They were sold to me as Manacapuru blues, but then it was pointed out that that isn't what they looked like at all and looked more cuipuras (bad spelling I know), which were the only other discus received by the supplier at the time. It was speculated that the wrong fish were sent to me, but either way I was happy. The females seem to turn that really bold red colour when spawning. The female of pair 2 is pretty much identical. As much as I like them, they are frustrating me lol. I guess though, I have to admit that several months ago I was frustrated when they wouldn't pair up and spawn, so I'm at least a step or two closer :)