Have someone tried feeding raw Lamb heart to their discus as beefheart is not allowed to be sold in the market but lambheart is :confused:
Any idea if it is okay?
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Have someone tried feeding raw Lamb heart to their discus as beefheart is not allowed to be sold in the market but lambheart is :confused:
Any idea if it is okay?
I would guess it to be fine... all mammalian heart meat is essentially the same.... just be sure to clean it well of all visible fat and connective tissue.
hth,
al
People from regions of the world where lamb and goat are common food fare for humans and have used these hearts for discus mixes have reported that both are too greasy/oily for use in their discus mixes. They use pig heart because beef is not readily available.
Mat
well forget pig...its fully banned as well
Mat,
I have no idea if its too greasy as I haven't used it... but a look at the nutritional content of raw lamb heart vs raw Calf heart its not too different,.. Maybe the cleaning of the Meat was the issue or the diet fed the meat...? who knows...
Heres some quick stats I found...I'm sure theres probably other ones out there that differ... looks like 2 gms fat verses 1 gram in calve hearts....that kind of difference could easily be cleaning, IMO.
Nutrition Facts grams kg lb. mg oz.
1oz
Lamb Heart-Raw
Calories 35 Calories from Fat 20 % Daily Value Total Fat 2g 3% Saturated Fat 1g 5% Trans Fat 0g Cholesterol 38mg 13% Sodium 25mg 1% Total Carbohydrate 0g 0% Dietary Fiber 0g 0% Sugars 0g Protein 5g 10% Vitamin A (IU) 0 0% Vitamin C 1mg 2% Calcium 2mg 0% Iron 1mg 6%
and Calf heart...
Nutrition Facts grams kg lb. mg oz.
1 oz
Beef Calf Heart-Raw
Calories 32 Calories from Fat 10 % Daily Value Total Fat 1g 2% Saturated Fat 0g 0% Trans Fat 0g Cholesterol 0mg 0% Sodium 29mg 1% Total Carbohydrate 0g 0% Dietary Fiber 0g 0% Sugars 0g Protein 5g 10% Vitamin A (IU) 0 0% Vitamin C 2mg 3% Calcium 5mg 0% Iron 1mg 6%
source...http://recipemeat.com/www/xnt/tf/Cal...rt_Raw&fd=8948
-al
As a comparison...
Mat was right on the pork heart being a better choice than lamb.....same website same amount meat...
pork Heart-Raw
Calories 33 Calories from Fat 10 % Daily Value Total Fat 1g 2% Saturated Fat 0g 0% Trans Fat 0g Cholesterol 37mg 12% Sodium 16mg 1% Total Carbohydrate 0g 0% Dietary Fiber 0g 0% Sugars 0g Protein 5g 10% Vitamin A (IU) 7 0% Vitamin C 2mg 3% Calcium 1mg 0% Iron 1mg 6%
How about Turkey...raw heart...1oz
Calories 33 Calories from Fat 10 % Daily Value Total Fat 1g 2% Saturated Fat 0g 0% Trans Fat 0g Cholesterol 43mg 14% Sodium 27mg 1% Total Carbohydrate 0g 0% Dietary Fiber 0g 0% Sugars 0g Protein 5g 10% Vitamin A (IU) 31 1% Vitamin C 1mg 2% Calcium 2mg 0% Iron 1mg 6%
Al,
My guess would be, from the above stats, that the fat content would be of a cellular level as opposed to external where trimming would remove most of it. It is showing twice the fat content.
I really don't recall if I read this in an Asian discus book or from the old forums that were more multinational than we are here on Simply today.
Mat
What about chicken liver?
I suppose we should probably also take into account what else is the mix... many use shrimp in their mix...so I guess you could offset the fat content here by increasing the amount of shrimp if the values are of concern(shrimp as very little fat)... and one wanted to feed heart meat yet was limited to lamb.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinShin
Glenn,
I've alway found liver to be a messy food in my mixes so I avoid it.
hth,
al
I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but to me from those stats BH seems to be the best all around:confused::confused:. At least when viewing fat, cholesterol, sodium, calcium and, protein.
If I was in your position I'd used it, but as Al mentioned I would offset the fats by using more seafood. I'd be beging testing by using 2-3 parts seafood like shrimp for every one part of lamb heart. See how it goes.
Or I'd be going straight to 100% seafood mix
Sorry if I am hi-jacking the thread, but isn't a high fat content supposed to be on of the factors to help fish grow? I thought high protein and fat was a good thing...
Yes, but the proper type of fat. Mammalian fat is what is called hard fat or tallow, undigestable by many fish, including discus. Fat indirectly aids in growth in that fat is used by the discus juveniles for energy, leaving the protein for mass (muscle) and skeletal building. Fat is easily converted to energy compared to protien.
Mat
Thanks very much for the explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinShin
Bringing this one back from the dead.
I just made some feed using mostly lamb heart and the fish love it.
There was lots of fat to chuck away. I chopped the heart pretty finely and then squeezed it through a potato ricer, don't tell my wife LOL I added a few squares of brine shrim, bloodworms and a few mashed peas. I finished it off with a smidge of crushed garlic. I gave it a rinse to get rid of the really fine stuff and then froze it.
I cant speak for its suitability, long term, but the fish have eaten it very enthusiastically.
Moral of the story is that they like lamb heart, suitable or not. I'm feeling optimistic about its usefulness :)