) Press into zipper bags and flatten to 1/4th thickness. Place in freezer.
2nd batch:
2 lb beef heart (remove fat/gristle)
3/4 shrimp (remove tail and shell)
3 tbl freeze dried krill
1 raw egg yolk
1 small Gerbie baby veggies
1/2 cup spirulina flake
1/4 cup wheat germ
1 tbl garlic powder
1 1/4 oz Knox gelatin
10 vitamins (Kent Zoe Freshwater Vitamins)
Double grind beef heart. Add and grind shrimp. Grind krill to powder in another bowl. Mix the knox gelatin in another bowl and follow directions on box. Now mix everything together. Press into zipper bags and flatten to 1/4th thickness. Place in freezer.
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I am rolling ronrca. :D :D
Behind the dresser? The only thing behind my dresser is dust bunnies, and behind his is stinky socks that missed the laundry basket. Do you think they would be of any nutritional value? hmmmmmm ammonia? :idea2: fishless cycle?
anyway you are a riot..
Julz
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My basic recipe:
1 beef heart, well trimmed, cut into cubes
2-3 frozen whiting filets, skin removed, cut into cubes
4 cloves of fresh garlic, finely minced
1 jar baby food banana
1 spirulina capsule, sprinkled over mixture
1 B-complex vitamin crushed and sprinkled over mixture
1 packet of Knox gelatin
I use a hand-grinder and grind the heart twice.
Next grind the whiting and mix in with heart.
Mix in garlic and run through grinder again.
Add banana, spirulina,and vitamin and mix very well.
Make up Knox with hot water according to package directions. Let cool. Add just enough Knox to have a smooth mixture, not soupy! Spread out between wax paper to desired thickness and freeze.
Break apart and keep in zipper freezer bags.
This is what I always use. I do add other things like dried krill, and shrimp when I have them.
HTH ;D
Lynn
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Hi Lynn,
My mini food processer after making three times beef heart. It can not chop the meat very well. So right now I'm thinking to buy a hand grinder. There is a brand called universal. It has three hole sizes (3/16,1/8,5/16). Which size you are useing?
GARY
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Hi Gary,
My meat grinder is ancient!! lol ! No hole openings, just attachments that fit over the end that resemble propellers.
The one that does a coarse grind has 3 blades, the fine one has 12 blades.
In your case, I'd start with 5/16 and then go to 3/16.
HTH! ;D
Lynn
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Hi Al, Feel free to publish
I mix up a lot at a time:
2 large beef heart trimmed of fat and cubed (about 8-10 lbs)
5 lbs shrimp, shelled
5 lbs whiting fillet (any firm white meat fillet will do)
1 lb frozen green peas
1 lb frozen spinach
4 bulbs fresh garlic, pressed (not 4 cloves the whole thing)
1/4 box wheat germ
1/4 box baby oatmeal cereal
20 organic multi vitamins, crushed
10 Vitamin C, crushed
1/4 to 1/2 lb Spirulina flake food
3 or more bananas (Those black ones you just end up throwing away.)
I run all this thru a meat grinder 4-5 times until it has the consistency of gritty peanut butter and then place in baggies, press flat and freeze, no gelatin, no cooking. The oatmeal, wheat germ and flake food make it hold together.
Almost any seafood can be added
The last batch I made I used 8 venison hearts because I save them until the end of hunting season and find they do not have to be trimmed as they are very lean and seem to be easier to grind.
I mix up two bags of medicated food when I do this, one with Prazi and one with Metro so I have it when I need it.
This make about 20 to 25 lbs of food and last me a month.
This is my main food, I also feed frozen bloodworms, cichlid pellets, cichlid growth flakes, color flakes and spirilina flakes.
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Great recipe & I think that your idea for the medicated food is very thoughtful.
Much appreciated : Jim
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that Metro should not be added to food that is not going to be served straight away as moisture deteriorates metro over time and decreases it's effectiveness.
That's why I always mix my metro in just before I feed it to them. Please comment...
Chong
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Hi, As long as it is frozen it still seems to work fine, If I am wrong someone please correct me. I got the suggestion from Vickie Burnley from the Specific Pathogen Free Aquaculture Center at the University of Georgia Vet. School.
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Interesting... hmm
One other thing, what the heck is Knox Gelatin?
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Hi, I talked with Vickie and as long as the food is kept frozen the metro remains good. :) Ken
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Ken: your food
Hi Ken, your recipy looks balanced. I try to calculate the proteins, fats and carbohydrates of it. How much would be 1/4 box of wheat germ or oat cereal, approx.? In Finnland boxes are typically 600-1000 grams, although I buy oatmeal cereal (for our family breakfast !) in 2 kg packs. Oatmeal porridge, frozen self-picked blueberries, rasberries and lingonberries (wild not culticated). Keeps me going!
Jouni
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Knox-Gelatin is an unflavored gelatin. Knox is the brand if I remember correctly. Can be found near the Jello in a grocery store :)
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Hi Jouni, I looked at the boxes and they are 1 lb so I use 1/4 lb or so. I don't measure it, just add as I go until I get the consistency I am looking for. When I feed it breaks off as a nice solid chunk and sits on the bottom of the tank until the fish eat it all. Does not fall apart or cloud the water. Ken
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I am looking for a complete beef heart recipe , but I need to
make up small batches, only have 6 fish. Also need to know
best way to freeze without freezer burn , yet easy to feed.
Again only have 6 fish, but they deserve the best !
Thanks,
Steve
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I have a totally different recipe!
Get Keys, take car, go to fish shop, buy Beefheart Mix
Get in car, Go Home, put Beefheart in Freezer, get a big smooch from wifey, because I didnt *&%$ her kitchen!
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This sounds like an experienced discus keeper who has been down this road before........ ;D
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can you people tell me where I can get all this stuff?
3 cups ground beef heart/veal heart
2 cups HBH meat lovers flakes
1 cup HBH Discus and Angel flake
2 oz formula one marine
4 crushed womens one a day vitamens
6 calcium citrate +Vit D suppliments . crushed
4 tablespoons yellow cornmeal
2 tablespoons paprika
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:-\ :-\Is it suppose to look like cow poop???? :-\ :-\
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Hi Gary,
If it looks like Cow poop it may be too processed. Shoot for a HORSE POOP LIKE TEXTURE! ;) ;D
-AL
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LOL, Horse poop is right. :) Mine tends to be chunky. Some pieces are to big for small fish and have to be vacumed out, The adults eat everything.
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Could I translate into your food recipies and put it on my site?
Would you mind?
MrHW
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My formula is mainly chicken liever and heart:
1kg chicken liever and heart
0.5Kg mussels
0.2kg spinacks (I boil them)
2 Carrots (also boiled)
0.25kg shrimp
8 Calamari rings
2 egg yolk (boiled)
60 drops of a baby multivitamine complex
1 garlic
I grind all this and frozen in thin plaques between aluminium foils.
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Ok, excuse my ignorence but after it is made and frozen, how does it get fed to the fish. Throw it is frozen or do you thaw a little at a time and feed it to them room temp. Or maybe saute with fava beans and a nice Chianti :P
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Well I feed my beefheart frozen. I am not sure about others but I just throw the frozen cube in and as it starts to melt in the warm water the fish attack it and pull it apart. I know there are some who defrost it first but I have always feed it frozen. I also feed the blood worms frozen.
Ann
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I break a piece and wait a few minutes until it gets a paste.
I drink the wine myself.
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likoma, just a note you may not be aware of: boiling removes most nutrients from vegetables, you may want to try just straight grinding it or using a cheese grater type contraption,
thanks to everyone for the recipe ideas, very useful, going to try knock something up now :)
take care,
Luca.
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I boil some ingredients to be able to get them soft. I have found that any hard small piece of carrot is refused by the discus. If boiled it is softer and can be converted into a paste instead of granules.
I will try to grind the carrots and the spinachs to a fine powder and not having to boil them.