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    Quote Originally Posted by Contrarian View Post
    In my mind, this appears to be a swim bladder recovery issue at this point. Any advice?
    I agree that it appears the swim bladder has deflated. Recovery, if its possible, is lengthy. I dont recommend trying things like slings, if thats where you were going, as those cause more harm than good. Most important is keeping the bottom and sides of the tank as clean as possible. You dont want him laying in sludges of bacteria. Aquarium salt at 1 tbs per 10G can help some. Even as high as 4tbs per 10G. You can run antibiotics after breaks of a week to 10 days but i dont think its a good idea to wipe out the beneficial bacteria like that. It also kills gut bacteria which you dont want. So mainly just keeping water changes and wiping down the glass is the best medicine.

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    Great, sound advice Tammy. TY.

    He is trying so hard! It's hard to tell at times what is recovery vs. plateauing because it feels metaphorically like I'm performing triage from behind a curtain. I point this out because without the members of SD.com I'd have lost this fish 2 weeks ago. Thank you From the bottom of my ❤️!!
    After 4 days with 50-60% h20 changes I'm hoping to have removed any remaining medication & placed an established sponge filter in the hospital tank. It's from my 50 gal sump that is with my main tank.
    Considering what I've shared about the fish & the latest videos posted of the fish recovers to have swim bladder functionality & neutral bouyancy how long does everyone think it will take?
    I'd like to know when & how i know this is permanent? My guess is to let this play out thru the end of February & I'll come back to this forum to seek consensus.
    Last edited by Contrarian; 02-02-2023 at 01:33 PM.

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    It can take some time, even months, to recover if it recovers at all. I've read that you can possibly inject air directly into the swim bladder using a syringe. Whether this will be a permanent solution just depends on the fish. I would do some additional research on this procedure.

    As an experiment, I would be tempted to add 1 or 2 cap fulls of hydrogen peroxide for every 10g every other day for a few days. I certainly wouldn't hurt anything and the extra o2 may at least relieve some stress.

    I would also try adding 3TBS salt per 10g every other water change, adding back the amount of salt removed during the water changes to not go over 3TBS per 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablos View Post
    You said it was an overdose. Might I asked how much did you add excel into your tank?

    Multiple times I was adding double dose of excel with no side effect or issue for a fish
    I essentially completed a double dose which never hurt the Discus previously. However, I ran out of RO/DI h20 during my weekly water change causing me to not be able to run my filters. I had added the excel which ended up being a higher then double dose initially bcse it only mixed with the show tank & not the extra h20 I still needed to add & the 50 gal in the sump. I figured it would be okay temporarily & attended a virtual meeting for work. When I returned roughly 45 min later was to seeing all of the Discus at the surface gasping along with their slime coat turning white & beg. to shed off. Considering how I did this is also a big factor as I don't think it was the amount that overdosed as much as a perfect storm of conditions that led to this IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeep View Post
    It can take some time, even months, to recover if it recovers at all. I've read that you can possibly inject air directly into the swim bladder using a syringe. Whether this will be a permanent solution just depends on the fish. I would do some additional research on this procedure.

    As an experiment, I would be tempted to add 1 or 2 cap fulls of hydrogen peroxide for every 10g every other day for a few days. I certainly wouldn't hurt anything and the extra o2 may at least relieve some stress.

    I would also try adding 3TBS salt per 10g every other water change, adding back the amount of salt removed during the water changes to not go over 3TBS per 10.
    How would one "inject" into the swim bladder? I'm afraid of piercing the wrong organ so I'd likely seek the guidance of a seasoned traveler. Do you think 2 capfuls of h202 will do anything? What are you thinking it will do essentially?
    Would a temp salt bath be more effective then adding a lower amount in the tank?

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    I've used peroxide when a shipment goes bad and the discus are laying on the bottom for a few days. The o2 levels increased and they recovered but I don't remember if the bladder appeared to be deflated and it could have just been shock or ammonia poisoning. I know it's not the same issue but possibly the increased o2 in the bloodstream may have an effect. Just shot in the dark and it won't hurt anything...

    I didn't read back to see how much salt you're using, but some time ago we had a member with tail standing issues. By alternating levels of sodium chloride up and down, the discus recovered, possibly by increasing/decreasing the osmotic pressure in the discus? The difference is these discus were poisoned with an overdose of flubendazole. Another shot in the dark with something that won't hurt the fish.

    I would be afraid of piercing my discus as well, which is why I would search the internet for the procedure and then decide if you want to try it. I would never feel comfortable telling someone to do something this intricate, or give instructions, that I haven't done before.

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