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    I got six new discus last week and one of them died after two days. Another one has look like fin rot and swimming upside down or just staying in one corner whole day. Right now Im treating the whole tank with melafix and salt and its condition is worsening everyday. What else I can do to treat that fish. Somehow I am not able to upload picture of that fish.

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    Please fill out the disease questionnaire so we can help you further


    Problem

    1. Please explain the problems with your fish. When did you notice the problems and did anything unusual happen that you think started them?


    2. Symptoms (i.e. turning dark, excess slime, not eating, clamped fins, flashing, darting, clamped gills, white/yellow/green poop, hiding, headstanding or tailstanding, white on tips of fins, rotting or fungus, blisters/white zits on fish, bloated, cloudy eyes, wounds).


    3. What medications/ treatments have you already tried and what were the results. Include dosage and duration of treatment.



    Tank/Water

    4. Tank size and ages, numbers and sizes of fish.


    5. Water change regime (What percentage and how often).


    6. How long has tank been running? Is it bare bottom? If you have substrate, what type and how deep is it?


    7. Do you age your water? If you do for how long and what is the ph swing.


    8. What type/brand water conditioner do you use? Do you add it to the tank or aging barrel? How much do you use?


    9. Parameters and water source;


    Note: Water Parameters are important in diagnosing problems within a tank. If you don't own test kits for the following information, you can purchase them, test your parameters and post this info as soon as possible.



    - temp _____

    - ph _____

    - ammonia reading ____

    - nitrite reading ____

    - nitrate reading ____

    What type of water or combinations of water sources do you use? If it is an RO/tap/well water mix, please list percentages in the mix.

    - well water ____

    - municipal water ____

    - RO water ____


    10. Any new fish, plants or inverts added recently.


    11. Please tell us what you feed your fish and how often. This can be critical information for solving the problem so be as specific as you can.



    12. Include any pictures or videos you have which shows the symptoms. If you can't add them to this post, please provide a link to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shan_Evolved View Post
    Please fill out the disease questionnaire so we can help you further
    Hello these are the parameters below

    Problem

    1. Please explain the problems with your fish. When did you notice the problems and did anything unusual happen that you think started
    I got this fish with 5 other fish on last thursday and arrived with tail and fin damaged but on subsequent days its condition get worse and worse
    I acquired as a group of 6 last Thursday. This one had little fish damage on arrival but subsequent days it gets worst for this fish
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    Symptoms (i.e. turning dark, excess slime, not eating, clamped fins, flashing, darting, clamped gills, white/yellow/green poop, hiding, headstanding or tailstanding, white on tips of fins, rotting or fungus, blisters/white zits on fish, bloated, cloudy eyes, wounds).

    hiding most of time rotten on tail and fins
    no fish has started eating yet. most of the time they hide. that fish is rotting tail and headstanding some time

    3. What medications/ treatments have you already tried and what were the results. Include dosage and duration of treatment.

    right now I am treating whole tank with salt and melafix as per the directions

    Tank/Water

    4. Tank size and ages, numbers and sizes of fish.

    tank size is 120 gallons and set up 4 months before 5 discus all in one batch 8 tetras
    5. Water change regime (What percentage and how often).

    usually 20 percent weekly
    6. How long has tank been running? Is it bare bottom? If you have substrate, what type and how deep is it?

    its bare bottom and 4 months running
    7. Do you age your water? If you do for how long and what is the ph swing.
    I water change straight from tap with prime ph is between 6.8 to 7

    8. What type/brand water conditioner do you use? Do you add it to the tank or aging barrel? How much do you use?
    prime after straight from tap

    9. Parameters and water source;


    Note: Water Parameters are important in diagnosing problems within a tank. If you don't own test kits for the following information, you can purchase them, test your parameters and post this info as soon as possible.



    - temp _82____

    - ph __6.8 to 7___

    - ammonia reading __0__

    - nitrite reading _less then 5___

    - nitrate reading _10___

    What type of water or combinations of water sources do you use? If it is an RO/tap/well water mix, please list percentages in the mix.

    - well water ____

    - municipal water 100____

    - RO water ____


    10. Any new fish, plants or inverts added recently.

    no
    11. Please tell us what you feed your fish and how often. This can be critical information for solving the problem so be as specific as you can.

    They have not started eating yet. I tried frozen beefheart and live brineshrimp

    12. Include any pictures or videos you have which shows the symptoms. If you can't add them to this post, please provide a link to them.


    So please help me
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    Some things that catch my attention-

    20% water changes weekly seem way to little. Then again you have 120 gallons of water for 6 discus so it may not be completely the fault.

    Also you should not be having any nitrites whatsoever. If youre doing only 20% water changes a week and still getting slight nitrites there is an issue with your cycle. Perhaps the increased bioload let to a minicycle.

    As far as getting them to eat, raising the temperature and live black worms tends to get a good result along with espom salt.

    I'm not as experienced as the pros on this forum, so you may want to wait till they chime in.

    Somethings that will definitely help us out are pictures and videos of your fish and tank. You can access the site on your mobile and upload photos straight from your phone
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    20 percent water change was before I added discuss to my tank last thursday now I am doing 20 percent twice a week moreover that fish came in with damaged fin and tail but its condition get worse every day, now it just lay down most of the time. Hope this will explain the situation

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    Some questions come to mind. I am sorry that you are having this experience.

    1. Did you get the discus locally? It seems that they were sick/stressed when you bought them. High quality water + high quality discus make a much better chance of discus success.
    2. You will get a cycle stress anytime you add new fish to the existing tank. The exception would be if you are doing a fishless cycling setup. This probably accounts for the nitrite indication.
    3. Even in a cycled tank, I would be aiming for 100% total WC weekly minimal. I personally would go with 150% even if I had adult discus. That would be 30% WC 5x a week.

    Some pictures would help the experienced on the forum assist you quicker and more accurately.

    Quote Originally Posted by npaul65 View Post
    20 percent water change was before I added discuss to my tank last thursday now I am doing 20 percent twice a week moreover that fish came in with damaged fin and tail but its condition get worse every day, now it just lay down most of the time. Hope this will explain the situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by fljones3 View Post
    Some questions come to mind. I am sorry that you are having this experience.

    1. Did you get the discus locally? It seems that they were sick/stressed when you bought them. High quality water + high quality discus make a much better chance of discus success.
    2. You will get a cycle stress anytime you add new fish to the existing tank. The exception would be if you are doing a fishless cycling setup. This probably accounts for the nitrite indication.
    3. Even in a cycled tank, I would be aiming for 100% total WC weekly minimal. I personally would go with 150% even if I had adult discus. That would be 30% WC 5x a week.

    Some pictures would help the experienced on the forum assist you quicker and more accurately.
    I got discuss from one of the top breeder in whole usa hoping that I would get healthiest discuss and I pay premium price for them but unfortunately two of them came in with torn fins and tails which I was not happy at all. I think little spike in nitrite is due to adding all adult discus one time. They even not started eating yet. I tried frozen beef heart and live brineshrimp. I already attached picture of sick dicus to my thread I dont know why its not showing to other members. Is there any medicine I can treat the whole tank. Right now I am treating tank with melafix and salt.

    thanks

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    You wrote you have nitrites "less then 5"... What do you mean there? You should have them 0.1 ppm (or mg/liter if you want) or less.

    Was the tank empty before you bring discus there? Or some snails at least?

    Because the problem can be in the nitrites then.

    Another possible issues -- thermal or acid shock during transport. pH is also quite high. Maybe CO2 can help to lower the pH a bit. What's your water hardness?

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    Hello

    Less then 5 means it was close to yellow on api test which is zero mine was little orange tinted so I thought its less then 5. Before I introduced discus as a group there was 10 tetras and two plecos which hide all day and i check they don't bother discus at all. Regarding ph is 6.8 to 7 is high? As I asked the breeder and he said its fine. What is a thermal shock btw. And no snails

    Hope this will give you more information to help me.

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    No the ph is fine. You will have to up the water changes. As stated 30-50% daily. New fish are stressed and need clean water. Raise the temp to 86-88. Instead of the picture of the phone pic send up pics from the phone. Just download direct from phone. Also Whois this great seller?

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    Did you have the fish shipped? How did you acclimate them before putting them in your tank? The fin damage looks similar to ammonia burns which can happen if you acclimate by adding tank water to bags after shipping. Ammonia toxicity can also reduce in death...

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    Just a note. The reason why so many questions are being asked is because, in general, they all bear on the advice given. If its ammonia burns then that is one remedy. If its poor quality discus, that's another. I just don't want you getting frustrated. The more information given the better. Think of it as going to the cancer specialist. Lots of testing. Lots of questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danotaylor View Post
    Did you have the fish shipped? How did you acclimate them before putting them in your tank? The fin damage looks similar to ammonia burns which can happen if you acclimate by adding tank water to bags after shipping. Ammonia toxicity can also reduce in death...
    Yes the fish were shipped. I acclimate them putting some tank water in fish bag for 15 minutes then put fishes in the tank. When I show pictures to the breeder he too said its ammonia burn and treat with some salt and this is what I am doing. However my ammonia is zero I just checked it so how is ammonia burn possible?

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    That is what breeder said that its ammonia burn but my ammonia is zero then how ammonia burn happened. What is remedy for ammonia burn since that fish is only lying on the bottom now.

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    When fish are shipped overnight they are fasted for 24 hours prior to shipping. This is so the fish do not poop in the bag making the water dirty. However the fish pee in the bag and this makes the ph in the bag drop into a ph below 7. Remember the fish also generate ammonia and the lower ph in the bag renders the ammonia harmless. When you get the bag, open it and expose the bag water to air this allows the ph to raise and the ammonia becomes toxic and burns the fins. Also discus handle a rise in ph much better then a decease.


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    Quote Originally Posted by npaul65 View Post
    Yes the fish were shipped. I acclimate them putting some tank water in fish bag for 15 minutes then put fishes in the tank. When I show pictures to the breeder he too said its ammonia burn and treat with some salt and this is what I am doing. However my ammonia is zero I just checked it so how is ammonia burn possible?
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