Cafepress Store     Kenny's Discus

Results 1 to 14 of 14

Thread: Discus breathing heavy with gills out

  1. #1
    Registered Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Posts
    26
    iTrader
    0
    Real Name
    Kayleigh

    Default Discus breathing heavy with gills out

    So I bought a breeding pair of discus yesterday morning. Transported them home about 20min drive but the seller didnt have any bags and was not used of handling fish. He put them in a bucket with water and we got them home in a fully cleaned tank with a fully cycled filter. Today the female is breathing heavily and they still havent eaten. I was wondering if this is stress related? The male also has a bump near the tail. Its the first time any discus I bought breath this heavy. I have pics of the 2 also, The male is looking towards the left and female looking towards the right. I want to add also that its a sponge filter in the tank and they dont sit at the top of the tank so ive ruled out a lack of oxygen.
    Attached Images Attached Images

  2. #2
    Moderator Team LizStreithorst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Moselle, MS
    Posts
    7,617
    iTrader
    12 (100%)

    Default Re: Discus breathing heavy with gills out

    Were they doing this when they were in the previous owner's tank? If what you're calling a bump on his nose is the hollow place that makes that area not smooth like it should be, it's just a conformation fault. It's no big deal unless you're into that kind of thing.

    It would really be helpful if you could fill out this form in the disease section. http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...lease-complete
    Mama Bear

  3. #3
    Registered Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Posts
    26
    iTrader
    0
    Real Name
    Kayleigh

    Default Re: Discus breathing heavy with gills out

    Problem

    1. Please explain the problems with your fish. When did you notice the problems and did anything unusual happen that you think started

    morning. Transported them home about 20min drive but the seller didnt have any bags and was not used of handling fish. He put them in a bucket with water and we got them home in a fully cleaned tank with a fully cycled filter. Today the female is breathing heavily and they still havent eaten.

    2. Symptoms (i.e. turning dark, excess slime, not eating, clamped fins, flashing, darting, clamped gills, white/yellow/green poop, hiding, headstanding or tailstanding, white on tips of fins, rotting or fungus, blisters/white zits on fish, bloated, cloudy eyes, wounds).

    Not eating breathing heavy.

    3. What medications/ treatments have you already tried and what were the results. Include dosage and duration of treatment.

    1tbs salt per 1 gallon


    Tank/Water

    4. Tank size and ages, numbers and sizes of fish.

    100L, 1half years

    5. Water change regime (What percentage and how often).

    90% every day

    6. How long has tank been running? Is it bare bottom? If you have substrate, what type and how deep is it?

    Bare bottom high tank. Fully cycled filter.

    7. Do you age your water? If you do for how long and what is the ph swing.
    No

    8. What type/brand water conditioner do you use? Do you add it to the tank or aging barrel? How much do you use?

    Prime and to the tank.

    9. Parameters and water source;

    Note: Water Parameters are important in diagnosing problems within a tank. If you don't own test kits for the following information, you can purchase them, test your parameters and post this info as soon as possible.


    - temp _30____

    - ph _6.8____

    - ammonia reading __0__

    - nitrite reading __0__

    - nitrate reading _25___
    Test stripes may be inaccurate

    What type of water or combinations of water sources do you use? If it is an RO/tap/well water mix, please list percentages in the mix.

    - well water _0___

    - municipal water __0__

    - RO water __0__


    10. Any new fish, plants or inverts added recently.
    No

    11. Please tell us what you feed your fish and how often. This can be critical information for solving the problem so be as specific as you can.

    Beef heart and discus gran. Twice a day

    12. Include any pictures or videos you have which shows the symptoms. If you can't add them to this post, please provide a link to them.

    Pics posted below

  4. #4
    Registered Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Posts
    26
    iTrader
    0
    Real Name
    Kayleigh

    Default Re: Discus breathing heavy with gills out

    Not that we noticed. The lump is on hid tail not his nose.

  5. #5
    Moderator Team LizStreithorst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Moselle, MS
    Posts
    7,617
    iTrader
    12 (100%)

    Default Re: Discus breathing heavy with gills out

    I don't see a bump on a tail. Sorry.

    Have you checked your water for a pH swing after aging in a bucket overnight? If not, please do. If so how much is the swing? Please test your other water parameters with a drop test. The API test is the best. The results are important. What is the source of your water? 30 C is a bit high. I would lower it to 28 or 29.

    How long had the previous owner had the fish? Had they been eating for him? Was the bump on the tail then? Did you see the gill problem when the fish was there? If the gill tissue is coming out because the gill plate is flared it's a conformation fault. It looks flared in one of your pics. See if the fish are still breathing heavily when the heat is lowered. If it is, the problem is parasitic.

    Neither of them appear to really be in trouble so you have time to do all the things I've asked and answer all the questions I've asked.
    Mama Bear

  6. #6
    Registered Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Posts
    26
    iTrader
    0
    Real Name
    Kayleigh

    Default Re: Discus breathing heavy with gills out

    She also is now just breathing from 1 gill. The other gill moves a small bit but not much. I didn't notice that till she turned towards me

  7. #7
    Registered Member bluelagoon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Halifax,Canada
    Posts
    1,455
    iTrader
    0
    Real Name
    Mervin

    Default Re: Discus breathing heavy with gills out

    Do you notice any micro bubbles after a large WC?

  8. #8
    Registered Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Posts
    26
    iTrader
    0
    Real Name
    Kayleigh

    Default Re: Discus breathing heavy with gills out

    I didn't notice any lump or issues with the gills when moving them. I don't know how long they had them for when we bought them. She seems to switch from using 1 gill to both. Still breathing very heavy. I don't age water it all comes out of the tap and treated with prime or safe. It's not possible to age or use RO water here unfortunately. I've 20 other discus at 30c all with no problems. The heaters are set to 30c but between 3 thermometers the true temp would be 29c. They were eating for the previous owners.

  9. #9
    Registered Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Posts
    26
    iTrader
    0
    Real Name
    Kayleigh

    Default Re: Discus breathing heavy with gills out

    As for micro bubbles I'm using buckets of water and pouring into the tank but none are present when I do

  10. #10
    Moderator Team LizStreithorst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Moselle, MS
    Posts
    7,617
    iTrader
    12 (100%)

    Default Re: Discus breathing heavy with gills out

    Forgive me Kayleigh but I won't keep trying to help you if you don't give me the answer to the questions I asked about pH swing and water parameters with an API test kit and let me know your water source. I believe that you were asked the same questions in another thread.
    Mama Bear

  11. #11
    Registered Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Posts
    26
    iTrader
    0
    Real Name
    Kayleigh

    Default Re: Discus breathing heavy with gills out

    There is no ph swing because as stated water comes from the tap treated with prime or safe and into the tank. As stated it's not aged. Water parameters are listed above on the questionnaire

  12. #12
    Administrator and MVP Dec.2015 Second Hand Pat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Central Florida
    Posts
    28,687
    Blog Entries
    4
    iTrader
    9 (100%)
    Real Name
    Pat

    Default Re: Discus breathing heavy with gills out

    Hi Kayleigh, for now lets add between 3 to 5 tablespoons of salt for each 10 gallons to the tank and see if that helps to settle the fish. Even thru the sponge is cycled the fish could have caused the tank to be going thru a mini-cycle. Teststrips are not too accurate.
    Pat
    Your discus are talking to you....are you listening


  13. #13
    Registered Member cooper666's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2019
    Location
    Cairns, Australia
    Posts
    91
    iTrader
    0

    Default Re: Discus breathing heavy with gills out

    Quote Originally Posted by kay796 View Post
    There is no ph swing because as stated water comes from the tap treated with prime or safe and into the tank. As stated it's not aged. Water parameters are listed above on the questionnaire
    This is a dangerous assumption to make. Prime does not degas your water. Degassing, stripping C02 is what changes the pH when ageing water. As Liz said, get a bucket of water from the tap and test the pH. Aerate overnight and test again. Your water might be full of CO2.

  14. #14
    Registered Member bluelagoon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Halifax,Canada
    Posts
    1,455
    iTrader
    0
    Real Name
    Mervin

    Default Re: Discus breathing heavy with gills out

    Tap water yes, but what is your water source? Where does the water come from? Well, municipality, ect..There's already a high nitrate in your water if the readings are correct with that much WC daily.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

pic of month             AquaticSuppliers.com