German and Asian

[Iminit]

Well I’ve done it in both my tanks. Fish were qt for over a month both times with 1 opposite fish added. Both tanks are doing good as of now. First tank was over a year ago. 2 from uncle sams added to Hans and store bought. Second tank is explained in this thread. So it will work. Got to say the store bought I would say would have held the most problems and the Hans were fine when added. So with quarantine for me it’s worked. Next the Hans fish just grow faster and seem so much stronger. When I added the Kenny’s to the new tank the reds were the biggest but Hans fish are growing bigger. B4D4A94E-D7C2-41B7-A91C-058321A4CCE6.jpg

[glyn]

Perhaps not all of the Stendker information is marketing. Here in the UK we have a slightly different perspective on the Stendker versus Asian-sourced discus debate.

Firstly, there was a real problem, historically, here in the UK, with Asian-sourced discus being often liable to carry disease. Thankfully, this is much less of a problem, and we now have some ace Asian discus suppliers, but memories do remain...

Secondly, Stendker discus are acclimatised to harder water than most Asian-sourced discus are accustomed to. This is an important issue here in the UK. Some of the less-populated parts of the UK [eg., Scotland, Cornwall/Devon, etc] have very soft water, ideal for Asian-sourced or wild discus. However, much of the highly-populated parts of the UK [most of the SE, London, etc] have very hard water. My tap water, for example, comes off the pure chalk hills of the South Downs. [No, I don't know why these hills are called "Downs"; I walk on them most weeks and they seem to be more ups than downs.]

Thirdly, there has often been a problem with many local fish shops in the UK carrying a few, rather disconsolate-looking discus. [It still happens.] Stendker, by contrast, have sold to the UK through specialist discus suppliers that have kept to high standards.

Consequently, many serious UK discus keepers tend to think carefully about this particular issue. Yes, there may be some element of marketing hyperbole in Stendker's information, but the European versus Asian-sourced discus distinction has some merit still here in the UK...

Of course, whether German-sourced discus will now be more expensive as a result of the wretched Brexit fiasco is another issue. Better not to go there at the moment :-(

[captainandy]

You sound like you work for Stendker.
This thread has come to focus on whether or not to mix

[glyn]

You sound like you work for Stendker.
This thread has come to focus on whether or not to mix

[1] No, I'm a retired teacher who's never worked for any aquatic firm, ever. [They do look to be a firm worth working for though, and, of course, German workers are treated much more equitably than those in either the UK or the US...]

[2] The thread started out commenting on how far Stendker's information could be viewed through the prism of "just marketing". Still, interesting reaction to my first post on this forum.

[peewee1]

I would agree. Welcome to the forum. Hopefully you will continue to ask and learn as you would hope for any student to do. In the meantime perhaps choose to ignore those who seem pompous.

[Iminit]

Lol. I’m not sure what German workers have to do with this thread . To me if you buy from the professional breeders they can be mixed. Done the correct way as described in this thread it can be done. Hans discus Kenny’s discus and Uncle Sams Discus have all worked for me. So with all the different variations these sellers offer I will stick with them. Earlier in this thread 2 members had problems with a breeder who’s fish seems to have cause the mixing problem. Both mixed with Hans and the Hans died. So I would not recommend mixing Hans with that breeder . Those as far as I remember were the only breeders mentioned.

[Willie]

Perhaps not all of the Stendker information is marketing....Better not to go there at the moment :-(

Interesting comment and a welcomed perspective.

However, the problem I have with Stendker marketing is the underlying racism. There are very high quality Asian discus and very poor quality ones. Their suggestion is that nothing from Asia should be mixed with Stendkers.

Let's turn this around. If the Asians were to recommend against Stendker discus because there's some garbage coming out of eastern Europe, would that be equally acceptable?

[Iminit]

Lol Willie you hit the nail on the head!! Be great if you could just like a comment or add a thumbs up .

Next question if German workers were mixed with an Asian work force or UK or US would they struggle and die off? food for thought.

[klr-dude]

what you could do is send them an e-mail , tell them you have 20 asian discus in your show tank but want to buy 10 full size discus see what they say !
hehehe !

[glyn]

I would agree. Welcome to the forum. Hopefully you will continue to ask and learn as you would hope for any student to do. In the meantime perhaps choose to ignore those who seem pompous.

Thanks for the welcome - much appreciated! :-)

[peewee1]

Thanks for the welcome - much appreciated! :-)

I have traveled in the UK. What general area are you?

[glyn]

I have traveled in the UK. What general area are you?

West Sussex, near the English Channel - I'm between the South Downs and the sea. Despite it being relatively crowded, it's a good walking area, with some useful aquatic shops within driving distance.

[tacks]

Glyn Welcome to the form Ed

[peewee1]

West Sussex, near the English Channel - I'm between the South Downs and the sea. Despite it being relatively crowded, it's a good walking area, with some useful aquatic shops within driving distance.

I traveled from London to Dover to the east of you. From there to Brussels. Dover, white cliffs as they are called, are chalk based as well. What discus do you keep?

[glyn]

I'm what could be described as "between discus" at the moment. Currently I have a 500-litre soft coral marine tank. However, my other half has always preferred discus, and I still hanker after the discus tank I used to have. No pics remaining of that, unfortunately, although here's a pic of my present set-up:


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Despite being retired, this kind of tank does hoover up a great deal of my time. Thus, I'm pondering a return to the relative simplicity of a large discus tank, especially since the supply of good-quality discus to the UK is much-improved with places like Devotedly Discus and Chen's Discus not too far away.