sick fish heavily planted tank need advice

[Kingcolt]

New to discus and worried for their health, I have a heavily planted tank with several verities of fish in the tank and some of the fish are sick.
looking for the best advice on how to proceed.

posting video and info, if any other details needed just let me know.

-tank details

show tank size 150 gal.
sump tank 40 gal breeder
pump fluval sp6 "after head room about 1500 gph"
2 500 gph jet "only use periodically to stir the junk off the bottom"
35 watt uv sterilizer turbo twist " running 170 gph "
keep the tank around 82-84 degrees
aquatic-lite - 3 stage timer, 12 bulb t5 ho

ammonia, nitrate, nitrite, 0
ph 7.4
Water slightly hard

-fish

Update ich has returned after turning temp down a few degrees.

5 discus
"1 is clamping fins and turning black hides often, not eating"
"1 has a small spot on top fin, eating"
"1 looks fine but is hiding often, haven't seen eat"
"1 has a few spots of ich, turn black some times, eating"
Other hides some times eating normally
2 electric blue jack dempsey "1 has ich, not very active, not eating"
3 german blue rams
2 leopard leaf fish
2 acaras
1 veil angel "some kind of fungus growing on fins, eating"
3 kribensis
1 rope fish
1 bichir
2 hillstream sucker loaches
2 kuhli loaches
5 sepra tetras
4 Siemens algae eaters
1 black skirt
3 platies

in sump several snail have appeared im guessing from plants

-food
frozen blood worms
frozen beef hearts
Dr.g anti bacteral frozen food
Dr.g d-wormer frozen food
xtreme pellets "fish dont seem to eat since started frozen food"

normally feed 2 times a day small amont in the am slightly more at night.

feed medicated food when ever adding new fish

-tank maintenance
ever Wednesday I fully clean the tank removing as much junk from planted areas as possible. normally doing around 50% water change of show tank, along with cleaning all filtration.

Do not age water
Do not use r/o water

Using stress coat+ to treat new water.
I let the water fill the tank slowly over about 45 - 60 min.

since i have gotten the discus i have been doing additional water changes of about 20% ever 2 -3 days on top of the 50% once a week.

-medication used
Treating for ich. with rapid cure for 2 weeks doing water changes every other day

started using melaflex for fungus growth on the angel fish.

Have pimafix but havent used it yet.

Will post better pics tomorrow
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[Filip]

Hi devic and welcome to the forum.
How many discus do you have and how old are they?
When did you introduce them in to your tank ? Did they get sick right away from the start?
Are you sure its ich and not just discus pimples from a bad water quallity?
I would start with quarantining the sick discus in a QT tank and change +80% water daily along with poop siphoning, filter cleaning and regular glass wiping.
See how it goes for a week or two and than proceed with medications only if needed.
Most of the health problems discus have are usually related with not sufficient water quallity and most of them can be solved with just lots of clean and fresh water .

In meanwhile start reading the stickies in the begginer section for proper discus keeping and watch the video from the stickies .

Good luck Devic.

[Kyla]

if u get the discus back into shape i would recommend also considering the removal of some of those other fish. ie i wouldnt mix jack dempseys with discus, hillstream loaches like cooler temps, and every pair of kribs i have kept have turned vicious when breeding.

[Phillydubs]

Sounds like you added new fish over and over with no qt at all.

I'm pretty sure ich doesn't survive at the temps you have listed so I have to agree with flip that it's not that. You also seek to be just throwing meds in hoping something will work on top of feeding medicated food. Again I agree with flip multiple meds are just going to weaken and kill your fish anyway.

You really need to start doing big fuly water changes.

Have you tested your water from the tap and again after 24 hrs ? You may want to age your water

[Kingcolt]

I do have a 20 gal but the heater only goes to 76 currently not set up

[Kingcolt]

Correct I did not qt any fish. However quickly learning this was a mistake.

Start with 3 discus 3 weeks ago add 2 more to stop fighting a week later.

1 discus 4-5 inches
2 discus 3-4 inches
2 discus 2-3 inches

[Kingcolt]

Forgot to mention everything seemed fine did a 50%water change cleaned the tank went to the pet store got the discus. When i returned I then noticed 2 white spot on the sick Jack. I had also jist turned the tank back down a few degrees. I called the pet store he told me to go ahead a put the discus in and start medicated food treament.

[Akili]

Forgot to mention everything seemed fine did a 50%water change cleaned the tank went to the pet store got the discus. When i returned I then noticed 2 white spot on the sick Jack. I had also jist turned the tank back down a few degrees. I called the pet store he told me to go ahead a put the discus in and start medicated food treament.

First order of business would be the ending of any dealings with that kind of pet store that ill advises.82F to 84 F is the recommended temperature for Discus unless required for other reasons as needed.Get you self a decent heater for the 20 gallon tank and start to quarantine the Discus. Do 100% water change twice a day on it. If they need medication then follow instructions as advised by some knowledgeable members of this site Next strip down the 150 gallon and the sump tank and sterilize everything and start all over again with a bare bottom tank. I may sound a little harsh but get rid of all the dither fish or house them separately. Someone New to discus should a done a bit of homework.Your homework assignment is go through the stickies’ in the Beginners Section and watch this video https://youtu.be/VXe3VKh7qF8 It really is like the discus bible around here. Launching yourself into discus particularly in a planted set-up, which can, and many a times it does, produce very disappointing results for novices.

P.S. A must read thread form the beginner section http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...ed-with-Discus

[Kingcolt]

I watched that video. It's how i discovered I messed up big time.
Also all the discus ate today except my smallest 1 he looks healthy but hides a lot. Blue diamond i think

[Akili]

I watched that video. It's how i discovered I messed up big time.
Also all the discus ate today except my smallest 1 he looks healthy but hides a lot. Blue diamond i think

Now that you know you messed up,you know where to begin and learn from that point forward.

[Kingcolt]

How do i go about sterilizing the tank just wipe everything down with alchol?

[Akili]

How do i go about sterilizing the tank just wipe everything down with alchol?

Follow post # 2 in this thread http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...t=bleach+ratio

[pitdogg2]

FYI nothing kills the white spot form of ICH not even bleach. I would take fish out turn up the heat to at least 90 degrees it will force the ICH to speed up its life cycle too fast to survive at this stage is when bleach will help.

my .02

[bluelagoon]

FYI nothing kills the white spot form of ICH not even bleach. I would take fish out turn up the heat to at least 90 degrees it will force the ICH to speed up its life cycle too fast to survive at this stage is when bleach will help.

my .02

I have had great success in killing the ich parasite using heat at 86-90.86 seems to be the magic number.Some use a combination of heat and salt.Usually wipes them out within days but the recommended treatment is 2 weeks.

[pitdogg2]

I have had great success in killing the ich parasite using heat at 86-90.86 seems to be the magic number.Some use a combination of heat and salt.Usually wipes them out within days but the recommended treatment is 2 weeks.

Yes I completely agree with you on this. It has been my preferred method for years. Then again I cannot remember the last time I used it.