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Dee, sorry sorry. I haven't read back through all the post but were those fry born in there? Can you keep this thread going as they grow and provide pictures? I did that on my tank for over a year ( original discs were not born in there but got them when they were as small as an inch... 3 from another sponsor were introduced at the same time and they were about 2.5 inches). Had one pair raise fry in tank successfully (successfully defined as reaching adult hood in tank... But bad WC regime during that time kept it from reaching any size... I was going through full time job, newborn kids, and masters program at night).
-Elliot
Think the point some are missing is not that you can not get one fry to survive in a planted tank but that if you are even attempting to have fry, why would you not want as many of them to live as possible? When my fish lay eggs, I want all 100+ of them to survive, little difficult to observe and catch a problem of fry dying in one of the planted tanks posted. So it is more about what you want not what others think. If 1-2 of 100 fry is acceptable to you then that is your prerogative. Please lets not go with the AMAZON debate unless your willing to run your hose 24/7 in your planted discus tank then give the results.IMG_2116[1].jpg
PS These are what I would consider fry.
Thanks,
Rich
And what may I ask are you doing with 100 fry?
Are you culling all but the roundest largest fish?
Or are you running your hose 24/7 to keep them all happy
I will see when I get them to a good size and go from there, I am not in a planted tank, nor comparing my tank to the Amazon so no need to run my hose 24/7, I do however vacuum after every feeding and do 1 water change a day. Pretty sure this thread was about planted tanks, not culling fish though!
Thanks,
Rich
And I don't believe anyone said that a planted tank was optimal for raising the most fry. But like you said, it depends what your desired end result is.
If you're looking to only gain a few fish and let a more natural selection process take place then what's the problem with planted.
If you're goal is to raise as many as possible then kill all that don't meet your standards... Then by all means, please proceed.
I agree, so don't know what your getting at. I am stating that one person needs and concerns don't work for what others that don't share their views are doing. So to say that they don't know why people preach they have to use BB and change water all the time when the Amazon has plant and doesn't change its water every day but discus live and breed there, or that they think they can grow fry in a planted tank and don't see why people say you cant. Well to me you cant, but that is because I want more than 1 to survive, to you they can cause you don't mind getting 1/100. what ever works for you. And by you I don't mean you(slicksta)
My current breeding pair are in a bb.
And I'm not agreeing with the statements made by (banned)
My point is that those that say bb is the ONLY way, are those that have a different perspective then me on fish keeping.
I agree, its not the only way, but I do believe that for newcomers it is the only way to know what you are doing wrong without having 100 other factors to think about(makes impossible to know what is affecting your fish). Then when you have experience knowing your discus fish, do what you like. Saves on the thousands of help sick fish posts! I believe we should get to know any species of fish we intend to keep, and what like to thrive. people just seem to get more upset when the fish cost a little more then they want all the help seeing what they are doing wrong. I admit I am guilty of some of the same things but have learned and changed some.
Thanks
Rich
I can agree with that. .
Nice group of fry there, good luck. . . though the parent is a little big eyed. My current male breeder is guilty of the same. lol :-D
But my thoughts also lean towards letting natural selection have some role in what fish survive. If we let fish breed a little more the way we keep them then those that survive will be better suited.
Again not advocating breeding fish that will survive in a swamp but a sterile environment can be counter productive in my view. I'm thinking a lower survival rate with less culling for perceived beauty may result in a more robust fish better suited for the environment in which we provide.
If you read any of my other rants. . you'll realize I'm in the minority. . .so what the hell do I know.
Rich, like someone pointed out, its what's the goal. I set the bar low so I'm never Dissapointed
I don't want many to survive (only 1 or 2 if any) because my wife won't let me have another tank. So I understock my 150 in case 1 or 2 make it. Now, when that has happened it's been bad timing since my work life interfered and those few fish SUCKED in regards to development. I just leave my fish alone... however (guilty!)b when I see a pair spawn and try to raise fry I always root for them ... but I don't interfere (ok, I did once with a mesh net divider contraption).
I just hate saying all that because newbies to discus may think, "Well hell, I can get by without BB. I've kept fish for years," but then they never learn how beautiful discus can be and see their full potential.
So I'm with you, Rich, but I have my own intent while also realizing the implications. I only talked about my imperfections so may be someone who has an improvement discovery on substrate, planted, and Driftwood aquariums with discus might not be hesitant to share on here.
-Elliot
"If we let fish breed a little more the way we keep them then those that survive will be better suited."
How do we keep them? We keep the water clean, we cultivate beneficial bacteria cultures, we do our best to allow as many as possible to survive, but when deformities exist, we cull. We pick and choose desired traits from those that survive. I think the Amazon does the same. Even if someone chooses to cull more for a specific goal, to suggest that you can raise discus in a tank in a way that allows for more natural selection I think is wrong. If you're willing to accept 12 or less fish surviving from a spawn in a certain environment, go ahead. I have. You may get one or two nice fish. If you're trying to raise a quantity of healthy fish in tanks, I think folks have figured that out pretty well.