Frank's F1 Growouts from Wild Parents - A Pleasant Surprise!

[fljones3]

Today is the fry 1 week birthday!

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[fljones3]

Tom, can you get the golden pearls in the water column with the syringe? I could put some in water, suck up in syringe, but I am concerned they will float to the top. Hmmm...
After they are bigger they move around more. Any thoughts?

Feed them as soon as the fry seem big enough to eat them .
They are good stuff in my book and I feed golden pearls to all my fish of all sizes .
I just drop them on surface and they mix into the water column eventually sinking.
YOu can even mix them in with the BBS to trick train them to eat prepared foods ..
The fry should quickly out grow that size IME but if they like them they will still keep eating them .
I have sizes 100 -1,000. I get mine from Kensfish as they are most affordable from him compared to other sites like BSD .

[peewee1]

Hi Frank, I think you have the genders correct. My observations from breeding wilds is the female is generally smaller with a larger halo then the male. The striations are thinner on the female and the male generally has more striations then the female. Also if you look at the fish head on note the width between the eyes across the nose, the male will be thicker then the female.
hth,
Pat

Is this consistent with all Discus species? I had been using the dorsal fin. My males all have streamer on the dorsal, the female have none. Or can a female have the streamer on the dorsal as well?

[coralbandit]

Tom, can you get the golden pearls in the water column with the syringe? I could put some in water, suck up in syringe, but I am concerned they will float to the top. Hmmm...
After they are bigger they move around more. Any thoughts?

Yea once they are saturated they should not just float at the surface .
Mine actually sink rather quickly ?
I also use a surface skimmer like the Ehiem 3750 or Aquaneat to take food from surface and shoot it through the water column.
I just remove the sponge and it works well to give floating food some mid water 'action' ..

[Second Hand Pat]

Is this consistent with all Discus species? I had been using the dorsal fin. My males all have streamer on the dorsal, the female have none. Or can a female have the streamer on the dorsal as well?

It is true for wild blues and greens in my experience. Unsure about Heckels. I had one streamer in a wild male green. I have heard that domestic females can have streamers. I would rather other members comment on the gender differences between domestics as I do not have a lot of experience with domestics.
Pat

[peewee1]

It is true for wild blues and greens in my experience. Unsure about Heckels. I had one streamer in a wild male green. I have heard that domestic females can have streamers. I would rather other members comment on the gender differences between domestics as I do not have a lot of experience with domestics.
Pat

Thanks, Pat. I have three Alenquer cross, a Red, Stripped, and Brown, all with streamers. Also the Blue Scorpion has the streamer which has paired with an Albino Gold, with no streamer. I am thinking 4 males and one female. Don't know about the Heckel.

[fljones3]

Peewee1, I have found your observation about streamers on the males true for my Alenquers.

Thanks, Pat. I have three Alenquer cross, a Red, Stripped, and Brown, all with streamers. Also the Blue Scorpion has the streamer which has paired with an Albino Gold, with no streamer. I am thinking 4 males and one female. Don't know about the Heckel.

[fljones3]

Update for any that are interested.

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[Second Hand Pat]

They are really getting big Frank, very soon they will look like tiny cichlids and soon after, little discus.
Pat

[peewee1]

Frank, your excellent photography is making this a great learning experience for us.

[fljones3]

Thanks. That's encouraging to keep posting updates.

Frank, your excellent photography is making this a great learning experience for us.

[peewee1]

Peewee1, I have found your observation about streamers on the males true for my Alenquers.

I am not handy with camera and up loading things but I will try to get my son, Little Ricky, (his mother named him after the little kid on I Love Lucy) to try it for me so you can see what I am talking about. The Red Alenquer (thanks Kenny) has exceptional multiple streamer on both the top and bottom fins. He may well have been bred for that feature. I plan on breeding him for longer fins going forward. I think they do that with Angelfish? At least they used to. At the moment I do not have any female wild crosses so until Kenny gets going again so I can get some females from him I am on breeding hiatus.

[fljones3]

This is not a confirmed male but like yours, it is from Kenny.
You will note the streamer on the top fin. I wonder if Kenny has observed the same situation.

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I am not handy with camera and up loading things but I will try to get my son, Little Ricky, (his mother named him after the little kid on I Love Lucy) to try it for me so you can see what I am talking about. The Red Alenquer (thanks Kenny) has exceptional multiple streamer on both the top and bottom fins. He may well have been bred for that feature. I plan on breeding him for longer fins going forward. I think they do that with Angelfish? At least they used to. At the moment I do not have any female wild crosses so until Kenny gets going again so I can get some females from him I am on breeding hiatus.

[peewee1]

This is not a confirmed male but like yours, it is from Kenny.
You will note the streamer on the top fin. I wonder if Kenny has observed the same situation.

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I am sure that he does notice. Because I cannot see the individual fish that I have purchased from Kenny I have Kenny select them on my behalf. Kenny's customer service is exceptional in that way. Like they say, "The Nordsrom of.....".

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Loving your updates. Good work Frank