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    Default Re: small discus hatchery , ready to throw in the towel , due to gill flukes !

    Quote Originally Posted by Altum Nut View Post
    Sorry your having this issue klr-dude. You should talk to Jarmila at AngelFins in Guelph and see if she has a contact with University Of Guelph as Al recommended. Jarmila carries meds https://angelfins.ca/index.php?main_...7a46e1979c2a0f

    Hope you sort out your issues without having to close shop.

    ...Ralph
    i used to have a good relationship with the university of guelph , heck i knew some of the guys by name , they did some microscopy for me , nothing major , 5-10 min. of their time and i brought them sometimes coffee and doughnuts .
    but apparently there has been progress at the university of guelph .
    now they don't even want to talk to you ,"we don't do work for the public anymore " although they have no problem taking the public's tax money .
    so screw them !
    i never want to talk to these jack asses anymore , they are a waste of time .
    as far as i'm concerned they can defund the whole lot .

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    Default Re: small discus hatchery , ready to throw in the towel , due to gill flukes !

    thank you for your comment and you are right that it bothers me more than the fish , there is no question about it .
    however it bothers me to such an extend that i can't get rid of these little fookers , i would not have a cat or dog in my house if they had flees or lice .
    there is no other things that i know of , my water is perfect , they are actually beautiful fish any discus lover will see that at first glance .
    the thing is i have build this state of the art facility to do some breeding for my own recreation and now all the juveniles are stunted and in poor health and it bothers me .
    i did not go trough this just to have a few adults swim around , if i can't breed them it is not my hobby anymore , if you know what i mean , you go trough all that work , see them spawning fanning the eggs take care of their fry , you do your water changes grow baby brine shrimp in short a lot of work and dedication and 4 weeks after they are all swimming with their gills out and clearly suffering and that pisses me off , i don't want it to sound to bitter .
    i actually killed all the fish in my quarantine tank already to make space , and i am running bleach through it , but i'm not sure how to get any fish clean before i put them in .
    buying new stock is not an option , that is how i got it in the first place .

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    Default Re: small discus hatchery , ready to throw in the towel , due to gill flukes !

    Quote Originally Posted by klr-dude View Post
    i heard that salt does not kill gill flukes .
    so what is the point , transferring the fish with flukes from tank to tank ?
    i don't get it .
    Not sure were you heard that. Salt at .3% (2.4 teaspoons/gal of water) as a long term bath will absolutely kill adult flukes. You can also use a 3% salt solution (24 teaspoons/gal of water) as a dip for a few minutes.
    Salt won't kill eggs. That's why you have to treat for adult flukes, move the fish to a clean, sterile tank, and then nuke everything in the old tank.
    And you have to repeat this process every week or so for about 6 treatments.
    It's the whole theory behind Andrew Soh's treatment and why it works so well.
    Here's the link once again to his fluke treatment in case you want to review it.

    http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...409#post593409
    Last edited by smsimcik; 05-16-2018 at 04:18 PM.

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    Default Re: small discus hatchery , ready to throw in the towel , due to gill flukes !

    Quote Originally Posted by smsimcik View Post
    Not sure were you heard that. Salt at .3% (2.4 teaspoons/gal of water) as a long term bath will absolutely kill adult flukes. You can also use a 3% salt solution (24 teaspoons/gal of water) as a dip for a few minutes.
    Salt won't kill eggs. That's why you have to treat for adult flukes, move the fish to a clean, sterile tank, and then nuke everything in the old tank.
    And you have to repeat this process every week or so for about 6 treatments.
    It's the whole theory behind Andrew Soh's treatment and why it works so well.
    Here's the link once again to his fluke treatment in case you want to review it.

    http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...409#post593409
    +1
    I have done exactly that 7 month ago and so far no sign of any fluke.

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    Default Re: small discus hatchery , ready to throw in the towel , due to gill flukes !

    Correction ;
    I meant i did andrew soh's method using PP and so far very happy.

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    Default Re: small discus hatchery , ready to throw in the towel , due to gill flukes !

    Quote Originally Posted by smsimcik View Post
    Not sure were you heard that. Salt at .3% (2.4 teaspoons/gal of water) as a long term bath will absolutely kill adult flukes. You can also use a 3% salt solution (24 teaspoons/gal of water) as a dip for a few minutes.
    Salt won't kill eggs. That's why you have to treat for adult flukes, move the fish to a clean, sterile tank, and then nuke everything in the old tank.
    And you have to repeat this process every week or so for about 6 treatments.
    It's the whole theory behind Andrew Soh's treatment and why it works so well.
    Here's the link once again to his fluke treatment in case you want to review it.

    http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...409#post593409
    thank you for your input unfortunately i used up my last PP this morning and since i live in a socialist country (canada )i cant buy that anymore either .
    what i did is i went to the farm supply store and told them i wanted to buy 20 liters (5 gal.) of formaldehyde for the o'll cow farm , no problem whatsoever , good thing i have a country site address .
    sooooo , now i have formaldehyde 37% , i could use this to sterilize the system while the fish are in their temporary sterile tank .
    also salt is not prohibited yet .
    i have two grow out tanks 450 liters each and i can install 2 sponge filters and a heater as a clean tank .
    i have 22 adult fish (11 pair ) and about 50 nice juveniles that i really want to keep for future breeding .
    it will be crowded but i can do 50% water change 2 times per day .
    i'm undecided what would be better use formaldehyde or bleach to clean the fluke eggs out of my system , your opinion would be appreciated , since i can not find what kills the eggs with certainty .
    bleach would be hard to get rid off i suppose .

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    Default Re: small discus hatchery , ready to throw in the towel , due to gill flukes !

    Bleach would be my choice to sterilize your tanks and equipment. It's not that hard to get rid of. Just rinse everything with water and let air dry for a few days to allow the chlorine to evaporate. You can also use a dechlorinator when you refill the tanks if you are worried about residual chlorine.
    Formaldehyde probably would work on fluke eggs but I'm not sure what the dosage would be. Be careful handling it. It can burn your skin and mucous membranes. It's also carcinogenic. I'm surprised you can get formaldehyde in the socialist republic of Canada but can't get PP. Formaldehyde 37% is relatively more dangerous than PP to handle. In the US, formaldehyde is much more difficult to obtain than PP.
    Good luck with your treatment. You sound like you have a really nice breeding operation going and are dedicated to preserving it. You should try to post pictures if you get a chance.
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    Default Re: small discus hatchery , ready to throw in the towel , due to gill flukes !

    Quote Originally Posted by smsimcik View Post
    Bleach would be my choice to sterilize your tanks and equipment. It's not that hard to get rid of. Just rinse everything with water and let air dry for a few days to allow the chlorine to evaporate. You can also use a dechlorinator when you refill the tanks if you are worried about residual chlorine.
    Formaldehyde probably would work on fluke eggs but I'm not sure what the dosage would be. Be careful handling it. It can burn your skin and mucous membranes. It's also carcinogenic. I'm surprised you can get formaldehyde in the socialist republic of Canada but can't get PP. Formaldehyde 37% is relatively more dangerous than PP to handle. In the US, formaldehyde is much more difficult to obtain than PP.
    Good luck with your treatment. You sound like you have a really nice breeding operation going and are dedicated to preserving it. You should try to post pictures if you get a chance.
    yes it is a nice system , everybody that has seen it says it's one of the best they have seen .
    i dont know how to post pictures .
    i can ask somebody else i guess .
    like i said i told them i was a dairy farmer , insane that you cant buy 16 aunces in the aquarium store but 20 liters (5 gal )is ok .

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