Thanks, Cliff. I was aware of the Wattley Turk but not the others.Thanks for the information. This thread alerted me to cross and hybrid. I wonder about the Alenquer pair that I have. A Red paired with an Ica Red. Both Alenquer but unknown what ever else might be mixed in to those two fish. I would suspect that F1 would be Alenquer but a mix of Red with possible few with Heckle bar. I also seem to have two gay males trying. With that one I predict 0% anything for F0.