Thanks Pat. I see their faults but overall I think they are much above average.
Mom is being picked on in the community tank. The grow 4" grow outs have no problem with her. The original pair of my breeding are mean to her. Now that I think of it I tried to pair her with the original male and he wasn't nice to her in the breeding tank either. So much for Cliff's suggestion of pairing her with him. I may have to do some moving around of Discus to keep the peace. I don't want Al's female to be stressed. She really needs a break. Although there aren't hundreds of fry they always preferred her because she was able to get darker. Now that she's no longer together with her kids they are grazing off dad but also hunting BBS more than they were.