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    Default Re: Boil around mouth - on 2 out of 10 discus

    I've read this as well... I'm thinking either would work, but iodine may be a little more potent

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    Default Re: Boil around mouth - on 2 out of 10 discus

    What about iodine in the water? Can it be harmful to the fish. Al has a mentioned about swabbing hydrogen peroxide somewhere.
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    Default Re: Boil around mouth - on 2 out of 10 discus

    None of us know for sure what to do, We need Al but I can't bring myself to bother him. If he could be here he would be.
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    Default Re: Boil around mouth - on 2 out of 10 discus

    I'd add that swabbing is extreme and should be done with confidence and as a last resort.
    The netting and securing of the fish will be stressful and remove much slime_coat.

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    Default Re: Boil around mouth - on 2 out of 10 discus

    Here's a thread on treating with Iodine etc. A good read http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...dine-H2O2-etc).
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    Default Re: Boil around mouth - on 2 out of 10 discus

    Interesting.
    If you read on... People have even applied a triple antibiotic ointment.
    I think if I did clean a wound with iodine or hydrogen peroxide, I would then apply the ointment as well.

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    Default Re: Boil around mouth - on 2 out of 10 discus

    Thanks everyone! Talked to Kenny at length just now and he suggested sticking to Furan 2 for now and treating the main tank as well. I do have metronidazole, H2O2, iodine and triple antibiotic ointment ready if at all needed. I also read somewhere that Furan 2 is effective compared to others in lower Ph and higher temperatures... I have one more day of the prescribed Furan 2 treatment, will monitor the prognosis and keep this group informed.

    Once again, sincere thanks you all!

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    Concluding the thread with some positive note and steps I took for future reference, which is a collection of advises from various experts. In case of such problem i.e. a boil:
    1. Move the fish to QT set up
    2. Start antibiotic treatment, preferably Furan 2 (Furan 2 is effective against a wide spectrum of bacteria, both aerobic and anaerobic and also effective in discus water parameters i.e. low pH + high temperatures.) - strongly recommended by Kenny as well
    3. after 2 days of antibiotic treatment:
    (i) Using a scalpel blade (available in Walmart for $3-4) remove the boil by puncturing it or cutting it
    (ii) Clean the wound with hydrogen peroxide
    Cutting open is Stendker recommendation in one of pdf documents and 2 days of antibiotics prior to surgery is the precaution we use in dentistry when severe infection is suspected
    4. Continue antibiotic treatment for 4 more days in the QT set up
    5. Move the fish back to the original tank

    Saved the red scribbled ... learnt this procedure and healing is fast. Red scribbled never showed any signs of deterioration ... looking back I just wish that I had reacted immediately after noticing the boil on turq.
    Last edited by abijitr; 07-15-2019 at 01:25 PM.

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    Default Re: Boil around mouth - on 2 out of 10 discus

    Congratulations. You did some excellent research. Keep us up to date on the fishes recovery if you don't mind. It could be helpful to others. Pics are always better than text alone.
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    Default Re: Boil around mouth - on 2 out of 10 discus

    Quote Originally Posted by Second Hand Pat View Post
    What about iodine in the water? Can it be harmful to the fish. Al has a mentioned about swabbing hydrogen peroxide somewhere.
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    According to this product, they put iodine in it. It was in a post previously. When I saw the product it sorta blew me away. All the years of hearing about iodine not being good for fish and viola something new to me.

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    Default Re: Boil around mouth - on 2 out of 10 discus

    Excellent Abi.
    It's hard to know sometimes whether to act fast and risk over reacting.
    Your research and then combining the information thoughtfully worked well ;-)

    @Mervin...that's why it's best to keep an open mind... I like when I learn something new too!
    I'm starting to think that the iodine myth started with trying to avoid anticoagulants found in common table salt and it was just easier to say no iodine

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    Default Re: Boil around mouth - on 2 out of 10 discus

    Quote Originally Posted by bluelagoon View Post
    https://www.sera.de/us/service/info/...al-substances/

    According to this product, they put iodine in it. It was in a post previously. When I saw the product it sorta blew me away. All the years of hearing about iodine not being good for fish and viola something new to me.
    Hi Mervin, I found this thread regarding Iodine...

    Quote Originally Posted by Second Hand Pat View Post
    Here's a thread on treating with Iodine etc. A good read http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...dine-H2O2-etc).
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    Default Re: Boil around mouth - on 2 out of 10 discus

    All.. Keep in mind that there is a big difference on treating a wound by dabbing iodine and adding iodine to the water.

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    Default Re: Boil around mouth - on 2 out of 10 discus

    It's sad that there was a loss here, but it's very impressive that Abi not only accepted advise from others, but also conducted real research. It's the best way to learn and possibly avoid issues in the future!!!

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    Default Re: Boil around mouth - on 2 out of 10 discus

    Quote Originally Posted by Second Hand Pat View Post
    Hi Mervin, I found this thread regarding Iodine...



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    I have read that before and was going to mention this procedure, but didn't.

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