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    Default Re: headstanding, clamped bottom fins

    Seachem Metroplex active ingredient is only: metronidazole (70%)

    Percent Active Ingredient
    Many antibiotics commonly used for ornamental fish are sold by different companies; therefore, the percent of active ingredient will vary from product to product. This means that you may not have 100% of pure antibiotic required for disease control. You need to ask your supplier to provide you with the actual percentage of antibiotic that is active in the product you have purchased and calculate your dosage accordingly. For example, if your product contains less than 100% of active ingredient, your dosage needs to be increased to bring the level up to the equivalent 100% active ingredient. (See Equation 1) If you are unsure how to do this calculation, call your local fish health specialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrie6703 View Post
    Brian, very very slight bulge! just checked. got the tank wrapped in foam & insulation to keep the temp to 32/33 degrees.
    He does the full handstanding indeed. Other times he swims around normally. Eats normally, and poops (sometimes normal, sometimes stringy @ possibly due to chomping on the amazon sword)... appears more like the remnants of plants, doesn't truly look like worms imho.

    Alas, I'm awaiting full worming meds via post next week.
    Have dosed with metro the last week (Seachems Metroplex @ every second day, for three days)

    Metro not easy to get here freely.
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    Thanks Francis. In Australia here we 'hobbyists' don't have an open avenue to purchase metronidazole.
    It would require a visit to the vet, and a script for the medicine.

    In terms of being able to access certain strengths of metro in Aus, we only have what is available to us via vets. Simple as that.

    I managed to purchase, by chance i think, a product from an ebayer, here in Aus, advertising a Seachem 'Metroplex' product.

    At the time I purchased I felt I had not many options. I received the product and medicated the tank according to the instructions.

    As for the 'correct' administration of metronidazole, that would require the individual being absolutely sure in what they're doing.

    I had to rely on the instructions of the manufacturer in this instance. I have no regrets for following this.

    Thanks.

    PS metronidazole is NOT readily available in Australia for hobbyists wanting to medicate their fish. Very frustrating.
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    Default Re: headstanding, clamped bottom fins

    my 'supplier' was Seachem Francis. What would you suggest I ask them re their product ?

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    If that fish is not head standing full time then it's most likely not a bladder issue. At least one that ha passed the point of no return. I suspect some sort of blockage or infection. I had a similar issue and it was cured with Kanamycin. Since you can't buy that, is there anything else you can get in an antibiotic family? Neomycin, EM, Amoxicillin, etc... Even an over the counter version of these meds may be successful. If not, then I would keep the temp at 82 degrees C and place the fish in a smaller hospital tank. Lower the water level and add about 4 TBS salt per 10 gallons. Keep the water very clean and replace the salt removed during water changes for 10 days.

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    FYI...... Seachem Metroplex active ingredient is metronidazole (70%)



    Quote Originally Posted by kerrie6703 View Post
    my 'supplier' was Seachem Francis. What would you suggest I ask them re their product ?
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    Fish meds in Australia

    Blue Planet Aquari cycline ......active ingredient Tetracycline

    Blue Planet Tri Sulfa.....Active ingredients Sulfadizine,Sulfadiamidine and Sulfamerazine .


    https://www.thetechden.com.au/collec...cations?page=2
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanyuki View Post
    Fish meds in Australia

    Blue Planet Aquari cycline ......active ingredient Tetracycline

    Blue Planet Tri Sulfa.....Active ingredients Sulfadizine,Sulfadiamidine and Sulfamerazine .


    https://www.thetechden.com.au/collec...cations?page=2
    Tettracycline id for gram positive is better for external issues. I'm not sure about the Sulfa but it sounds more external as well.

    Can you find Microbe Lift Artemiss in your area?
    https://microbelift.com/product/arte...and-saltwater/

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    Triple Sulfa is a broad spectrum primarily gram negative antibacterial medication.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeep View Post
    Tettracycline id for gram positive is better for external issues. I'm not sure about the Sulfa but it sounds more external as well.

    Can you find Microbe Lift Artemiss in your area?
    https://microbelift.com/product/arte...and-saltwater/
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    I have an update on my situation with my babies.
    I had a diagnosis today of worms (more than one type) by my local aquarium. (A business i've been going to for years, I trust the owner completely .. he put the fishes faeces specimen I provided under the microscope and thats what he found).

    (I'm hoping this is the only condition that the fish have).

    So, given the discovery of this today, I've begun levamisol @ 1ml per 7litres dosage. (my local aquarium provided me with the dosage instructions).
    Sourced the levamisol from a pet stock store as my aquarium doesn't stock worming treatment marketed for birds & pigs.

    Also purchased praziquental, to be dosed the 2nd and 3rd weeks.
    Then finish off 4th week with another dose of levamisol.

    So, my tank is wrapped in foam & thermo foil (trying in vain to keep the temp above 30!) &
    Its in the dark (my instructions recommended that levamisol is light sensitive)
    My poor fish would be wondering what the hell i'm trying to do to them.

    Feeling quite ignorant at this time. Lost my smallest one a few weeks back, and when I look back now I feel quite ashamed to call myself a hobbyist.
    He/she was my fav little guy and it hurt to lose him. I've a feeling now I know what the issue was, a fixable one.

    Brian have you any experience with levamisol or any thoughts on the philosophy of annual worming, regardless of asymptomatic fish ?

    (I'll copy & paste my response to Francis as well)
    Last edited by kerrie6703; 09-07-2020 at 07:30 AM.

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    I have an update on my situation with my babies.
    I had a diagnosis today of worms (more than one type) by my local aquarium. (A business i've been going to for years, I trust the owner completely .. he put the fishes faeces specimen I provided under the microscope and thats what he found).

    (I'm hoping this is the only condition that the fish have).

    So, given the discovery of this today, I've begun levamisol @ 1ml per 7litres dosage. (my local aquarium provided me with the dosage instructions).
    Sourced the levamisol from a pet stock store as my aquarium doesn't stock worming treatment marketed for birds & pigs.

    Also purchased praziquental, to be dosed the 2nd and 3rd weeks.
    Then finish off 4th week with another dose of levamisol.

    So, my tank is wrapped in foam & thermo foil (trying in vain to keep the temp above 30!) &
    Its in the dark (my instructions recommended that levamisol is light sensitive)
    My poor fish would be wondering what the hell i'm trying to do to them.

    Feeling quite ignorant at this time. Lost my smallest one a few weeks back, and when I look back now I feel quite ashamed to call myself a hobbyist.
    He/she was my fav little guy and it hurt to lose him. I've a feeling now I know what the issue was, a fixable one.

    (this is a copy of what I've sent to Brian)
    Last edited by kerrie6703; 09-07-2020 at 07:31 AM.

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    Just sharing....for treating parasites with Levamisole HCl. It is very similar to the treatment recommended by Dr. Yanong. Your mileage may vary.

    Determine the appropriate dosage for your tank.
    Treat with the lights off and increased aeration.
    Perform a largish water change prior to treatment. With my water supply I cannot do more than 50% without causing a tank crash so I don't do the 70-100% changes recommended.
    Treat once for 24 hours.
    Do a largish water change and vacuum to remove any paralyzed worms in the substrate.
    Return tank to normal lighting/feeding/cleaning cycle.
    Treat again in 5-7 days after a water change. If you know the parasite you are treating and its life cycle adjust the timing for the second treatment accordingly.
    Do another water change with gravel vacuum.
    Return to normal schedule.
    Treat a third time 1 - 2 weeks after your second treatment.
    Do another good vacuuming with water change and consider your treatment complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrie6703 View Post
    I have an update on my situation with my babies.
    I had a diagnosis today of worms (more than one type) by my local aquarium. (A business i've been going to for years, I trust the owner completely .. he put the fishes faeces specimen I provided under the microscope and thats what he found).

    (I'm hoping this is the only condition that the fish have).

    So, given the discovery of this today, I've begun levamisol @ 1ml per 7litres dosage. (my local aquarium provided me with the dosage instructions).
    Sourced the levamisol from a pet stock store as my aquarium doesn't stock worming treatment marketed for birds & pigs.

    Also purchased praziquental, to be dosed the 2nd and 3rd weeks.
    Then finish off 4th week with another dose of levamisol.

    So, my tank is wrapped in foam & thermo foil (trying in vain to keep the temp above 30!) &
    Its in the dark (my instructions recommended that levamisol is light sensitive)
    My poor fish would be wondering what the hell i'm trying to do to them.

    Feeling quite ignorant at this time. Lost my smallest one a few weeks back, and when I look back now I feel quite ashamed to call myself a hobbyist.
    He/she was my fav little guy and it hurt to lose him. I've a feeling now I know what the issue was, a fixable one.

    Brian have you any experience with levamisol or any thoughts on the philosophy of annual worming, regardless of asymptomatic fish ?

    (I'll copy & paste my response to Francis as well)
    Grasshopper
    Francis

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