Discus continues to deteriorate

[danotaylor]

They look like tape worms to me Mando but I am no expert. Did you use pure prazi or prazipro? The later is not as potent...

[Second Hand Pat]

They look like tapes to me also. Would suggest using pure prazi also Armando.
Pat

[jeep]

I agree!!

[coralbandit]

Since you used prazi already I'll just say I read it is safe to overdose like in the hundreds of times dose !
Not sure a stronger dose would help ..If that is new it may be a prolapse coming on/out ? Not saying they are not tape worms just staying open minded still.
Wasting disease was mentioned and think too little is known or done about it myself .Lots of fish lost to it IMO .
Fenbedazole when fish is eating ,flubendazole when fish is not ..
I would do the flube and maybe prazi ??
This from Charles Harrison [inkmaker]
Fenbendazole. I do have Fenbendazole 10%. It works for a number of things but it is not absorbed through their skin or gills.
It must be eaten to be effective. Pricing is the same as Flubendazole below.
Flubendazole 10 % powder
Postage is to increase in 2020 soon.
Best for eliminating Hydra. Treats protozoa wasting disease, serious treatment for Velvet, enternal and external parasites, 1/4 teaspoon of 10 % powder
treats about 20 gallons of water for most parasitic Protozoa. Eliminate Carbon filtration during treatment. Change most of the water after 10 days.
Will not harm plants, Prolonged use will kill most all snails. ........
Taken from his page ;
http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/ItemsForSale.html
Good luck and I would not move fish with others not exposed .You can move him to a tank alone but I don't think that is best unless the fish is bullied ..

[Mando]

This is the Prazi I used. https://www.amazon.com/Aqua-Meds-Pra...5304127&sr=8-8

I would not mind using fenbendazole or flubendazole but it would have to be for this fish alone in a separate tank. The side effects of those meds are scary. I'm surprised that Prazi did not kill the worms the first time. I will dose Prazi again. Should I follow with Levamisole? I can try to get a sample of the worms if I see them again. unfortunately, I had to run out that afternoon when I took the pic.

This fish in particular is not bullied. Despite how skinny he is, he is still dominant. So I know he has fight in him still but I need to move fast as he is even skinnier than ever.

[jeep]

I'm not familiar with that brand of Prazi but they state 100% pure. How did you administer it? All pure prazi I've used needs to be dissolved in vodka before adding to the tank and I don't see instructions in the description. The photo looks like tapes so I would run another course or 2 of Prazi before using the other meds.

[Mando]

I'm not familiar with that brand of Prazi but they state 100% pure. How did you administer it? All pure prazi I've used needs to be dissolved in vodka before adding to the tank and I don't see instructions in the description. The photo looks like tapes so I would run another course or 2 of Prazi before using the other meds.

I dissolved in in Vodka as well. I will do another 2 doses. How much time in between each dose?

[jeep]

I would redose in about 2 weeks to hopefully catch the tapeworm cycle. Prazi doesn't kill eggs...

[Mando]

I would redose in about 2 weeks to hopefully catch the tapeworm cycle. Prazi doesn't kill eggs...

Perfect! will keep you guys updated.

[Mando]

I did not see any worms being expelled. I dosed 1g/109g of water. Was that enough?

Today will make 48 hours and then I will do a 80% water change.

[Mando]

I did not see any worms being expelled. I dosed 1g/109g of water. Was that enough?

Today will make 48 hours and then I will do a 80% water change.

any thoughts? if not worms, what in the world was it?

[bluelagoon]

They look white like tapeworms in the pic. Or are they reddish and roundworms,; if so prazi would not work on Capillaria (round worm). Levamisole will kill all types.

[Mando]

They were white.

I will do the full deworming cycle again. Includes levamisole. Seems like Prazi did not do anything. At least, I did not see any being expelled.

how safe is it to use a higher does of prazi?

[coralbandit]

I'll start by saying I thought I once read it could be dosed up to 500 times the recommended level !
Can't find that source but want to agree rarely have I noted a good change after the recommended dose of Prazi .
So for my fish [they're mine] I have tripled and quadrupled doses over a week .I don't want to drown or flood them but I think they deserve a strong dose .
Only my discus have got anything in the last 2-3 years knock wood ..
Now I know nothing so ;

There are no known side effects of Praziquatel, but there have been studies to show it can become toxic in high volumes, which are somewhere around 40x to 50x greater than recommended dosing.
Taken from ;
https://www.aquarium-medications.com...treatment.html
Take it for what it worth ..
Know anything about Potassium Permanganate ?

[Mando]

Know anything about Potassium Permanganate ?

Unfortunately, I don't but I can research it. I also have not had anything wrong with my fish for 2 years until I noticed this one deteriorating.