Not so nice topic

[pcsb23]

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[Chicago Discus]

Good morning guys still haven't heard back from the scientist but I get my MS222 today, I dont really have anything to cull but when I do I will post my findings. Lets try to keep it about the topic please.....Josie

[Chicago Discus]

Hello... this is MS Miranda here. We had to cull the large Piwowarski Red Turk today. He had jumped out of the tank yesterday and was on the ground for an indeterminate amount of time. We returned him to the tank, hoping that he could recover. He put up a valiant struggle, but this morning he was lying on his side on the bottom of the tank. There was nothing more we could do for him. I used Tricaine methosulfonate (MS-222). The recommended dosage for euthanasia is 300-400 ppm in the bath. One teaspoon is approximately 2 grams. I used a half teaspoon MS-222 in 2 liters of water, which is an overdose. It also took about a half teaspoon of baking soda to adjust the pH to neutral. I gently placed our beautiful Red Turk in this bath, and he went to sleep very peacefully within less than a minute. This was very effective, and definitely the most humane way that I have ever used to cull one of our discus. I hope this helps. Miranda Miller

[mmorris]

I'm sorry to hear he didn't make it. Do you recommend MS - 222 over clove oil? If so, why?

[Chicago Discus]

I'm sorry to hear he didn't make it. Do you recommend MS - 222 over clove oil? If so, why?

she's downstairs in the fish-room but I will try to answer, the clove oil takes to long and large amounts to overdose. Studies were done on clove oil and it has no nerve blocking affects so the animal still feels the pain. The MS222 is extremely fast and has nerve blocking agents so the animal feels no pain......Josie

[mmorris]

the clove oil takes to long and large amounts to overdose. Studies were done on clove oil and it has no nerve blocking affects so the animal still feels the pain.

Can you supply a link? It is well known to numb nerves, which is why it is used traditionally as a short term toothache remedy. I add clove oil slowly so as not to stress the fish but it only takes a very few minutes to kill. Seven or eight drops does it.

[Discoholic]

Josie, I just learned today that clove oil has been approved by the FDA for use in aquaculture. The therapeutic grade is sold under the name Aqui-S. I still agree with you that MS222 is a better option for euthanizing fish.

[Chicago Discus]

[Crystalwaters]

Thanks for the videos Josie, I ended up visiting the youtube page and found a few other interesting videos. Again, so sorry about your jumper

[mmorris]

The videos were about sedating fish so that people can do procedures on them, and so one really does need to block the pain. I hate to guess what some of those procedures may be. Why are we concerned with blocking pain when euthanizing with clove oil anyway? Where is the pain coming from? The fish appear to go quietly with clove oil unless a lot is used in the first place and then the fish will jump. Clove oil is inexpensive and can be purchased on line.

[Chicago Discus]

The videos were about sedating fish so that people can do procedures on them, and so one really does need to block the pain. I hate to guess what some of those procedures may be. Why are we concerned with blocking pain when euthanizing with clove oil anyway? Where is the pain coming from? The fish appear to go quietly with clove oil unless a lot is used in the first place and then the fish will jump. Clove oil is inexpensive and can be purchased on line.

Martha you can purchase MS222 online as well, the product works in seconds not minutes like clove oil. But use what you feel comfortable using this is just working for us.....Josie

http://www.wchemical.com/TRICAINE-S-MS-222-P43C7.aspx