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    Off the subject again,sorry.You are more apt to get growth hormones from beef heart than chicken.They do inject cattle with a hormone pellet right behind their ears.Maybe that's why discus grow so good using BH."just a brain fart".

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    Staying off topic for you, Mervin. I know a bit about beef production. The hormone pellets are put in the steers while they are still young. Bu the time the animals are ready for slaughter the hormones have done their job and are totally worm out.

    Thinking that our beef contains hormones is akin to believing that a woman who quits taking birth control pills should be unable to conceive.
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    Our TV commercials don't tell us the hole truth then.Our dairy products now as a label stating it is Canadian grown which makes it hormone free,since the free trade tariffs agreement on dairy products with the US recently.I guess it's maybe the Canadian farmer/producers just say it that way so we don't buy US dairy products.

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    Default Re: can 2 fish be put together and form a pair?

    Quote Originally Posted by brewmaster15 View Post
    Jay you can mix any male and female Discus together in a tank and if they are sexually mature, and healthy and the water parameters are good they will pair up. It may take awhile though.
    How old are the fish and has anyone actually laid eggs yet?

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    Hi Al
    They are aprox. a 1yr.-9 mts old. About a year ago 2 seem to pair off and
    did lay eggs but they were eaten by the others and since then, nothing.
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    Actually the hormone given to American dairy cows is given during lactation. I don't know enough about to to know whether or not is is present in their milk.
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    That's why I mentioned beef heart was more apt to have hormones than chicken.Some countries use that growth hormone to increase milk production.That's why it's best to drink Canadian milk vs USA milk;we do not add it to our milk cows.It does decrease sperm count in males that had mothers drinking these hormones added to dairy cows.I'm sure the heart and livers from these animals are used some how in the food industry.The extra estrogen in milk from lactating cows can make you moody and I drink a lot of it.

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    Default Re: can 2 fish be put together and form a pair?

    Quote Originally Posted by LizStreithorst View Post
    Thinking that our beef contains hormones is akin to believing that a woman who quits taking birth control pills should be unable to conceive.
    Great analogy Liz...that idea didn't play out for us either...2 precious red heads later

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    lol. That's cute. I'm sure the red heads are cute as well.
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    http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...ht=#post441874

    Here is a what fish that are fed hormone treated bH might look like.

    I was able to confirm that the BH I fed these fish had been treated with hormones. What kind of hormones they were giving the beef I don't know for sure, I just knew a person that worked in a feed lot that was providing beef to a large supermarket chain. The chain has since been bought by Kroger don't know if they still get beef from this feed lot.



    The main thing I saw was the fins got funky, you could see where the normal fin ended then it had a very thin extension on the fins. The extensions were very thin and would looked frayed all the time. Once I stopped feeding this BH the thin extensions went away within a few weeks.

    Here is the entire thread. http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...ht=#post441874
    Last edited by RickMay1; 12-02-2018 at 09:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickMay1 View Post
    http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...ht=#post441874

    Here is a what fish that are fed hormone treated bH might look like.

    I was able to confirm that the BH I fed these fish had been treated with hormones. What kind of hormones they were giving the beef I don't know for sure, I just knew a person that worked in a feed lot that was providing beef to a large supermarket chain. The chain has since been bought by Kroger don't know if they still get beef from this feed lot.



    The main thing I saw was the fins got funky, you could see where the normal fin ended then it had a very thin extension on the fins. The extensions were very thin and would looked frayed all the time. Once I stopped feeding this BH the thin extensions went away within a few weeks.

    Here is the entire thread. http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...ht=#post441874
    Yep I remember that thread. Its one of the few times we have had an example of what may have been an effect of hormones that we could see changing the expression of the fishes looks outside of color changes. Hormones are one of our dark spectres in the Hobby. We know that some sellers use them, we know they can cause premature color development, sterility, deformities in growth, buit its impossible for us to prove it in any one case or another.

    In Ricks case, I don't know of anything else that could have caused this except hormones or some other hormone mimicking/distruptor chemical exposure.

    btw, Anyone with interest in hormone pollution should look into Hormone Mimics, with all the man made chemicals out there, its scary how many act as hormones in living systems or as distruptors..

    A small sampling....

    https://www.mnn.com/health/fitness-w...-to-avoid-them

    The Environmental Working Group (EWG) released one of its "Dirty Dozen" lists, this one with the goal of educating consumers about the worst offenders when it comes to endocrine-disrupters, or hormone-altering chemicals, commonly found in our environment and in our homes. Chemicals that affect or mimic human hormones can cause problems in all of the body's major system, leading to such diseases as high blood pressure, cancer, brain damage and infertility.

    Here are the Dirty Dozen Endocrine-Disrupters and what you can do to minimize your exposure, plus a bonus mention for another chemical to steer clear of.

    1. BPA. It's no surprise that BPA, or bisphenol-A, tops the EWG's list of endocrine disrupters. We've written about BPA's links to breast cancer, reproductive problems, obesity, asthma, tooth decay, early puberty and heart disease. This chemical, which is commonly found in plastics, mimics the hormone estrogen, wreaking havoc on the body's systems. What's worse, studies show that more than 90 percent of Americans have BPA in their bodies.

    Avoid it. The best ways to avoid BPA are to steer clear of plastics (particularly when it comes to food packaging choose fresh foods over canned; and opt for a glass or stainless steel water bottle instead of plastic.

    2. Dioxin. Dioxin is a byproduct of many industrial processes that involve combustion and it can also be created by natural causes such as volcanic eruptions or forest fires. Dioxins accumulate in the fatty tissues of animals and work their way up the food chain. Humans are primarily exposed through meat and dairy products, fish and shellfish. In the body, they can disrupt the signals of both male and female sex hormones, leading to such problems as infertility, nervous system disorders, skin lesions and cancer.

    Avoid it. Dioxin is tough to avoid because of its prevalence in the environment, but the best way to limit exposure is to reduce your consumption of meat, dairy products and fish.

    3. Atrazine. Atrazine is a commonly used agricultural herbicide. It does a great job of killing weeds but also happens to wreak havoc on the rest of the environment. It's sprayed on corn crops and easily finds its way into water sources for both humans and animals. Studies have found that even low levels of atrazine can turn male frogs into females. Atrazine has been linked to birth defects, breast tumors, delayed puberty and prostate disorders.

    Avoid it. Purchase a water filter to remove atrazine from your drinking water and buy organic produce to keep atrazine out of your house and out of the environment.

    4. Phthalates. Found in everything from nail polish to pacifiers to window blinds, phthalates are another ubiquitous chemical in the average household. They are chemical additives that do a great job at making plastics flexible but a not so great job of protecting human health. To date, phthalates have been linked to high blood pressure, ADHD, infertility, obesity, birth defects, thyroid dysfunction and diabetes.

    Avoid them: Avoid plastics with the recycling label #3 as these are made from PVC and likely contain phthalates. In the beauty aisle, check product labels and avoid any that list the ambiguous ingredient "fragrance," as this may mean the product contains hidden phthalates.

    5. Perchlorate. How did an ingredient found in rocket fuel and fireworks wind up in our water supply? The EPA decided in 2011 to regulate perchlorate according to the Safe Water Drinking Act, but prior to that, it was unregulated — which is why it is now found in the drinking water in 35 states as well as some vegetables and dairy products. Perchlorate may cause thyroid damage and developmental delays in babies.

    Avoid it. Use a reverse osmosis filter on your drinking water supply to filter this nasty chemicals out of your water.

    6. Fire retardants. Fire retardants used in household products — particularly those known as polybrominated diphenyl ethers or PBDEs — are incredibly persistent in the environment, which means that even though some of the more toxic versions have been banned or phased out, they will continue to contaminate our water and food supplies for years to come. PBDEs alter normal thyroid function in the body, leading to such problems as lower IQ levels and ADHD.

    Avoid them. It's virtually impossible to avoid fire retardants, but you can minimize the level in your home by dusting frequently and using a vacuum cleaner with an HEPA-filter to quickly pick up stray dirt and dust.

    7. Lead. Lead has been phased out of gasoline and paint for years, but some older homes still have lead paint on the walls and the soil around them, making it easy for small kids to be exposed when they get lead-laden dust or dirt on their hands and then put their fingers in their mouths. Lead poisoning has been linked to some major health problems such as brain damage, lowered IQ, hearing loss, miscarriage, high blood pressure, and damage to the kidneys and nervous system.

    Avoid it. If you have lead paint in your home, regularly dust and vacuum to keep lead particles from accumulating. And use a water filter to remove lead from your drinking water.

    8. Arsenic. The mere mention of the word arsenic conjures up images of old murder mysteries and poisoned food, doesn’t it? Levels of arsenic in food get confusing because some foods contain organic arsenic – which occurs naturally — while others contain inorganic arsenic, which is a synthetic compound used in pesticides. It’s the inorganic form that is a known carcinogen and has been linked to bladder, lung and skin cancers; diabetes; and cardiovascular disease.

    Avoid it. Use a good water filter to reduce the amount of arsenic in your water and use these tips to minimize arsenic in other commonly contaminated foods such as rice.

    9. Mercury. It’s a sad fact of our modern life that one of the healthiest foods to eat — seafood — is also heavily contaminated with the heavy metal mercury. A recent study found that 84 percent of the world’s fish are contaminated with mercury. Most mercury pollution is emitted by coal power plants, but it is also produced as a byproduct of gold mining, cement production, iron and steel production and waste disposal. Mercury poisoning can lead to health issues such as impaired fetal development, kidney failure, hair loss and extreme muscle weakness.

    Avoid it. Check out this post on avoiding mercury and eating seafood safely.

    10. Perfluorinated chemicals. Also known as PFCs, perfluorinated chemicals are the chemicals used to make nonstick cookware and many other stain- and water-repellent products. They are found in everything from pots and pans to furniture to pesticides. They have been linked to neurological delays, low sperm count, delayed puberty, earlier menopause and infertility.

    Avoid them. Steer clear of nonstick pans and products that use stain and/or water-resistant coatings.

    11. Organophosphate pesticides. Think about this: organophosphate pesticides are chemically designed to attack the nervous system of insects. This is what makes them great insecticides. It’s also what makes them so dangerous for humans. Not surprisingly, organophosphate pesticides have been linked to neurological disorders and other dysfunction in the human body such as ADHD, lowered IQ and delays in reproductive development.

    Avoid them. Buy organic produce whenever possible. See this list for the best foods to buy organic.

    12. Glycol ethers. Ethylene glycol ethers are common solvents found in paints, cleaning supplies, brake fluid, and even some cosmetics. Exposure has been linked to problems with fetal development, male infertility, asthma, and allergies.

    Avoid them. Stay away from any products with names like 2-butoxyethanol (EGBE) and methoxydiglycol (DEGME) in the ingredient list.

    13. Styrene. While not originally listed in the EWG's Dirty Dozens list, styrene is another hormone-distrupting chemical used to make plastic, rubber and resins. It's also used as a food flavoring agent and indirectly becomes a food additive from packaging materials and adhesives.. Direct exposure can affect your central nervous system and symptoms include headache, fatigue, dizziness, confusion, drowsiness, malaise, difficulty in concentrating and a feeling of intoxication, according to the U.S. Department of Labor's Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

    Avoid it. Try to avoid food that's packaged in plastic and adhesives. Also, avoid plastic products with the recycling number six.
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