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    Default Identify PB-based Strains

    Hello, discus people.

    I'm wondering if there's a resource for identifying PB vs non-PB based strains. I'm obviously asking because I hate peppering.

    Also I'm getting back into the hobby after a long hiatus. How is breeding affecting peppering now? If I have a white sand bottom and non-black background and get my fish from a great breeder (like Kenny), is it almost certain that I'll have no peppering? Or should I stick to non-PB if I despise even the slightest peppering?

    Thanks!

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    Default Re: Identify PB-based Strains

    The better PB-strains should have no peppering at all. The ghost gene and albino genes are also in play, so peppering is rarely encountered. Kenny is an importer, not a breeder, but his Malaysian fish are among the best available.

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    Default Re: Identify PB-based Strains

    The PB is often only noticed by a bit of black in the fins. Perfectly clean PB's are hard to find and can be hard to tell. Orange is common in PB's while the color is a deeper red in most non Pigeons.
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    Default Re: Identify PB-based Strains

    Quote Originally Posted by LizStreithorst View Post
    The PB is often only noticed by a bit of black in the fins. Perfectly clean PB's are hard to find and can be hard to tell. Orange is common in PB's while the color is a deeper red in most non Pigeons.
    So is 3R (aka Royal Ruby Red) a non-pigeon? Also when it comes to gold - I assume something like "albino millennium gold" will not pepper at all because it's albino, correct?

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    Default Re: Identify PB-based Strains

    Albino anything will not show pepper. I'd need to see a pic of the 3R (aka Royal Ruby red) to make a determination. Different breeders give their fish different names.
    Wholesalers give the fish the same name as the breeder uses, even if the breeder next door gives the fish that looks the same a different name. The name game drives newbies crazy. Eventually you accept it and discover than your own eyes are the better judge.
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    Default Re: Identify PB-based Strains

    Here's an example:

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    Default Re: Identify PB-based Strains

    The only things that make me unsure that it doesn't have PB behind it is it's orangish red color and the fact that there is black on the ends of dorsal and anal fins. I'm not much help to you at all. Cliff and Willie are smarter about this than I am. I hope one of them sees this thread.
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    Default Re: Identify PB-based Strains

    Everyone here has been super helpful, thanks for taking the time!

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    Default Re: Identify PB-based Strains

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrunkenphat7 View Post
    So is 3R (aka Royal Ruby Red) a non-pigeon? Also when it comes to gold - I assume something like "albino millennium gold" will not pepper at all because it's albino, correct?
    I have Forrerst's via Kenny ABG and none of them pepper. In fact I have heard that from Kenny as well. You might find peppering in the Red White Discus, however.

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    Default Re: Identify PB-based Strains

    If you plan to breed strains of questionable background genetics there is always the chance that the offspring will be peppered. That's why I concentrate on Turk and SS types. If pat7 (abbreviated his user name) it doesn't matter what the fish's genetics are. That's a pretty red fish that would be a lovely fish to have in a display tank.
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    Default Re: Identify PB-based Strains

    I bought my Asian Discus from Dennis at Dennis Discus Fish, site sponsor. His PB strains are super clean with just black in the fins as Liz mentioned. Here's a few pics of the ones I had from Dennis...
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    Default Re: Identify PB-based Strains

    Quote Originally Posted by danotaylor View Post
    I bought my Asian Discus from Dennis at Dennis Discus Fish, site sponsor. His PB strains are super clean with just black in the fins as Liz mentioned. Here's a few pics of the ones I had from Dennis...
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    Beautiful!

    Thanks for the input, everyone.

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