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    Quote Originally Posted by danotaylor View Post
    The starter bacteria won't affect adding the seeded sponge. I believe Kenny has the ring shaped sponges. If you get 1 or 2 from him you may be able to cut it into strips or cubes and put it into your HOB and use it like that. As long as tank water flows thru the sponge I don't think it matters in what form or location it is in.
    Ah I see. So pretty much once the sponge from Kenny gets in there the tank is good to go? Since itís got the biological filtration already.

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    I considered the seeded sponge my good bacteria. I spent $28.00 and got the whole sponge filter. I had a pump, air stone and tubing, so I just hooked it up and plopped it into the tank. Some of your bacteria will be dead, so you still have to do huge wc for 5 days while the good bacteria catches up with the bioload (poop) from your discus. They can really poop!
    Have you cut up a sponge like that Daniel? I’m just wondering if he should cut it up in the bag it arrives in rather than out of water? Good way to spend the time while the bags acclimate to the tank temp, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLankster View Post
    Ah I see. So pretty much once the sponge from Kenny gets in there the tank is good to go? Since it’s got the biological filtration already.
    Not entirely. It depends on the bioload of the tank it comes from and the bioload of your tank. It is a good start for sure, and it will propagate beneficial bacteria quicker than starting from scratch. As you relate to Kenny, he will still tell you what he told Patty; you will need to do large daily water changes to ensure the water quality stays good so that your discus grow and reach their full potential.

    You could ask Kenny how many sponges you would need to adequately meet your bioload needs right off the bat. When I asked Al how many seeded sponges I would need for 8-10 adult (5"+) discus in a 125 gal, he told me 4-6...of course you need to factor in the cost of that with your purchase budget

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    Default Re: 1-2 questions before finishing tank setup...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pices View Post
    I considered the seeded sponge my good bacteria. I spent $28.00 and got the whole sponge filter. I had a pump, air stone and tubing, so I just hooked it up and plopped it into the tank. Some of your bacteria will be dead, so you still have to do huge wc for 5 days while the good bacteria catches up with the bioload (poop) from your discus. They can really poop!
    Have you cut up a sponge like that Daniel? I’m just wondering if he should cut it up in the bag it arrives in rather than out of water? Good way to spend the time while the bags acclimate to the tank temp, right?
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    I haven't Patty but I figure if it is cut into strips or cubes and placed where the water from the tank will flow through it it would work in the same way as with an air pump and stone. As long as it doesn't dry out, or come into contact with chlorinated water, the majority of the bacteria should survive shipping, particularly in there is O2 in the bag it is shipped in. I sure wouldn't hurt it to cut it whilst submerged still...

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    Quote Originally Posted by danotaylor View Post
    Not entirely. It depends on the bioload of the tank it comes from and the bioload of your tank. It is a good start for sure, and it will propagate beneficial bacteria quicker than starting from scratch. As you relate to Kenny, he will still tell you what he told Patty; you will need to do large daily water changes to ensure the water quality stays good so that your discus grow and reach their full potential.

    You could ask Kenny how many sponges you would need to adequately meet your bioload needs right off the bat. When I asked Al how many seeded sponges I would need for 8-10 adult (5"+) discus in a 125 gal, he told me 4-6...of course you need to factor in the cost of that with your purchase budget
    No problem with frequent water changes. Should I be doing WCs right now while my tank cycles? I havenít got my situation completely figured out for aging water just yet. Gonna need to pick up a trash can or something that fits in my closet .

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    You don't really need to do WC's during a fishless cycle. Just check your ammonia levels periodically as that is the food for the 1st stage of your BB development. Keep your ammonia between 2-4ppm. Nitrobactors convert ammonia (harmful) to nitrite (also harmful), nitrosomas convert nitrite to nitrate (harmless). Keep topping up your ammonia to keep in the 2-4ppm range and you eventually end up seeing nitrites 1st, and then finally nitrates. It can take 4-6wks+ too see this happen, and the addition of a seeded filter from Kenny will speed it up some.
    Before you add your fish do a big wc, like 90%, add your fish and you should be good

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    I like Daniels idea about cutting sponge to fit in the HOB filter and doing a 90% wc just before they arrive.
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