Am I the only one bothered by this. . .

[slicksta]

@ Pat
ooopps. . . my bad.
But that is a good example for the reason for this thread.
Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But in order to make a gene so predominant I feel we sacrifice more important traits.

[Second Hand Pat]

@ Pat
ooopps. . . my bad.
But that is a good example for the reason for this thread.
Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But in order to make a gene so predominant I feel we sacrifice more important traits.

and that example was based on a deformity. I am super happy to being seeing a lot less that. John, you can talk about this until you are blue in the face but there is lots of examples of both good breeding and bad breeding in most domestic animals. In the end it is the demand which drives the market.
Pat

[LizStreithorst]

John, you can talk about this until you are blue in the face but there is lots of examples of both good breeding and bad breeding in most domestic animals. In the end it is the demand which drives the market.
Pat

I believe that I said just that in different works earlier in this thread.

[slicksta]

Exactly!!!. . .it's the demand.
And that's why we are here. . to discuss discus. I realize I am not going to change anyone's mind and my post was just to get a consensus on the subject.
So Pat I don't believe you answered the question. Are you bothered by this?

[slicksta]

I believe that I said just that in different works earlier in this thread.

Yes Liz. . .but there are more members than you and Pat. I wasn't looking for a debate but more or less a consensus if this bothered anyone.

[Second Hand Pat]

Exactly!!!. . .it's the demand.
And that's why we are here. . to discuss discus. I realize I am not going to change anyone's mind and my post was just to get a consensus on the subject.
So Pat I don't believe you answered the question. Are you bothered by this?

I believe I did ...as far as the strains names go I do not really care. After you have been around the block or two you know what the fish should be called.
Pat

[slicksta]

Ok I'll take it as it doesn't bother you, or at least not to the extent that it bothers me.
As far as the names I'm with you on that. I don't care for myself but it bothers me for beginners.
That said... Interested in some Blue Turquoise Double Pepper'd Pigeon Blood Extremes ��

[Second Hand Pat]

Ok I'll take it as it doesn't bother you, or at least not to the extent that it bothers me.
As far as the names I'm with you on that. I don't care for myself but it bothers me for beginners.
That said... Interested in some Blue Turquoise Double Pepper'd Pigeon Blood Extremes ��

I like it, it’s catchy LOL

[slicksta]

I know right... I can market it as what old is new.... That is if any survive. ;-)

[LizStreithorst]

What matters most to me is the conformation of the fish. I don't care what it's called.

[brewmaster15]

John it bothers me too. Im not a fan of fancy names. Always been a pet peeve of mine....as for the colors and strains.... they can be excessive but the reality is they are what enabled the discus hobby to grow. The color morphs, strains etc attracted fish keepers to try discus. Prior to that Discus were that odd looking brown wild fish that sometimes showed up in the petstores years ago... If it had 7stayed like that odds are there would never have even been Discus hobby as we have it today.

The way I see it is if you don't like the fancy named fish or colorful discus strains dont buy them..pick up some wilds and play with them.Maybe try breeding them.

I like Discus. Doesnt matter to me wild or Domestic. I Think its awesome how many varieties we have , and as a biologist the fluidity of their genetics fascinates me to no end. Its what has kept me hook line and sinker in the hobby for so long.

Im currently really enjoying breeding wilds to Domestics... I dont give them fancy names but from time to time I am tempted because its how marketi g works best but nope.. I try and stick with long boring descriptions like " F1 wild greenx blue snakeskin"

Am I guilty.of adding to.the problem with these crosses ..maybe. But I really dont care if people like it or them. I do what I want with my hobby. If theres no demand... doesnt bother me

Ramble done... I think pics are important when you have discussions like this..

Are these fish bad? Because they are a "gasp" cross. How dare I !.These are my f1 wild greenx Domestic Snakeskins. Some would say so... good thing I dont care what others think all the much with my fish and my breeding goals.

Im happy with them.
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Al

[brewmaster15]

I do have these Super Dupper Star Mazes... first generation SDSM to be precise that I just bred and created though.

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[slicksta]

Thanks Al
The names are a minor secondary concern and only the insult to the injury.
My reason for the post is that I see more and more unnatural looking fish.
If you breed and cross breed... Great.. if you can develop a new strain. Even better for you.
But what I see is breeding and then perpetual inbreeding and manipulation to the point that the fish look fake.
I guess my hope was that more would be offended by that.
The older I get the more I think that everything humans touch becomes broken... and I start to feel like Edward G. Robinson at the end of Soylent Green

That said let me know when you're ready to part with some of your wild/domestics

[LizStreithorst]

Good fish, Al. All of them.

[slicksta]

I was referring to Bulldog discus John.
Pat

I just came across this on fb and I thought of my misunderstanding
I guess I wasn't that wrong after all 😂

Sorry.... But now you know the maturity level you're dealing with