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Artificial Raising fry project (my first time)
Hi Guys,
This will be my first time trying to raise Discus artificially after loosing hope on the parents raise them lol. So I had two pairs(Red Turqs and Albino Alenquer x Curipera Cross) spawned past Sunday night(5/20/2018) and one set of eggs(Red Turqs) started Hatching last night(5/22) and the other pair eggs hatched over night.
Setup: So I'm setting up a 29g tank and will be floating 2 containers to hold bowls inside. Each container to hold separate batches.
Feeding: Will be adding Egg yolk mix after few hours from free swimming. I also am planning on adding bbs in little portions hoping they would start eating from day 1. Will be feeding every 4 hours, 10pm being the last and 6am being the earliest feeding followed by water changes.
Any expert advice will be appreciated. Here are some pictures, big batches of eggs hatched -
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Red Turqs -
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Albino Alenquer(male) x Curipera Cross (female)
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Sanjay,
Great looking stock!
Whats your plan for the egg yolk mix? Are you using a wet mix smeared.on the rim of tank? I know Cliff here uses egg yolk powder very successfully. I have always used Wattleys egg yolk recipe/technique.
Al
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brewmaster15
Sanjay,
Great looking stock!
Whats your plan for the egg yolk mix? Are you using a wet mix smeared.on the rim of tank? I know Cliff here uses egg yolk powder very successfully. I have always used Wattleys egg yolk recipe/technique.
Al
Thanks Al :)
I was initially planning on going with egg yolk powder. But only place that has it here, sells it by 1lb lol(too much for me for a project I'm not sure of). So this is the plan and I'm sure it was Cliff's comment I read somewhere as a replacement for powder- I will hard boil a egg and press the yolk through a fine mesh so I get powdered(kind of) yolk I will then mix some raw yolk and spirulina powder and a pinch of zooplankton flake(powdered) that I have lying in my fish room.
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That sounds alot like the wattley recipe I use. 1 egg yolk raw.. 1 egg yolk from hard boiled and add spirulina powder, I also added powdered krill. It makes a tar like paste.. this you smear above the waterline thinly and let dry 15-20 mins... then raise the water line to the food. Its labor intensive and you need to change the water every 3-4 hours for the next 2 days or so then switch them over to bbs. Many have had success with just going with bbs from the start. Theres a strain of the, the ones from san francisco bay , that are supposed to be smaller than the salt lake strains....those may account for the success.
hth,
Al
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Thanks Al :)
I don't have Krill powder but I have zooplankton flakes from Brineshrimpdirect. Can I powder that and add ?
This is how I smeared I did it all over the place ... But I follow what you said for day 2 on how to apply the egg mix. Luckily I do have the San Francisco Bay brand I will start adding that from Day 3.
I'm currently fed them 4 times today. Will up the feeding more tomorrow.
Pictures from today -
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Sanjay, next time around wait to feed them until they are swimming. If they are clumped together they wont eat as they are living off their yolk sacs.
hth,
Al
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Your a little ahead of feeding
Start feeding the yolk on Sunday.Otherwise it's looking good.
Cliff
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I cannot offer any advice as I have never been in your situation but none-the-less this is a great thread to follow...all the best to you Sanjay! Nice adult pairs btw!
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brewmaster15
Sanjay, next time around wait to feed them until they are swimming. If they are clumped together they wont eat as they are living off their yolk sacs.
hth,
Al
I guess you are right Al ! But this project has been a good learning point for me. Still have about 200+ fry combined. Will try me best to save them.
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CliffsDiscus
Your a little ahead of feeding
Start feeding the yolk on Sunday.Otherwise it's looking good.
Cliff, I will take your advise. I will stop feeding them now. Will focus only on clean water. What I'm mainly confused is I see some free swimming(or maybe my assumption of free swimming is wrong?)When I see some fry swimming around on the surface, I consider that free swimming with majority of them still clumped (yesterday, day 1 of feeding).
Tomorrow can I start feeding bbs ? or would you recommend egg yolk mix ?
Cliff
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danotaylor
I cannot offer any advice as I have never been in your situation but none-the-less this is a great thread to follow...all the best to you Sanjay! Nice adult pairs btw!
Thanks Daniel! I hope this thread to be useful to anyone in the hobby. Like the mistakes I did already lol.
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Shout out to Al Castro for guiding me with this project.
My attempt 2 is a big hit !!!
With over 100+ fry and only loosing 7 during in this process I think is a big hit
Here is a pic of fry from Day 5 free swimming-
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They are being fed 5 times a day with bbs only.
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Looking good Sanjay!:)
al
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brewmaster15
Looking good Sanjay!:)
al
Thanks Al :)
Big thanks to you and Cliff for pointing out on how I started feeding them early in my Attempt 1. This time I waited till the 7th day, from the day they hatched.
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Parents for these fry -
Albino Alenquer(male) x Curipera Cross (female)
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Awesome,
Check out with a closer look there are couple with bent or curly tail.
Cliff
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nice work...stunning pair as well! keep at it mate!!
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CliffsDiscus
Awesome,
Check out with a closer look there are couple with bent or curly tail.
Cliff
Thanks Cliff, I didn’t notice until you pointed out. Now the fry are 2 days older from the pic and I don’t see any with bent spine. But I’ll keep my eye for them. Thank you :)
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danotaylor
nice work...stunning pair as well! keep at it mate!!
Thanks Daniel :) I’m very interested to see how the fry will turn out to look like.
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Fry are doing great :)
1 week old -
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2 weeks old. I did loose a few, some died of bloat and some of their tails got eaten by other fry..
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Still over 80+ healthy fry growing at good rate.
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Sanjay they are looking really good. Keep up the great work with them.
al
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brewmaster15
Sanjay they are looking really good. Keep up the great work with them.
al
Thanks Al :)
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Trying to get an idea of the size of 2week old discus, so is that a straw in the 2nd and 4th picture? Really incredible how fast they grow.
Patty
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Your hard work is paying off. The proof can be seen that artificial raising Discus
can grow faster than parental raised
Please keep us posted on your progress.
Cliff
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Pices
Trying to get an idea of the size of 2week old discus, so is that a straw in the 2nd and 4th picture? Really incredible how fast they grow.
Patty
Yes, it is a straw :)
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CliffsDiscus
Your hard work is paying off. The proof can be seen that artificial raising Discus
can grow faster than parental raised
Please keep us posted on your progress.
Cliff
Thanks Cliff! wife and I are doing our best on this batch :) I will keep it posted.
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Wow, never seen growth like that before! Can you place a penny next to those fry so we can get a point of reference?
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Ben, here you go-
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Just took the picture.
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This is really incredible to watch. Thanks for sharing this Sanjay. Truly amazing.
Patty
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Pices
This is really incredible to watch. Thanks for sharing this Sanjay. Truly amazing.
Patty
Thanks Patty :) was so much fun growing them from eggs stage. Definitely was a lot of work..
Here is a pic at 1 month old, babies in the background are from different pair(melons)-
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Congratulations and great job my friend, thanks for the shout out
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alcastro
Congratulations and great job my friend, thanks for the shout out
Thanks Al :) I wouldn't have done it without your tips !
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Moved them to a 75g tank along with another batch from melons.
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Wow, this is really incredible to see. I can’t get over how much they’ve grown. Beautiful fish Sanjay!
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Pices
Wow, this is really incredible to see. I can’t get over how much they’ve grown. Beautiful fish Sanjay!
Thanks Patty :)
Can't wait to see these guys grow.
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sanjay21
Thats interesting... the lower fry Looks like a pigeon or golden. Not what I would have expected. By this size you can see distinct differences easy.. Do you see any real differences in the fry Sanjay?
al
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brewmaster15
Thats interesting... the lower fry Looks like a pigeon or golden. Not what I would have expected. By this size you can see distinct differences easy.. Do you see any real differences in the fry Sanjay?
al
I almost replied to an earlier post about culling the smaller ones, but this is why I didn't. Not all the ones that grow a bit slower are runts, and sometimes they are ones that have interesting phenotypes within the group. I've tried to encourage those when I can, just to see what the turn into.
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brewmaster15
Thats interesting... the lower fry Looks like a pigeon or golden. Not what I would have expected. By this size you can see distinct differences easy.. Do you see any real differences in the fry Sanjay?
al
That's right they are pigeons :) I did mention that in my post that there are fry from melons. They are about 7-10 days apart so the difference in growth, melon babies were raised by the parents and the brown based ones were raised artificially.
I really liked the outcome of how this turned out, I will shoot a video soon on this tank so we all can see what I'm talking about :)
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RogueDiscus
I almost replied to an earlier post about culling the smaller ones, but this is why I didn't. Not all the ones that grow a bit slower are runts, and sometimes they are ones that have interesting phenotypes within the group. I've tried to encourage those when I can, just to see what the turn into.
I have seen almost no culls in the batch I raised artificially all looked healthy, some are smaller than the rest which I think is common and would wait to see how they catch up.
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Great job so far Sanjay...do you have any pics of the golden pair?
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danotaylor
Great job so far Sanjay...do you have any pics of the golden pair?
Thanks Daniel, I did open a thread for the other melons pair-
In the thread I mentioned Golden Rafflesia, but I learnt that its a yellow panada(female).
http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...lden-Rafflesia
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Sanjay,
So the larger baby in the photo is the artificially raised discus?
Patty
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sanjay21
That's right they are pigeons :) I did mention that in my post that there are fry from melons. They are about 7-10 days apart so the difference in growth, melon babies were raised by the parents and the brown based ones were raised artificially.
I really liked the outcome of how this turned out, I will shoot a video soon on this tank so we all can see what I'm talking about :)
I have seen almost no culls in the batch I raised artificially all looked healthy, some are smaller than the rest which I think is common and would wait to see how they catch up.
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Pices
Sanjay,
So the larger baby in the photo is the artificially raised discus?
Patty
Patty, that's right! Larger ones were artificially raised. They are also about a week older than the ones(melons) raised by parents.