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    Started introducing fish into my 125g (60"x18 deep x 24 tall) two days ago, and I saw a few lovely wild discus at the lfs that I couldn't resist! I bought two wild blue discus (from manacapuru supposedly), both about 6 inches and kind of fat, and one wild Heckel that is much smaller (and eats kind of like a juvenile too...about 4 inches maybe). The two wild blues are probably still getting used to the aquarium, since they haven't bothered or shown aggression towards each other or the Heckel yet. The wild blues are with each other all the time, but never seek out the Heckel. The Heckel, on the other hand, seems to crave their attention because it tries to swim with the wild blues but the love is not reciprocated. The wild blues don't seek companionship from the Heckel like the Heckel seeks out the wild blues. Wonder if it's a size difference issue or just not the same species issue? They will be the only fish in the aquarium for the next two months (along with a 2 inch stunted domestic juvie from another tank as a canary) until I see how they do.

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    Broke down and added a Heckel friend.

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    Nice looking tank and wilds. Heckels usually do keep to their own kind, which is why most of us keep Heckels only tanks...Bill

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    Thanks. I may be anthropomorphizing a bit, but it seems to me the Heckels are always following the two blues, but the blues don't really seek out the Heckels. The blues are a bit snooty.

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    Looks nice. What kind of sand do you have?

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    I used Petco's white aquarium sand. It's supposedly safe for fresh and saltwater. I also used a lot less than recommended (I used 60 lb for 125g rather than 2 lb per gallon) just for a thin layer except in planted areas. Not really knowledgeable about sand, but vacuuming with the python is not as hard as the staff suggested. Also it's very white...every poop will show up. Happy holidays!

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    I was looking at that sand too because mine is silica based. How does it affect your pH? Did it rise to 8 or more? My tap is about 7.2. I was afraid the swing would be a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myofibroblast View Post
    I used Petco's white aquarium sand. It's supposedly safe for fresh and saltwater. I also used a lot less than recommended (I used 60 lb for 125g rather than 2 lb per gallon) just for a thin layer except in planted areas. Not really knowledgeable about sand, but vacuuming with the python is not as hard as the staff suggested. Also it's very white...every poop will show up. Happy holidays!

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    I use the same sand from PETCO, and it is WHITE. I had mixed it in with my Carribsea sand, because I did not want to spend more on another bag of Carribsea, because that's just crazy/stupid money for a sack of sand! It's a bit courser, but because of that, easier to keep clean. I have a small layer of it in my Heckel tank...Bill

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    OC Discus: I haven't noticed any measurable change in my water's pH and KH/GH after it has been in the tank (per API masterkit). Our municipal water is quite soft with fairly low TDS (around 40 ppm per last quarter's report) but pH is around 7.4 out of the tap (I suspect chemically elevated to prevent erosion of the city pipes). I have noticed some upward drift of the conductivity from 90microS to 100 microS over two days, but I think this is from the root tabs rather than sand. KH did not change as above. If anything, my water gets slightly more acidic from 7.4->7.2 (low buffering capacity tap water, organics, wood stuff, etc) according to the very easily discernible API colorimetric "pretty green" and "maybe less green" scale (sarcasm).

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    OC Discus: The original Heckel (Pineapple) is fine. The new Heckel friend I introduced last week seems to prefer following the blues, and the two Heckels don't seem to be excited about each other. They are definitely ravenous pigs, and they nudge each other out of the way when eating. The bigger blues are dainty eaters...they take their time to pick things off the sand. Hopefully I'm not overfeeding the Heckels and underfeeding the blues.

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    With a mixture of good foods, they should all get enough. Someone said you can't over feed the fish but you can over feed the tank. Your tank seems big enough to handle it.

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    OC Discus: The original Heckel (Pineapple) is fine. The new Heckel friend I introduced last week seems to prefer following the blues, and the two Heckels don't seem to be excited about each other. They are definitely ravenous pigs, and they nudge each other out of the way when eating. The bigger blues are dainty eaters...they take their time to pick things off the sand. Hopefully I'm not overfeeding the Heckels and underfeeding the blues.

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    Hope so! I feed enough that all food are gone from the sand in 30min. Sometimes I like to feed slowly by piecemeal with a pair of plant tongs and nothing makes it to the sand. I like to watch them eat and observe who's eating and who isn't.

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    Almost 2 weeks, I think they are settling in but still getting used to the bright LED plant light. The two wild Heckels are not good friends with each other *sad face*. I'm still waiting for the bars to come back on the wild blues.

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    Nice looking fish.
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    Very nice tank and fish. I like the sand and it looks like a simple but effective planted setup. The discus are active and seem to enjoy their surroundings. Congrats!

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