Angels Angels who has Angels...

[brewmaster15]

Once upon A time there was a discus guy that got into Angelfish.. and omg what a mistake that was! That discus guy was me...and I bred alot of them. I was literally using garbage cans in my garage to grow out fry. I had silvers, marbled,albino pearlscale, wild scalare , wild crosses and of course Altums. Even had discus raise my angel fry. I was over run with them and sent them to many friends... its been years but I am curious if anyone still has any of them or their offspring?

Im also curious if any one is breeding angels here and what you are working on. I'm finding myself toying with getting a tank of angels again. Its been years.

[seanyuki]

Just sharing….. F2 Rio Atabapo Altum Angelfish produced by Discus America in our Altum Angelfish breeding facility in Las Vegas NV.
Discus America is the largest Altum Angelfish breeder in United States and the only place you can find tank bred F2 Rio Atabapo Altum Angelfish, currently in Las Vegas Tap water at 7.9ph and 410tds. Few groups of 6 and 10 will be added to our website Sunday night and it will be ready to ship Tuesday and Wednesday.

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[LizStreithorst]

I"m the same as you with them, Al. It's too easy to get overrun since they breed like crazy, even when I cut the odds of success by only parent-raising. I'm tempted from time to time, but I've learned my lesson. Angels or Discus, not both. And now that I'm getting Discus spawning again, I even plan not to breed rams after this last batch is gone.

[Willie]

Liz, there's a simple solution. I keep Manacapurus and altums. If they were to spawn for me, I'm sure I'll find a solution.

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Both groups came from Tangled Up In Cichlids two years ago. The Manacapurus (wild caught P. scalare) have the golden brown shoulders and grow huge, although not as big as the altums.

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Despite what the literature/Internet may suggest, these fish do much better with high aeration. So they're always kept in a tank with a wavemaker.

[seanyuki]

Nice angels Willie, saw in an advertisement F2 Rio Atabapo Altum Angelfish 6 for US $400.

[Pardal]

Al
I'm guilty of that although in my case is the reverse . I was an Angels guy until I move to full discus around 2005 or so, today I still have some 3 breeding pairs that I letting the eggs go , as I don't want to end up with hundreds of angels again and have a hard time to get a home for them. They are two pairs o blue/silver and a Paraiba and black . 161E4E2E-4421-466D-AB47-B9CFB24BE553.jpeg9F8FD71D-F265-4BE3-8FE1-0568E115C567.jpegB413A160-7FD5-4DB8-91D1-6B7364192067.jpeg

[Pardal]

Liz, there's a simple solution. I keep Manacapurus and altums. If they were to spawn for me, I'm sure I'll find a solution.

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Both groups came from Tangled Up In Cichlids two years ago. The Manacapurus (wild caught P. scalare) have the golden brown shoulders and grow huge, although not as big as the altums.

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Despite what the literature/Internet may suggest, these fish do much better with high aeration. So they're always kept in a tank with a wavemaker.

Beautiful Angels.

[brewmaster15]

Willie, you are not helping.. lol. Really nice tank of Angels !

Julian those are really nice pairs. And that is problem isnt it... finding a home for the fry when there are hundreds each spawn.my LFS when we had LFS near us would take a handful at a time for literally nothing. I was out checking out shops this past week looking to see what was out there for fish in general... was surprised to see quarter size domestic angels for $20 a piece....

[Discus Fever]

Oh boy this subject comes at a good time, my wife just asked me the other day if I was going to get back into angels again. I remember drop shipping these things in the early 90's where at the time myself and angels plus were the only 2 doing it full time back then. Back then I had over 100 tanks full of angels and I agree with everyone else they take over quickly and not easy to sell them as fast as they breed. I must admit if I was to get a tank of angels again they would be the Altums. If I could get reliable sources to buy a good amount of angels every week or two I would get back into them again. Until then I will have to take a pass on them right now.

[Charlyc11]

I am not breeding Rams already only a few left in my tanks. Also ABN's but wound up with a bach by mistake.

I"m the same as you with them, Al. It's too easy to get overrun since they breed like crazy, even when I cut the odds of success by only parent-raising. I'm tempted from time to time, but I've learned my lesson. Angels or Discus, not both. And now that I'm getting Discus spawning again, I even plan not to breed rams after this last batch is gone.

[brewmaster15]

I am not breeding Rams already only a few left in my tanks. Also ABN's but wound up with a bach by mistake.

Kinda of funny.. you guys get out of Rams and I have blacks,golds, dutch blue and wild Rams that I am planning on breeding. I also plan on getting bolivian rams .

[Charlyc11]

You have to much time on your hands. But that's a good thing keep it up Al those tiny fry are a nightmare to keep alive.

[LGelb]

Liz, do you have black ram pairs available

[Willie]

The issues with angels, actually with breeding just about any fish, is not how many you can spawn, but how many you can sell. So I try to spawn only strains that sell themselves. I have been struggling for the past 5 years to spawn high quality kois.

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...Like I said, it's a struggle.

[Pardal]

Willie, you are not helping.. lol. Really nice tank of Angels !

Julian those are really nice pairs. And that is problem isnt it... finding a home for the fry when there are hundreds each spawn.my LFS when we had LFS near us would take a handful at a time for literally nothing. I was out checking out shops this past week looking to see what was out there for fish in general... was surprised to see quarter size domestic angels for $20 a piece....

Yes Al , here in North Florida last time I checked was $30 for Adults in the independent LFS , the chain stores you don't see them that much just smallest dime body which are $ 9.99 so is about the same.